Talk:Outlaw Star

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This anime may offend some viewers by presenting heroes who are meant to be sympathetic but who would be considered objectionable by both old-fashioned European chivalry and more recent American feminism.

really isn't true. Outlaw Star is no different from Firefly, Cowboy Bebop or Han Solo in that regard. I've never heard a word of objection to the show on that point. It's called the anti-hero. RADICALBENDER★ 15:54, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Removed text about banned episode

I removed the following text from the article. It rambles and was attached to the first paragraph, where it doesn't belong. However, it may be of interest if reinserted elsewhere. —Triskaideka 03:23, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Although Episode 23 Hot Springs Planet Tenrei was banned from airing on Cartoon Network due to Nudity issues (Because the FCC dictates that any nude scene or a scene that might be too revealing towards women is forbidden to air on TV) caused by too many scenes that were too revealing that would have made it too difficult to edit out and also part of the plot was also with Gene being a bit of a dirty lech who was ordered to get dirty footage of a woman in order to some special Caster Shells. The only downside to this that on Cartoon Network that Special Caster Shells magically appeared when Cartoon Network first aired Episode 24 with no explanition on how Gene got them. This episode though is currently only availible on DVD

I changed 'DVD only' to include VHS, as I recently bought the complete series on VHS and it includes the episode (actually, it's the cover image and title of one of the volumes).MardukZero 04:02, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

To the person who deleted my previous article

Thanks to you I made a shorter much more simple article which I put below the Opening and Endings in its own section if you don't want it there you can move it where you want it.

It looks good to me there. Thank you. —Triskaideka 14:09, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Certainly a lot was wrong with that.. the 'fuck' was vandalism.. and the FCC has nothing to do with cable programming..

The FCC indeed does not have any jurisdiction regarding cable television, as evidinced by comedy central's Secret stash block and AZN's airing of various anime's (Record of lodoss war, Patlabor etc.) unedited. however the parent companies of most cable networks are leery of crossing lines set down by the FCC for fear of aleinating advertisers.

Dates

Would be ggod to have dates made and first aired in Japan and elsewhere. Also dates of release of VHS/DVD. Rich Farmbrough 00:09, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Censored or Uncensored?

Althought the majority of Outlaw Star programming on Cartoon Network was censored at times they would let foul language such as damn or hell slip through the cracks. This was also true for some of the other anime programming shown on CN.

While the censors did let some language through in most cases it was actually toning down of much stronger language, alot of times when it says damn or hell in the aired versions it'll say shit or fuck on the uncensored DvD. Also there were numerous scenes taken out in multiple episodes (genes interactions with whores, hilda, pretty much every woman he had any signifigant contact with) and don't even get me started on Fred Lou, in the uncencored version his sexual orientation comes off ALOT stronger, if you can believe that. Overall what was originally aired on Toonami and later adult swim was not nearly so adult in nature as how the creators originally intended.

quote

i'm a fan of this anime, but that quote section is crap.

The quotes section definitely has no purpose in this article. The quotes don't make much sense taken out of context like they are. Is there any explaination as to why those specific quotes belong in the article? --TheKoG 01:07, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Characters

At the beginning, "The main characters of the show mostly follow generic anime stereotypes, including the ice-cold swordswoman and the catgirl." This is quite biased, no? Consider it removed.--71.112.234.168 06:47, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Especially since I've actually yet to see an "ice-cold swordswoman" pop up as an actual stereotype in anime, and "catgirl" isn't a stereotype so much it's a common anthropomorphic theme in character designs - a cliche design, I suppose, but it's hardly a stereotype, I think. "Cat girls" have ranged from the innocent to the not-so-innocent, from the slightly chicken and very girlish (Tokyo Mew-Mew), to the robotic (Nuku-Nuku), to the violent (Aisha from this anime). It's a style of visual design, not character archetype, which the person who wrote that sentence seems to have confused with "stereotype", among other things. 4.235.69.102 05:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Edited the descriptions for Melfina, Harry MacDougal, Professor Gwen Khan, Hanmyo and Iraga as well as tweaking the description for the Galactic Leyline. Made the character descriptions more clearer. The major upgrade I'd say would be to that of Melfina's description. Added more about her personality and other information that was presented in the anime or inferred.

OAV

I changed OAV to OVA. OAV means Original Adult Video, which is not what the writer meant to say, obviously.

To the vast majority of anime fans, OAV and OVA are interchangable, and both are used by distributors to mean the same. It's either Original Animated Video or Original Video Animation.

Huh? I've never once seen a Japanese company (or a US company for that matter) use the term OAV. They all use OVA.

I've seen many an anime fan or anime magazine (including professional publications) use either. In English they really would be pretty much the same, believe it or not; I've never even heard of this "Original Adult Video" meaning, at least in terms of anime. However, since they're used interchangeably, I see no real problem with it being changed, so long as it's kept consistent within the article. Runa27 00:13, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Hawking

Is there any influence on Jim's name from Stephen Hawking? I didn't want to insert in myself, as it might be original research. --King of All the Franks 18:05, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing that would back that up that I'm aware of. Eluchil 01:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

It is possible. There is also Ron and Harry MacDougall, similar to the main characters of the Harry Potter book series. The writers are well read, or this is a very unlikely coincidence.

I think Jim Hawking is named after the protagonist in Treasure Island, named Jim Hawkiins.

I"m pretty sure Outlaw Star pre-dates Harry Potter, plus I"m sure of all the names to reference in the world, a Japanese man would reference an England author's secondary characters.

Second season

It says the second season was released to 45 people. This isn't true is it? I think it needs a source. --Zeno McDohl 02:01, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

If it is I wanna kill myself, this being one of my favorite anime's, but why would they produce an entire second season and then not even sell the DVD's? Even if the show was pulled you'd think they'd try to make back the production costs on DVD sales. --DevilDude 04-06-06 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.168.103 (talk • contribs)

I do not believe there is a second season of "Outlaw Star". There is, however, a spinoff series (which crosses over with it a little) called "Angel Links", which is mentioned in the article. ("Angel Links", if I'm to judge by the reviews I read back when it came out, wasn't nearly as good as OS, but was OK.) 4.235.69.102 05:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I have been doing a search for a second season so far there is mention of outlaw star 2: retaliation and an ova called sword of wind. Of course all websites mentioning them are dated back to 2002 i believe if there is any truth to this it should be sought out and mentioned on the page 4:50, 24 April 2007.

When I get time --SRussellN 01:35, 26 June 2007 When I get time, I'll upload all the old information, and pics I have about the "second season", which isn't much other than the fan-service pictures released on the original Outlaw Star page, but I believe it needs to be included and documented.

Angel Links

I changed Angel Links from an OVA series to a television series; it was broadcast. CFLeon 00:21, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

If any body has any idea of a second season of outlaw star or a second manga PLEASE tell me about it i love that show

Character Clean-up

I've tried to clean-up the character listing to be somewhat more pleasing with the breaks. I also edited Fred's entry; the entry included a fairly blaitant opinion which I felt was unwarrented. Even with CN's toning down the gay aspects of his character, I still got the implication when I saw it. CFLeon 21:53, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

best collection

Is Outlaw Star: Complete Collection the most complete and 'best' English collection currently available? I feel it would be very beneficial to give the title of the 'best' collection, just as ISBN numbers are often given for books. Many visitors interested in Outlaw Star would find this information very very helpful. 4.89.247.203 00:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Why not ask Amazon? --Zeno McDohl 14:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Manga

Information about the manga version of Outlaw Star is very lacking in this article. It says "Outlaw Star takes the characters from the original manga but has a completely different story.", but nowhere in the article is there any information about how the manga and anime stories differ. 71.203.209.0 18:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I concur. I am a fan of this anime, and I would like to know if there is an English verison of the manga, or even a scanlation. If there isn't, then I'll accept at least a description of the manga. Wikifan42 23:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no English version of the Outlaw Star manga series, though it was rumored that Viz Media was going to release them at one point. I actually do have 3 of the Japanese manga though and yes, it does differ greatly from the show. Honestly I can't read the manga since I don't know Japanese, but from what I can tell it seems to be the overall same plot though. As for a description of the manga, the best I can do is just name a few things off the top of my that are different: They don't get the Outlaw Star in space but right there in Sentinel 3, Gene is the one that kills Hilda after they fight and she cuts off his arm, Melfina seems very attracted to Gene and acts much differently from the anime, Melfina also seems to have a clone or something that appears later, there is much more nudity and sexual scenes, and some characters and objects look different from the anime as well.(By the way, I'm thinking of selling them on eBay sometime, so if anyone wants to buy...they're pretty rare now.) Link's Awakening 01:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

here is a link to a page that has a short summary of the manga plot. its only seems ti be the first few chapter though. http://www.ex.org/5.6/40-mangaj_outlawstar.html

if someone could just re-type that or something, that would be helpful.

Trivia Additions

The two following paragraphs were added to the trivia section:

"In the ending credits, there are art renditions of mysterious girls who have absolutely no relevence to any part in the story (with the exception of what appears to be Melfina at the last art rendition in endings of episodes 14-26). This issue has left many fans confused and furthermore with it's lack of debate."

"The Munchausen Drive that powers FTL travel in the series makes reference to Baron Munchausen, the subject of a wide variety of fantastic tall tales, including going to the moon and riding on cannonballs."

I don't think either should be in the article. The first is a bit biased, in my opinion, mainly due to the last sentence (which is gramatically correct, either).

As for the second piece of triva, there is no proof that the information is true, and no source was provided.

I am removing the first one, due to it being very gramatically incorrect and non-factual to a certain extent, but I'll leave the second one for now. Please discuss both.

Miles Blues 03:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The thing about Munchausen seems very likely to me, considering the ship also has Newton reactors, which are obviously a reference to Isaac Newton. That the Munchausen engines, which allow space ships to travel at improbable speeds, would be named after a famous fictional character who did improbable things, seems perfectly logical and is probably true. I mean, the name Munchausen isn't exactly common, so when it's used, it typically refers to the Baron.

SRussellN 01:25, 27 June 2007

I removed the following paragraph:

"In the first episode, Melfina is introduced coming out of a suitcase type container. This is referenced and homaged in the Joss Whedon show Firefly, where River also appears in the same exact manner."

for reasons that Joss Whedon when confronted on the many similarities between Outlaw Star and Firefly, he constantly states that he has not seen either Cowboy Bebop, nor Outlaw Star. This being so, I doubt the homage/reference. I do, however, see probably too much into the similarities between the shows.

Cleanup

This user has accused me of gutting the article with my edits, by I ask the editors to consider what I did versus what this user did.

This user said I added duplicate information to the Characters section but, as I understand it, the Main template indicates the section is a summary of the Main article it links to. All I did was copy relevant information. This user duplicated information, too, and its doing was worse. As you can see, the plot section duplicates the lead section and there's a link to the episodes list when there's already one in the infobox. Hey, I copied from another article, 70.248.7.14 copied from this one.

If what I did was add info, where did the gutting happen, you ask? I cut the Trivia section, as there was nothing worth saving, and the list of ships, which was just plain silly to begin with. I also organized "Alien Races," "Planets" and the "Galactic Leyline" under a "Setting" section, which this user seems to have undone. 70.248.7.14 also uses an image of what characters look like for a few minutes in the last episode, now that's just wrong.

So, there you have it. I believe this version of the article is better than the one we now have. And, for all I know, this user might be an experienced wiki-editor who just forgot to log-in so I won't question what it did.--Nohansen 15:02, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

• You removed whole sections of the articles (the plot section that also contained a link to the episodes page). You removed parts of the races sections, you removed all information about the other ships in the series among other things. You also for some reason removed the trivia section, all the external links and all the tags of the article. You also at the same time copied over information from the character pages that didn't need to be in the main article. The whole point of the characters article was to remove that stuff from the main article. If you compare the changes you gutted almost half of the article with no justification for why you did it. The whole point is if you are going to be doing such massive changes you might want to consult others in the discussion page before you just up and delete half the content of the article. That's why there is a discussion page in the first place. If others agree that your major changes, then I'll relent.