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Category:German abbesses
- Propose merging Category:German abbesses to Category:German nuns
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
CommentOppose. I was indifferent. My inclination would be to upmerge Category:German Christian abbesses to Category:German abbesses , but I don't feel strongly about it. However, now that I've looked closer, I've realized that there were several other categories in here. I've reverted the changes where Marco placed Category:10th-century German abbesses, Category:11th-century German abbesses into German Christian abbesses. Mason (talk) 18:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)- That does not make sense. All German abbesses of these centuries were abbesses of Christian monasteries. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think that you weren't transparent that you moved the categories deeper into the tree. You could have argued that the categories overlap, which is a reasonable argument. However that's not what you nominated here; you said that the category was a redundant. The category is called Category:11th-century German abbesses, not Category:11th-century German Christian abbesses. Mason (talk) 00:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- That does not make sense. All German abbesses of these centuries were abbesses of Christian monasteries. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:53, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Keep now that it has been correctly repopulated. See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_16#Early_abbots_by_century dealing with the same underlying issue ("they were all Christian"). Perhaps a better nomination would be to upmerge the by-century triple-intersection subcats e.g. Category:11th-century German abbesses to 11th-century abbesses, 11th-century German nuns, and German Roman Catholic abbesses where not already in a more specific subcat. Note that Template:Abbesses by nationality and century category header would then become obsolete. – Fayenatic London 11:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Free compilers and interpreters
- Propose deleting Category:Compilers and interpreters
- Propose splitting Category:Free compilers and interpreters to Category:Free and open source compilers and Category:Free and open source interpreters
- Nominator's rationale: Category:Compilers and interpreters is basically a hybrid of Category:Compilers and Category:Interpreters (computing). The overwhelming majority of articles only fit in one category, and the few that don't can be in both categories. Category:Free compilers and interpreters should be split into two new categories for the same reason. I also propose adding "open source" to the names of the new categories, since that's what the current category is being used for, and just "free" is vague. Zerbu 💬 13:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question: with this proposal, what should happen with the six articles that are currently in Category:Compilers and interpreters? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:53, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- They'd probably go into one of the parent categories, Category:Compilers or Category:Interpreters (computing). Although, judging by a quick skim through the articles, they appear to all be compilers with no mention of any interpreters, so I don't know how it's supposed to be different from Category:Compilers. Zerbu 💬 17:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, so that will be a merge instead of deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- They'd probably go into one of the parent categories, Category:Compilers or Category:Interpreters (computing). Although, judging by a quick skim through the articles, they appear to all be compilers with no mention of any interpreters, so I don't know how it's supposed to be different from Category:Compilers. Zerbu 💬 17:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Split Category:Free compilers and interpreters per nom, or else rename to Category:Free programming language implementations or similar. I think Category:Foos and Bars titles should be avoided whenever possible. They lead to issues like this one:Why is Category:Compilers and interpreters a subcategory of Category:Compilers and of Category:Interpreters (computing)? That's completely backwards! Its handful of direct members are already in the appropriate subcategories of Category:Programming tools, and we're splitting its sole subcategory; I don't see any reason to merge instead of delete. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on jlwoodwa's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- I guess we all agree that the categories are redundant. The only question I had was about 6 left-over articles, they apparently need to be moved to compilers. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bantu
- Propose renaming Category:Bantu to Category:?
- Nominator's rationale: Bantu does not have a primary topic so a better title for this category should be used. Maybe Bantu (culture)? Open to suggestions. Gonnym (talk) 13:57, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Downmerge to Category:Bantu peoples, everything Bantu must refer to these peoples. But add a special sort key to the articles and subcategories so that they will appear on top, before all individual peoples. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:45, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on downmerging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:47, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:MP's for High Peak
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: speedy rename. – Fayenatic London 12:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: For consistency with similar categories such as Category:Members of the Parliament of the United Kingdom for Derby. Dave.Dunford (talk) 17:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Thanks. Is it worth me withdrawing and renominating or shall I let it take its course? The guidelines for renaming a Wikipedia category (which I've not done before) are not clear. Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Better just let it takes its course now. Fortunately, discussions here at full CfD are closed much quicker now than in the past. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Thanks. Is it worth me withdrawing and renominating or shall I let it take its course? The guidelines for renaming a Wikipedia category (which I've not done before) are not clear. Dave.Dunford (talk) 09:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:List of gangs in Belgium
- Convert Category:List of gangs in Belgium to article List of gangs in Belgium
- Nominator's rationale: Please advise if this is the wrong way to handle it when discovering a list article that was created in category space. DB1729talk 17:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. I think this is a perfectly reasonable, and creative use of CFD. Mason (talk) 00:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Milliegom I also think it should be converted yeah , thats completly true. 19:25 15/10/2024 CET — Preceding unsigned comment added by Milliegom (talk • contribs) 17:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Bohemian royal saints
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- The result of the discussion was: Already Deleted. (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:48, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Self-requested deletion of empty category Векочел (talk) 15:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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Category:City of Albany, Western Australia
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Mason (talk) 00:49, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:City of Albany, Western Australia to Category:City of Albany
- Nominator's rationale: Bring in line with the parent article, City of Albany. Calistemon (talk) 15:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Withdraw, just noticed that this was rejected in March 2021 (Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 11) after previously being proposed by me. Calistemon (talk) 15:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:Nazi war crimes against children
- Propose renaming Category:Nazi war crimes against children to Category:Nazi crimes against children
- Nominator's rationale: I suggest removing "war" from the title. I recently wrote Nazi crimes against children and I did not notice the term war crime used often. Some items discussed in my article, like Child euthanasia in Nazi Germany. Now, we could argue that the current category is a subcat of the one I propose, but I am not sure if the sources really support existence of both, and if splitting Nazi war crimes against children from Nazi crimes against children makes much sense. To make things more confusing, category wise, Child euthanasia in Nazi Germany (article), a concept which predates WWII, is a child of the nominated category through the Children in the Holocaust intermedia category. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support, not that I think a name change is necessary, but I'm fine with it if you want to match the article title to it. AHI-3000 (talk) 06:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Arrowverse character redirects
- Nominator's rationale: Covers the same scope, no need to have two cats. The "redirects to lists" cat is the primary one auto generated by redirect templates and is used more often. There was agreement that both are not needed in this discussion from three years ago, though no movement was made then. Trailblazer101 (talk) 03:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, seems trivial, all subcategories are already named "to lists". Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Current justices of the Supreme Court of the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Categorizing "current" officials separately is not a useful thing to do, as explained in very extensive previous CfD discussions. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 03:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support delete per nom. Mason (talk) 21:08, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Wikipedia pages with colour accessibility problems
- Nominator's rationale: How is this page different from Category:Wikipedia articles with colour accessibility problems. The template might need to be fixed. {{cleanup colors}} Mason (talk) 01:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think we should merge it the other way instead, since all articles are pages and not all pages are articles. The pages category includes templates. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 02:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Either merge and create a separate templates category, or reverse merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- My preference is to merge and create a templates category. @SomeoneDreaming created the new category "pages" without any discussion. (So even if the name stays, we should merge and then rename back to preserve the edit history). A separate templates category would be fine with me. Mason (talk) 21:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. I have no concern about which direction the merge happens, but "pages" is the appropriate final name as color issues can happen in articles, templates, categories, files, modules, and perhaps elsewhere. I don't see any advantages to splitting those into separate catagories. Thisisnotatest (talk) 21:37, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Slavery by war
- Propose merging Category:Slavery by war to Category:Slavery during wars
- Nominator's rationale: The contents of this category seem to be related to wars about slavery rather than a category that breaks down Slavery by individual wars Mason (talk) 01:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I meant to keep this category separate from Category:Slavery during wars to keep the supercategory more focused on the subject of wartime slavery in general. AHI-3000 (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and purge, large overlapping. Purge Category:American Civil War, this is not about slavery. Even if one of the primary causes of the war was slavery, the category is about war. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Pages with accessibility problems
- Nominator's rationale: Redundant to Category:Accessibility issue tracking categories (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Accessibility_issue_tracking_categories) SomeoneDreaming (talk) 01:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. This should be merged to Category:Accessibility issue tracking categories, otherwise the child category will be isolated. Mason (talk) 01:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per Mason. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or Merge. It appears that deleting would do no harm, as the one subcategory Category:Wikipedia pages with colour accessibility problems appears on both Category:Pages with accessibility problems and Category:Accessibility issue tracking categories. If I am mistaken, then merging would definitely avoid harm. Thisisnotatest (talk) 21:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Category:Noblewomen in the Holy Roman Empire
- Nominator's rationale: This was opposed at speedy. C2C: parent is Nobility of the Holy Roman Empire and the norm is of, instead of from. (I'm equally fine with Noblewomen from the Holy Roman Empire) Mason (talk) 01:28, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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- Pinging contributor @Johnpacklambert:Mason (talk) 01:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Prefer "from", that is the most often used. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Happy to have it be 'from'. Mason (talk) 21:02, 13 October 2024 (UTC)