Talk:MSN Hotmail

Number of Visitors

I erased that Hotmail serves millions of people worldwide and thousands of people everyday, cause , like, how do WE know those numbers? Besides, the site doesnt have any numbers of users listed, such as Airliners.net does. Antonio Sexoloco Martin

According to alexa.com, 25% of all web traffic is to msn.com, and 75% of all msn.com traffic is to hotmail.msn.com, meaning that about 19% of all web traffic is to hotmail. (By comparison about 12% of all web traffic is to Yahoo! Mail). I think numbers in the millions has got to be right. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 10:50, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)--Kbh3rd 04:09, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a little less than 0.2%, and there were 6 million "visits" in February 2004 according to Webalizer. Extrapolating, Hotmail probably has something like 600 million visits. Google with 16% of traffic claims to serve 6000 million searches per month - so presumably a visit is longer than a single search. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 11:10, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

How many accounts got upgraded

discussion copied from Talk:Yahoo! Mail

"An e-mail war between Yahoo!, Microsoft, and Google" How is Microsoft into this war ? Any references ? Jay 12:11, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Several websites have been reporting that Hotmail has already given free 25 MB quota upgrades to some of its free users: [1] [2] [3] [4] -- Vesta 13:10, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Has any hotmail user moved upto 25MB ? My e-mail address has 25 MB. Or any official statement by Microsoft or Hotmail that says there is an upgrade ? I think the contents of the articles are just the views of some authors, and maybe there's nothing official thats happening. Jay 13:32, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

That is a good point.. I'll reword the sentence in the article in a minute. See if those changes are somewhat more accurate. :) -- Vesta 16:46, 23 Jun 2004 (UTC)

UPDATE: Microsoft confirmed that the quota is going up (250 MB) in the fall. It's listed directly on Hotmail.com. -- Vesta 03:56, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Outlook

I'm deleting the Outlook Express instruction on the grounds that Wikipedia is not a how-to manual as well as the fact that a) the instructions will change over time as the program changes, and b) the version that these instructions are for is nowhere stated. --Kbh3rd 04:09, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Storage

Hotmail offers its members 250MB of free e-mail storage, be it used for sent or received e-mail.

False? I've had my hotmail account for almost 6 years now (since late 1998) and I still have the old 2MB of space. Furthermore, every single person I know who has a Hotmail account, be it old or new, has still the same 2MB.

However a large number of those with accounts predating this offer still have only 2MB storage.

Not accurate. I tried opening a new Hotmail account, and guess what... still 2MB. So, for post-offer accounts it's also 2MB. How can this be? Could that 250MB thing be just a lie? I've fixed the article, but maybe that line should be deleted and replaced by "offers its members 2MB of free e-mail storage...". --Fibonacci 03:29, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The reason I put in the line about a large number of users... is that I know of one singular person who has received their 250MB update. My 1999 era account is still 2MB as well Kiand 07:16, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I just noticed that my account was finally upgraded to 250MB today; took em long enough. Now my daily spam wont take so much room.--Lucky13pjn 01:28, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Hotmail gives the 250MB upgrade after you've been using it for 30 days. 86.146.210.99 23:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)Umar

Third world countries account not upgraded

I have two email accounts, one is one year old, showing UK as my country. Other is showing a third world country(more then two years old). The account which showed UK got upgraded!. It is not coincidence my other friend had very same experience with his two accounts. I had to change the country because similar policy used by microsoft earlier regarding games. If you chose a third world country they say "Games are temporarily not available" and when u change the country signout close and signin again games start to work. (I found this fix from a website) But if you change the country, capacity doesn't increase Perhaps it checks earlier country selected which registering with hotmail. (if you don't believe me make two new accounts one with US and other with Pakistan you'll find the difference). Zain 09:55, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I had an account set up with Argentina as my country, changed it to US/New York and within 2 days i had 250MB. Same process worked for other people. hboregio 04:30, 03 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mine just upgraded this week (on wed 17 May 2006),beat that.so much 4 equality.--Adaobi 12:33, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Look like I live in third world country. I will create a new account and give country USA. and I will get 250 MB space! (25MB in start and 250 MB after one month). By the way you can give gmail.com a try. 1 GB space. or yahoo.com 250 MB. Zain 20:21, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

My account with Ireland hasn't been upgraded above 2MB. These most certainly aren't third-world countries. Ireland, and probably other countries are richer than the US on an actual cash-in-pocket basis, both are definately richer than the UK on the same basis. So its not "Third-world countries" they're ignoring, its countries that don't give MSN lots of money. Ironically MSN.ie opened up around a few months ago, and Microsoft are considering moving even more employees to Ireland.... Kiand 22:50, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

UK and US are working for sure. Just give it a try and make a new account. may be it will give you an idea. Zain 22:59, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't see the use in lying and changing my mail adress to get more storage. I may as well just change my mail adress and use GMail. Which I already have, the Hotmail account is a legacy only.Kiand 23:02, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well it is not 'lying' it is testing ;-) I mean you can first 'test' it by giving UK then you can 'correct' it by ireland :-D. Any way It was my experience on hotmail. That they give different facilities depending on the country which you select. But I need more confirmations to put this 'bais' in the main article. Zain 23:06, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

User agreement

This page alleges that according to Hotmail's user agreement, everything you send through Hotmail becomes property of Microsoft. If that is true, then the fact should be included in this article. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 16:32, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

MSN Terms of Use It could be #6. Daleliop1 02:30, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

POP3

I can still use my Outlook for checking mail, and its April 6th. Then again its still early in april

Just received this email today:

Recently, Hotmail® announced that in order to improve customer experience and reduce spam and junk e-mail abuse on MSN® services, Hotmail will no longer allow new e-mail accounts to be accessed via Microsoft® Office Outlook® and Outlook Express.

We are pleased to inform you that because you are an existing and valued customer, at this time your current Hotmail and MSN account(s) are exempt from this restriction and you will be able to continue enjoying access to those accounts from Outlook or Outlook Express. However, any new Hotmail or MSN accounts you create will not be accessible via Outlook or Outlook Express.

Seems only new accounts are cut off. This makes sense since anybody who still has an account presumably has been using them for legitimate purposes and therefore deserves to keep the service.--Will2k 02:23, Apr 14, 2005 (UTC)

I remember when one could check a POP3 email from Hotmail... that is a feature that used to exist, and disappeared after Microsoft bought Hotmail. -Unknown

"Dogfood" edit

"It is an embarrassment to Microsoft that even after 6 years of Hotmail being under it's umbrella, critical parts of Hotmail services are not running Microsoft's own products - defying Microsoft's own mantra of eating its own dog food [5]." - Not only is the tone of this sentence overly hostile and POV, the link explicitly states that the "dogfood" mantra applies only to pre-release and beta software, which Hotmail certainly is not. Removed. -Simon Crowley 07:50, 25 July 2005 (UTC).

As of Nov 06, 2005 - Hotmail in Mountain View, California 'Development Team' is hiring Solaris [6] experts for it's Hotmail property - meaning that there is large critical components in Hotmail running Solaris.

"Kahuna" - new Hotmail

Found an interesting video [7] today. It is quite long and there is lots of juicy information on the new Hotmail codenamed, "Kahuna". If anyone wants to gather notes from the video please feel free to do so and put it in the article. -- Thorpe ^talk 22:30, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

USA-centric storage size mentioned

Why is maximum size of a hotmail mailbox mentioned as 250Mb in the usa before the real (world-wide) avaible storage space? I just created a new account and I only have 5Mb! I believe the world should come first and then the USA.

The topic Storage should read something like:

Hotmail only offers 5 MB of free e-mail storage, in contrast to the 2.5 Gb storage space of Google's Gmail. However for residents of the USA the size was increased after the introduction of Google's Gmail. There is a 10 MB attachment limit. It has been reported that MSN may soon offer 2 GB of free e-mail storage to members [7]. At present, customers can pay a fee to receive 2 GB of storage and 20 MB attachments.

Also the reference to hotmail from the Gmail page should also reflect the real storage space. -Unknown

Old/legacy Hotmail site/software

Does anyone have a cache or more information on the old Hotmail site? I remember I had a few thousand mails, collected while I was travelling the world - correspondence with people I have long since forgotten.

I was about to download all my mail so I can keep it in an archive. When Microsoft took over the site, first they changed the nice, neat, clean, clutter-free layout. Put in Ad's. Soon the Hotmail site became so slow, I could not use it anymore.

Then my account got so spammed, and then Microsoft deleted my account, and all my contacts and emails, before I could archive anything. Interesting to note, the original Hotmail had a lot in common with today's GMail - in it's simplicity. I am just terribly disappointed in Microsofts TERRIBLE planning in taking over the site. I am sure they angered a lot of people! But what do they care, they can do anything, right?!

Anyways, Just curious, and for interests sake - it would be lovely to now reflect on how Hotmail was and operated in light of everything we have gotten used to today. So if anybody has any info, caches, links, do add it here! -Unknown

221 million users = 35.5%?

"As of new reports on 30th August 2005, Hotmail has the largest number of free web-mail users with 221 million users, or 35.5 percent of the world, according to comScore Media Metrix data." This seems suspect. I've removed it from now, but we need a source, and the bit about 35.5% needs to be clarified. Assuming the world has 6.5 billion people, that means 3.4%. I don't know what the total number of internet or webmail users is but it needs to be specified if that's what we're referring to. splintax ^(talk) 01:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC).

It's also unclear if they consider multiple users. I access my 5 hotmail accounts pretty regularly from the 3 different computers (with different IPs) that I work on; so it's likely comScore would count me more than once. -Unknown

Rumours talking about "soon" need dates

The Storage paragraph used to say:

"It has been rumored that MSN may soon offer 2 GB of free e-mail storage to members." [8].

But this is practically meaningless with zero context. Did that rumour start in 2001? Has it since been flatly denied? If this stayed in the article, it would become misleading over time. If someone can stick in a date, then it would have some value.

You forgot to remove a link, so I did it and I pasted it here. If you had taken the time to click, you would have found the answers to your question. CNET also reviewed the new Hotmail with 2gb on their site [9]. This is not only a rumor, it is true. As a result, I am adding this sentence back to the page. -Unknown

I hate Hotmail

Doesn't this link show bias? Also some of the information it links to is out of date - the forwarding problem in Hotmail has been fixed. Nico 22:22, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

How old is your Hotmail account?

Are there any ways to check how old your e-mail address is? Skimming through the hotmail tools and options, and checking around online has brought me zero help. If anyone knows how, please let us know! -Unknown

The only way I know of is by checking the date of the first email received, (if it hasn't been deleted), usually a welcome e-mail from MSN. --Niconc 19:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Mine is 11 years old almost. I got mine just after HoTMaiL went public and have had it ever since. I think I was in the first 100 users if memory serves correct. At 42 I'm getting feeble and my mind wobbles a tad. --Scott Grayban 17:55, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

You can see the date you registered by logging in at http://account.live.com. --Jskw 12:47, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Registered for Live, or for Hotmail? Tyciol 19:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm also another '96 registered user So knocking on the best part of 11 years. Tycol: That account page tells me when I signed up for my hotmail account (24th November 1996) (which now seems to be my live account too so I guess it depends on when you registerd? Neosophist 19:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Problems with FireFox

Hello I am a regular user of firefox. In the articl it is sead that hotmail gives problems with firefox. I dont have any problems with it. (except somethimes the retyping of the pasword to acces my account) what other (minor ? ore major) problems are reported to justify the fact that "hotmail does not support open source"? -OP

Hi, here is one noted problem against Hotmail supproting open source-"Hotmail's full features are not available on browsers other than Microsoft Internet Explorer. These features include a customised right-click context menu to make Hotmail function similar to Microsoft's Outlook mail clients." I hope this answers your question.--Greenunity

Hi greenutity, thanks for the answer. Are you speaking out of experience ? I just took the test, looking at my hotmail account in Internet Explorer and in Firefox, I dont see any difference. I dont find any right clix context menu, needer in IE ore in FF. -OP

Hi, no I'm not. I think though this applies to the versions of Hotmail that you pay a subscription for. So I would really like to here whether from a paying hotmail user whether FF problems do actually arise. I think that the information may also be out-dated, so I will look into that aswell. If a paying hotmail user doesn't have problems with FF, then I will change the article to make it more accurate.--Greenunity 07:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Criticism Section - move information about Hotmail running on non-M$ OSes and bug allowing anyone to access Hotmail accounts without a password

The information about Hotmail being run on Solaris and BSD, and suffering from a decrease in performance after switching to IIS, belongs in the Criticism section. In fact, most of the Miscellaneous information belongs in the Criticism section. In addition, I remember reading about a bug which allowed anyone to access any Hotmail account. Could someone help research information on this bug and insert the information in the Criticism section of the article? J.L.W.S. The Special One 07:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, it contains weasel sentence: "...Some users have suggested that Microsoft's customer care towards free users is poor...." inky 01:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Under miscellaneous section

"By 2002, the incoming SMTP services were transitioned off of the Solaris platform onto NT, requiring significantly more hardware to maintain the same mail receiving service." This needs citation. The implication of the statement is that only the operating software changed. However, more hardware could be needed for many reasons, including the ever increasing of SPAM. -A BSD user from Atlanta

Using Outlook Express

From [LN;878462 Microsoft Support]:

"MSN Hotmail no longer supports Distributed Authoring and Versioning (DAV) for free user accounts. Outlook Express uses the DAV interface to connect to Hotmail. Only paid Hotmail accounts will work correctly with Outlook Express. If you configured Outlook Express or Outlook to access your Hotmail account before DAV support was ended, you may still be able to use Outlook Express to open a free Hotmail account. However, eventually Hotmail will no longer support DAV for all free Hotmail accounts."

This could be useful for the article. TheUncleBob 15:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Account deletion

Another issue related to the 30-days required login period: cancellation. Last time I checked, there was no to explicitly and immediately cancel your account. The only recourse was to not log in for some period (90 days now, according to the article) and wait for your account to expire. Is this still the case? If so, it should be added. Pimlottc 05:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Safari

That bit about Safari is patent nonsense. It works fine on my brother's mac. -Unknown

Removed link

No idea why this was here.... [10] RN 16:46, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

hotmail.co.uk

What other countries are available other than .co.uk? -Unknown

Criticisms

Doesn't this page need criticism? It looks like they cutoff the access of hotmail through Outlook. I've had the account for at least a couple of years and this past weekend I was cut off. Several other users have reported same on Microsoft boards. -- Knapster2005 12:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Shure it needs criticism! Have you noticed, that their SSL certificate isn't valid and also outdated? -- mms 12:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Important missing info

What about all that spam saying that Hotmail will cost? -Unknown

That would be irrelevant in this article. It's just a trick that some stupid person came up with... Eliethesame 11:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Edits to this talk page by 204.15.8.5

Just wanted to point out that someone at 204.15.8.5 has been editing previous discussions on this and other talk pages: [11]. It looks to me like they are trying to remove all traces of the blocked User:ThomasK.

I have a free hotmail account...

Hhi everyone, I have a free hotmail account that i used to be able to sign online with, but now my parents got msn dial-up 8 and it won sign me in anymore, it says my account doesnt exist. does anyone know what i can do to fix this? -Unknown

Spam box gets valid emails

My hotmail account rarely gets spam, but even with spam settings at the lowest, I get people on my safelist sent to my junk e-mail box (even when I send to myself). Its pretty random but about half my email gets this problem. Anyone else get this? 134.121.179.87 21:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Defunct?

From article:

"If a free MSN Hotmail account is not accessed in a 30-day period, then it is temporarily deactivated (all messages deleted, although not the address book). The underlying Passport account, which is tied to the e-mail address, is not released back in to the address pool for 90 days. This allows the current owner to re-activate the e-mail portion of the account and keep the address before new users can register for it; however this is now defunct."

Defunct is a pretty biased an unexplanatory word, can someone explain what is defunct, how it is, and why, and so forth? Does it mean that it is not kept active for an additional 60 (90?) days past the expiration of 30day inactivity? Tyciol 19:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Delivery problems

This sounds more like one person's rant than a general problem. The source seems to be a blog, possibly even a personal blog. Should it really be here? 142.151.160.64 02:14, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

More references:

• Hotmail delivery problem on iis-aid.com
• Hotmail delivery problem on Smartertools
• Hotmail delivery problem on Gossamer-threads
• Hotmail delivery problem on Deftechgroup

Further: feel free to verify it. Send mail using your own smtp server (if your ISP allows you to) and check if it arrives. In my case it didn't, while an identical mail via my ISP's SMTP server did. Mail to all other recipients arrives fine. Also at least my ISP's news group the problem was discussed by several users.

Ergo: It seems a general problem. Didgeweb 05:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

My Mails working fine from 2 x SMTP servers to my MSN Hotmail account. Neosophist 19:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposal

As we now know that Hotmail is going to remain Hotmail, would it be an idea to merge Windows Live Hotmail into MSN Hotmail, with a paragraph describing the reason behind and new features of WL Hotmail, and in the intro a few lines saying MSN Hotmail will be turning into Windows Live Hotmail? This would be similar to what is done at Yahoo! Mail. The reason behind this is now that they are both called Hotmail, they are both technically the same program, about which we don't really need two articles. It's just a suggestion. --Niixdo 21:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no objections to that. Except I'd like to just correct that fact that "Windows Live Hotmail", although it is meant to replace MSN Hotmail, is a completely different program to MSN Hotmail. According to the team blog, they built Windows Live Hotmail from scratch. And yes I agree we should wait for a little longer - perhaps after it's out of beta, until we merge. Pikablu0530 00:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Leave them seperate. The live hotmail is totally different to the msn hotmail. If you do agree to merge them, at the very least, leave the merger until msn hotmail is rebranded - after beta symode09 07:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Beta is done. As of today, May 7, the old Hotmail is being superseded by Windows Live Hotmail, so I think it is about time that we merge these two articles together. Cumbiagermen 06:41, 8 May 2007 (UTC) Now that MSN Hotmail is officially Windows Live Hotmail, I think it's about time that we merge these two articles together. Cumbiagermen 06:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Despite the fact that they are both 'Hotmail', they are two very different services and trying to describe both in the same article I feel would be very difficult. However, I myself would like to see other people's opinions on this. Swanny92 08:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC) As I said in the MSN Hotmail 'Merge?' section, and has also been mentioned here, despite that MSN Hotmail will eventually be phased out, MSN Hotmail is completely different to Windows Live Hotmail. MSN Messenger and Windows Live Messenger are kept as separate articles, and therefore I think that these two should be kept separate as well. Also, it would be very difficult to try and describe the two separate services in the same article. Swanny92 09:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps we can keep both articles, but the default one where people go when they search "Hotmail" should be the Windows Live one, or perhaps a disambig page. Cumbiagermen 19:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I think that was what was going to happen eventually. Disambig pages are only for three or more articles with similar or same names, so have the Hotmail page redirect to Windows Live Hotmail, and I already put in a link to MSN Hotmail at the top, so that should be settled then. Swanny92 21:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Disagree, mainly because of the resons mentioned above. Eliethesame 07:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Disagree, because MSN hotmail is based on the original hotmail while Windows Live Hotmail was made form the ground up and was originaly going to be called Windows Live Mail tonyf12 20:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I disagree as well, the problem arises that Microsoft still offers Msn Hotmail as a differnet package to that of Windows Live Mail. Therefore, i believe that, until a complete merger, it should remain seperate; the way it is now.

I also disagree, they should not be merged. Another reason being that this would make for a very long article, and they're two very different services, as Swanny92 has said. Mrx9898 04:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

For the time being it makes sense for the articles to exist separately, but in the future a merge will be inevitable, as it has been reported that legacy Hotmail users will eventually switch over to Windows Live Hotmail, and so all traces of the legacy will be gone. At that time (around December of 2007 according to some), I think there should be either a) the merger, or b) that the main Hotmail article be that of Windows Live Hotmail (i.e. when people search "Hotmail" it takes them to the WLH article, not MSNH). Cumbiagermen 04:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I also disagree with the merge, just because all traces of the legacy service will be gone dosn't mean these two articles should be merged together. Windows Live Hotmail is superseeding the original and different (MSN)Hotmail Service, much in the same was as some automobiles that are based on the model they replace still retain seperate articles. Neosophist 19:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I say we merge, because the users of MSN Hotmail are being urged to upgrade to WL Hotmail.--Camelcast 18:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the point of keeping both articles, all the information on this page is already displayed on the Windows Live Hotmail page. Why have two different articles with the same information? There is an MSN Hotmail section on the Windows Live Hotmail page, that seems to be enough. I say merge when all accounts are finally upgraded. --Joowwww 11:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

A merge is inevitable as Windows Live Hotmail is completely replacing MSN Hotmail eventually (so it's not like the vehicle analogy, because those with old vehicles won't be forced to switch to the new model). However, as mentioned above that the main reason in keeping it is for a historical purpose, for example, if someone is doing some research on MSN Hotmail (not Windows Live Hotmail) and want to know its details and developments back then. If the two articles are merged it is important to keep the many relevant historical information on the MSN Hotmail article and expand the current History section in the Windows Live Hotmail article (I can see that many good information are actually missing on the Windows Live Hotmail article.) --Pikablu0530 08:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Agree Windows Live Hotmail is just a name change so I believe that all the content from the MSN article should be moved here! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Titan602 (talk • contribs) 16:39, 28 June 2007.

I Agree to. Hotmail has changed, so does wiki. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.242.217.14 (talk • contribs) 12:42, 30 June 2007.

Disagree. They are not the same programs. Sure one would log onto them from the same site, but that's about it. If one has an account from the days of the old MSN Hotmail they will be logged onto the old MSN Hotmail and if it's a newer account they will be logged onto the newer Windows Live Hotmail. They are separate and therefore there's no reason to have only one article between the two of them. Perhaps when one isn't even able to use the old MSN Hotmail anymore and is forced to use the newer Windows Live Hotmail, which is the only way I ever will, is when there should be a merger.
NewYork1956 07:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, they are two separate products. They are both distinguished from each other by the parent company Microsoft, they only share the single portion of the name "Hotmail". However I definitely would agree to Wikipedia being improved my adding polls for these sorts of discussions that require agree/disagree opinions.Nrlight 22:38, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I disagree, Windows live is not the same product and isnt a browser messenger as windows was

Comment - I think what we are discussing here is merging when MSN Hotmail is no longer available to anyone, i.e. all accounts have been upgraded, then MSN Hotmail will no longer exist, and would be suitable for a section on the WLH article instead of its own article with exactly the same information --Joowwww 09:25, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Picture in infobox

The MSN Hotmail login page has recently been updated now saying that MSN Hotmail is changing to Windows Live Hotmail. Should the picture be updated showing the new sign in page or leave it showing the "original" login page? Swanny92 08:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally i'd leave the original picture as that is / well was now the "norm" for a user using this service to see.

You could add the new picture sepeartly under a heading such as "phase out of MSN Hotmail" etc etc if you felt it necessary to add it. Neosophist 19:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)