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== ok, fine why is RS Wenocur not notable -- meets nearly all criteria.== Alfred Legrand (talk) 22:06, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Hello Gordonofcartoon! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Tyrenius 14:15, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Visual_arts#Infoart and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts/Infoart articles. Tyrenius 14:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome

I thought you might have a clue! Still, better to play it safe, I reckon. The arts could certainly do with some help... Tyrenius 23:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

George Hayter

Hello Gordon - I have an interest in the edits you did to the George Hayter page. Could you email me at personal email address redacted Thanks, Steve --Stevob19 23:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

The Special Barnstar
Thanks for help with InfoArt cleanup project Tyrenius 21:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Democide

Please do not edit the comments of others, even if you believe the statements in them to be false or misleading. Doing so is considered disruptive to the discussion and an ongoing pattern of such behavior may be grounds for a block. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 18:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not aware I had; I got involved in a messy cut-and-paste and must have lost something in the process. Sorry. You can see from my edit history that I don't do that kind of thing. I see where you mean, and have corrected it. Gordonofcartoon 20:27, 11 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Personal attack and warning template

You accused me at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#User:Iantresman of placing a "bogus" warning template. However, I do not see any guidelines for what is and isn't appropriate except for WP:COI. Clearly, Ian Tresman has a conflict of interest in editing articles on catastrophism and Velikovsky, so what's wrong with posting a warning to his talk page? Please respond on my talk page. --Mainstream astronomy 18:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know there was a specific template and thank you for showing one to me. There should be better descriptions for how to do this. I wasn't aware of any procedure for warning or that pointing out that someone is selling self-published pseudoscience is a conflict of interest can be construed as a "personal attack". Where I come from "hawking" is used synonymous with selling, but I researched it a bit and found some people do consider it to be denigrating. --20:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, misunderstanding, then: here (UK) it has a strong pejorative edge to it. Gordonofcartoon 22:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your previous comments. Here are the replacement warnings.[1] Just to make sure, he's also posted the information to a close Arbitration case.[2], other article talk pages,[3], the and even the Physics Project page,[4] I do feel that what should have been a simple warning, has turned into harassment. --Iantresman 23:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shape memory coupling

Thanks for fleshing this out a bit, I've removed the AfD and tagged it with a materials stub. Cheers! - superβεεcat  18:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Editing apologies

Thank you for your comment on discussion page re removing warning/information tags on Laura Vlasak Nolen and missing source information. Although it appears I made contribution to that article, I was merely replacing text which I had accidently deleted in my first Wikipedia page-creation outing, for an altogether different article. The text to which you refer/warn was created and edited by someone else -- I only restored the original text. Thank you in any case for your note, which I will bear in mind when I create future pages.

DYK

Updated DYK query On 20 July, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Aspergum, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Yomanganitalk 12:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graham Ovenden

Hi - there's lots of references via Google, but I can't find a really authoritative reference, so will leave your revert.Tony 13:58, 23 July 2007 (UTC)Tony[reply]

Your e-mail

Hi. In reply to your e-mail of August 16, I am afraid I cannot do anything since you did not suggest any specific action to take. In the event of any future problems, please use WP:DR or post on WP:AIV, WP:AN3, WP:ANI, WP:SSP etc. as appropriate. Also, I prefer communicating on-Wikipedia unless private information is involved. Thanks. Sandstein 18:37, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's not terrifically helpful. I asked you, in your admin capacity (with information that was private because it a) was personal opinion and b) can only be verified by CHECKUSER) to monitor a dispute and a user where there are long-standing contentious editing issues (like a long-term breach of the WP:AGF guideline). Isn't that what admins are for? Gordonofcartoon 23:41, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Salamis Island

I cleaned up the article a bit. I would rate the article at mid-importance. However, if you feel that it should remain at low-importance, then go ahead and maintain that standard. Deucalionite 19:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Mid looks good. Sorry to bother you with it, but I thought it should be rated independently rather than by an anon who doesn't seem to be very objective. Gordonofcartoon 20:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Salamis

I'm not sure what can be done if they wont protect the page, but I'll continue to keep an eye on these articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vlaze (talk • contribs) 13:56, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Thx. I guess they really need someone who can read Greek to cleanup and source them. As you see, the latest is from 85.75.8.242 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). He/she has added a sourced infobox, but the main texts are still unreferenced and at the level of "It is a nice place with the beaches next to the pine-trees and make an interesting combination". Gordonofcartoon 14:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think he might be back as User:DCBMSNB See Ampelakia page and other pages: Special:Contributions/DCBMSNB El Greco (talk · contribs) 17:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sneaky with it: brief visit as anon 'bad hand' to remove the merge tags, then back as registered user to continue editing. Gordonofcartoon 18:50, 4 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Now he's User:Dsjgfwutvgeyxg U, who just vandalized my user page as well as vandalize all the Salamis pages. El Greco (talk · contribs) 16:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pearce

Hi,

If you wish, you may consider the line obiter dicta. The consensus was clear in any event. Best wishes, Xoloz 15:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

'The consensus was clear in any event
It was, but I thought the conclusion was supposed to be based on quality of argument, not majority vote. Of the Keep votes, one was an unsupported assertion, and three were based on the same misunderstanding about the ODNB. Gordonofcartoon 16:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The view of majority was not a misunderstanding of the ODNB -- it was an understanding different from yours, perfectly consistent with policy and logic. Your view is not compelled by policy, and was in the minority of one. Hence, the result. My concession to you that you need not consider my extra sentence binding in any sense was simply an effort to avoid needlessly semantic games. The argument and the numbers of your opponents were both superior in that debate; under the circumstances, no other closure of the AfD was reasonably possible. It is to your advantage to accept this truth. Best wishes, Xoloz 19:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Indo-Aryan Origin of the Jats

Thanks so much for your suggestion about putting the article on "Request for Comment" - something I had never tried before and didn't know how to do. I have done so now and am waiting to see what sort of response may follow. Cheers, John Hill 10:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Parodies of Harry Potter

As far as I'm aware it's called being bold. I feel the approach that best encourages progress is to do something proactively, then if anyone has disagreements, to discuss them properly in the awareness that the onus is on me to sort out any issues that arise, and/or be responsible for putting it back the way it was if consensus decides I was wrong. Asking for consensus before doing anything engenders bureacracy, which Wikipedia tries to avoid. The only thing that requires consensus before change is policy. I'll be delighted to take part in any talk-page discussions which crop up, and I have already ensured that the redirects and WPHP banners are appropriately updated. If there's anthing I've missed I will, of course, be anxious to put it right. Happy-melon 20:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I'm aware it's called being bold
True, but that needs to be tempered by thinking through what effects that might have. Main trouble is, List of Harry Potter parodies already exists, and it was convenient to have this overview and some separate articles for major ones - Trotter, Grotter, Wizard People, and Henry Potty and the Pet Rock etc - because merging the whole lot, in full detail, would make far too long an article. Gordonofcartoon 21:04, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it does, and of course it did. I am aware of the existence of the list, my first thought was to merge them all in there. Having decided, as you note, that that would produce too long an article, I chose the title "Parodies of Harry Potter" as a suitable substitute. By redirecting the old articles to the individual sections of the new article, no readability is lost. One thing I have forgotten, which I will correct now, is to place a "see also List of Harry Potter parodies" on the new page. Henry Potty was overlooked in my search for parodies, or it would have been merged also. I will now hold for any comments from WP:HP, but if no objections arise I will merge that also, as well as complete the alteration of internal links. Happy-melon 21:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:PKIOPADDE

Gordonofcartoon I am not a sockpuppet. Why you misjudge me ? Please answer to me . - unsigned comment by PKIOPADDE (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Answered at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Float954. Gordonofcartoon 13:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nigel Balchin

I see Tyrenius added info on citation at the top of this page. Anyhow, a reply is available back at my Talk page. Rgrds, Ian Cairns 02:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It doesn't cover the point I mentioned, though. I know how to multiply cite; I just wondered if there was some way to indicate a primary reference that's used throughout. Gordonofcartoon 02:45, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Now covers the point.... Ian Cairns 08:47, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

GordonofKhartoum

Thanks, Gordon. Your comments about Horrobin are appreciated, and your acknowledgement of my non-sockpuppetry! Smiles Brigantian 14:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

King Kong Appears in Edo

RE: Yakofujimato's comment about why this film has to be a hoax (one of many that don't amount to much) - "The suspicious cast listing also includes bizzare, almost comical descriptions such as 'The Hunchback', 'Boy in Soy Sauce Shop' and 'Man in charcoal shop'".

I found this - Oshidori utagassen, thought you'd like to see it, especially as you commented on the character names. Maybe that one's a hoax as well? Pufnstuf 04:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review

You recently commented on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Psychiatric abuse, which was closed as delete. The article has been nominated for a deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 October 5#Psychiatric abuse. Please feel free to comment on the decision there - as a contributor to the original AfD, your input would be welcomed. -- ChrisO 09:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Art extraordinary AFD

AfD nomination of Art extraordinary

An article that you have been involved in editing, Art extraordinary, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Art extraordinary. Thank you. BTfromLA 22:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Gordonofcartoon 01:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Maitreya Project Revert

Gordon, you just reverted my changes to the Maitreya Project page. Now I am really confused. I am accused of bias and therefore, in good faith, remove the content I have posted on this article, and then you, an accuser, revert my deletions so that the supposed biased content is visible again. Can you please explain? I am tempted to undo this revert and remind you of the three-revert rule policy page if you are tempted to persist, however i'd like to discuss it first.

Simmonstony 22:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I reverted it because there was no consensus to blank most of the article as you did, and with the conflict of interest issues under discussion at WP:COI/N, you should not be making major edits to it. Gordonofcartoon 23:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The general consensus was that the content i added was biased, so i removed that. I fail to see problem there.
The problem is that you should not be doing it yourself. Gordonofcartoon 23:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Gordon. Just for the record, and not trying to upset you at all, I just wanted to point out the following from Wikipedias COI page:
"Editors who may have a conflict of interest are allowed to make certain kinds of non-controversial edits, such as: 4) Reverting or removing their own COI edits. Cleaning up your own mess is allowed and encouraged."
Simmonstony 11:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. This is a relatively new addition to the guidelines [5] that I was unaware of. I generally just read WP:COI/N. Gordonofcartoon 12:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Massachusetts State Police

Good luck trying to deal with those two. They'll just revert you constantly without discussing. SashaCall 22:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure they will. But now it's on the table at WP:COI/N and more editors are getting involved, such behaviour will likely end up in blocks. Gordonofcartoon 22:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I added another IP adress used only to edit the page, and an account used to harass me after I got involved. It might take some more time to grab all of the IPs used just to edit that page, plus the Boston Police Department article. SashaCall 22:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Gordon,

I just wrote a similar note on Sasha's page. I wanted to apologize to you both for being immature, and stupid. I am relatively new to wikipedia, however that is by no means an excuse for my actions. I not understand how serious this place truly is, and will work to improve it, not make it worse. You have my word that I will 1. learn the fair use rule, 2. never revert without discussing, 3. never personally attack/harass another editor, 4. Never create unencyclopedic sections of articles. Finally, I will never edit from my IPs, or another username. Once again Gordon, I was immature, and dumb, and it will never happen again. (I have removed the irrelevant pictures I took and some of the unencyclopedic sections of the article) This apology is sincere.

Regards, Ryser915 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryser915 (talk • contribs) 07:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apology accepted! The verifiability guidelines here look at first rather heavy and pointless, but when you get into it, you find that they're the only way to make Wikipedia content reliable when anyone can edit. It does mean, unfortunately, that we often can't use material that's perfectly true (which I'm sure is the case with your additions to Massachusetts State Police). But it's a necessary downside when no-one can check the reliability of personal knowledge. Gordonofcartoon 13:23, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hayter-Bazaine (on the wings of a dove)

Could this be of use to you ?
Lunarian (talk) 23:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

for the heads up. Bearian (talk) 14:55, 27 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Amen to that

Your post on conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Moneybomb. — Athaenara ✉ 01:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to John, I really hope that he will drop the legalistic wankery and settle down to be a productive user, but if his behavior on other sites is any indication, that is unlikely to happen. Hopefully he will adjust to the our policies, but I expect this to end in AN/I eventually. Burzmali 01:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Frances Lynn

I think AfD is the most pragmatic solution. I would have proposed it myself, but I try very hard not to do that when I am helping the author. However, this one proved to be unable to understand the help. Perhaps someone will pick it up and turn it into a decent article, but I favour userfication here as the outcome since it is pretty obviously a vanity page. Fiddle Faddle 09:13, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thx. I agree with you about userfying. Quite commonly newcomers, especially ones with some celebrity, feel affronted that their own authority on statements isn't automatically accepted. It sometimes works to explain that Wikipedia's open editing means Wikipedia has to work on authority of source rather than authority from identity. But as you say... Gordonofcartoon 13:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Civility reminder

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Unnecessary obscenity is offensive to many people.

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Thank you. Discussion rather than prejudgment is preferred. John J. Bulten 22:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Assumption of good faith applies only to the point when bad faith has been adequately demonstrated. You were blocked for disruptive editing and breach of WP:POINT.
As I said before, the best advice is that you drop any assumptions you might have that playing the system via technicalities of the rules works here. It may work in Scrabble or getting breaks under the US tax code. But here a quasi-legal approach - gaming the system in ways such as trying to alter the underlying rules to permit inclusion of some content - is viewed as wikilawyering, and will not get you the result you want.
And that includes trying to invoke procedure for trivial violations of policy as counter-attacks against those who have warned you for far worse long-running disruption.
Treat the above as the clear and specific explanation you want of why you were blocked. Gordonofcartoon 01:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I am unable to treat your explanation as clear and specific because it does not cite specific edits nor demonstrate how the edits match your description. Since you brought it up, WP:AGF says: "Even if bad faith is evident, do not act uncivilly yourself in return, or attack others or lose your cool over it. It is not necessary to be a fanatic yourself. Even though it demands a lot of self control and patience, it is ultimately a lot easier for others to resolve a dispute and see who is breaching policies, if one side is clearly editing appropriately throughout .... Making unwarranted accusations of bad faith (as opposed to explanations of good faith) can be inflammatory, and is often unhelpful in a dispute. If bad faith motives are alleged without clear evidence that others' editing is in fact based upon bad faith, it can also count as a form of personal attack, and in it, the user accusing such claim is not assuming good faith." I still politely await that warrant and evidence.
I am unable to treat your explanation as clear and specific because it does not cite specific edits nor demonstrate how the edits match your description.
That's because you're making a category error. You're demanding an answer in terms like (say) "Bulten's misconduct is a breach of WP:NOR subsection iia in the discussion as unfinished for reasons unknown between User:Testew and User:Cunard in October 2007". That is not where the misconduct lies: the misconduct is your trying to conduct discussion in such obfuscatory and quasi-legal terms. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop adding unreferenced controversial biographical content to articles or any other Wikipedia page. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Accusing me of forgetting my block falls under several categories, but most notably this one, which also applies to talk pages and permits removal of contentious unsourced talk. John J. Bulten (talk) 21:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong. Saying you forgot your block was assuming good faith; it would have been bad faith to assume you deliberately chose not to mention it. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 23:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Percy Grainger

Hi Gordonofcartoon, It’s not that I doubt the accuracy of Percy Grainger’s idiosyncrasies’s, but the claim that any person is a white supremist in any Wikipedia article should have at least one citation. I would say that each paragraph needs at least one in text citation, especially because of the very bizarre subject matter. If all these facts can be found in Bird, I suggest that they be cited to Notes and references 4. It would be much better however if secondary sources could also be added to strengthen the section. Cheers, --S.dedalus (talk) 22:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Mifepristone (Bruce Rusty Lang, MD)

Hello Gordon, I appreciate your input, suggestions, and editing help. I'm a novice Wikipedia contributor. I've posted some basic info about myself at my User page, FYI. You mentioned "conflict of interest" regarding my posting on RU-486. Again, I appreciate your critique, and any advise or help. Thanks! Dr. B. R. Lang (talk) 07:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I can help except to point you toward the departments handling this kind of thing. The issue is that the Wikipedia conflict of interest guidelines (see WP:COI) strongly discourage creating articles about yourself and adding material connected to your own direct financial/corporate/professional interests. With the latter, it's especially the case if there's any perception of promoting a viewpoint and/or introducing it into the article with undue weight (i.e. occupying more of the article than its importance merits). You're doing the right thing to raise it at Talk:Mifepristone and allow other editors to assess it. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 21:08, 15 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Times obituaries

Hi, I was intrigued by your comment here that the subject "didn't merit a Times obit". Is there an index of Times obituaries online? Or do you happen to have one handy (on CD-rom or some such)? (What I wouldn't give to have such a resource!) --Paularblaster (talk) 20:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately it depends where you are. In the UK, many public libraries give online home access to subscriber reference databases just on use of your library card number as password. Here (Exeter area) we get all these, including the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography and the Times digital archive (full-text search from 1785-1985). Gordonofcartoon (talk) 21:01, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, how I envy you! --Paularblaster (talk) 21:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If you ever want anything specific checked out, let me know. Gordonofcartoon (talk) 23:42, 18 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that's very kind. --Paularblaster (talk) 00:18, 19 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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