Talk:American Idol season 7

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Carly Smithson/Hennessy Situation

Do you think this controversy should be mentioned? It's gotten quite a bit of attention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.130.212.136 (talk) 01:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Revision

I made several changes to the article and improved the way it currently looks, the references however aren't pointed to the reference link correctly so hopefully someone will correct that. I also moved a few things around and organized the article. I modified the "2008 Articles" section and renamed it to Facts and Trivia. I also removed the incident with "Daughtry" as it was irrevelant to the main article. I added the reference tag to the main article because the references aren't correctly placed. I also think we should lock this article from new and unregistered viewers so that we can avoid vandalism. -Vlad (talk)

OK, I've further changed it. The items that were in 'reaction' from Lythgoe and Cowell were not reaction, they were things said before the show even aired. That being said, they actually do fit in the 'additions and changes' section, so I moved them there. While the reaction section is small now, as more episodes air there will be more citeable sources and ratings to add.Gwynand (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Online Articles

In the first place, do we need this section? That is because they look like reviews rather than a proper article section. If it must be retained, can someone cleanup this up for everyone? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 14:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I don't like this section. I see that it is sourced, but it just looks like non-notable comments made in the press. The ratings would have a place, in a reception section, but not here.Gwynand (talk) 16:08, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Notable" auditioners

Per season 5 & 6, we shouldn't have a list of auditioners on here. Unless they make the top 24, they really aren't "notable" except that they appeared on television for 2 minutes. It's a massive waste of space. Let's wait until we get to the top 24 before we add lists of contestants. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one who put them on in the first place. I don't agree with Woohookitty that it is a massive waste of space. As we have seen in the case of William Hung, they can be almost as memorable as those who do well on the show. I am asking for permission to list a limited number of the worst or most unusual auditioners (e.g. Alexis Cohen, Renaldo Lapuz) on this page. It will be clearly marked that these are the failed auditioners. - Desmond Hobson (talk) 07:25, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I just don't see what the bad auditioners have to do really do with anything though. Do they have a single thing to do with the outcome of the show? They don't. So I don't think they should be here. I think even the show only puts them on for novelty effect. Outside of the finale, they aren't really ever mentioned again. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 04:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Consult WP:Note first. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 11:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Bug Hung wasn't notable until after auditions were over and the show was halfway finished. Woohookitty is correct. Wait until after the show to put auditioners up until the smoke clears, there will be plenty of time (and accompanying references) after the show is over. --Hourick (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I accept your decision. But some of those people are funny! Did you see Renaldo Lapuz and how the judges (except Simon) had fun with him? - Desmond Hobson (talk) 17:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Final cut

We should organize the final cut section. It looks so sloppy. Va girl2468 (talk) 02:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I followed the other seasons and started the semi-finals list. We usually don't do a whole lot with it until a week or two has gone by. See here for last year's format. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 08:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we should add that section untill we know for sure who's on the show. Melbrooksfan101 talk 06:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We do know who is on the show. The semi-finalists were announced last Wednesday night. http://www.americanidol.com/media/top24/meet_top_24.jpg if the official picture. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 08:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the Distribution section?

I've seen the Distribution section, and I think it is inappropriate for this section to exist it should only cover the United States. Should I remove the section or not? - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 10:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. It's sort of pointless. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 11:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. The global airtimes and channels don't warrant inclusion, and it's an overly long list and hard to maintain anyways. Gwynand (talk) 13:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should we remove the "Noted Contestants" section? I don't think it is also relevant in this article. - 上村七美 (Nanami-chan) | talkback | contribs 03:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll remove it. Trust me. It'll be back. :) For awhile, "notable auditioners" were listed in the AI articles but they are just not notable beyond their 5 minutes on tv during the auditions. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection?

Wondering if others think that we should ask for semi-protection. I know from previous experience that once we get into the semis (and especially in the finals), we're going to get nailed by vandalism and people wanting to add external links. And almost all of them are going to be from anons. Just in the last day we've been hit by multiple link additions. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 17:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just reverted 2 more sets of vandalism. Sigh. Patrolling these AI pages is harmful to your health. :) And unfortunately, it's going to get worse. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 02:24, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am for it Krushdiva (talk) 03:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am against it. This article is going to be watchlisted by many people. We should be able to revert all but the most intense vandalism. We'll play it by ear. Remember, protecting a page should not be pre-emptive. When vandalism gets bad enough that the people watching the page can't keep up with it, then we can protect it. I will try to keep an eye on the vandalism level and this talk page and if it gets bad enough, then I will sprotect it.↔NMajdan•talk 14:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rumors

Unless I'm reading WP:RS wrong, reality tv websites aren't really considered reliable, especially those which do alot of rumor mongering. The whole section on Carly Smithson bothers me for that reason. Citing votefortheworst makes me queasy. It's not reliable by any measure. Citing Yahoo and Wall Street Journal's site is ok since Yahoo gets info (generally) from reliable sources. But votefortheworst? --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the citations for VFTW. It'd be great if people watchlisting this article also watchlist Carly Smithson, which is having similar issues. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chikezie/Chikezie Eze

American Idol now states that he is going by just Chikezie [1], so I think in the list he should be listed as Chikezie not Chikezie Eze. Anyone else's opinions? Aspects (talk) 04:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We usually go by the show. See Mandisa and Trenyce. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 05:20, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That is what I thought but I can see an edit war happening because 17 minutes and 27 minutes after I removed his last name it was added back into two different places in the article. Aspects (talk) 06:51, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure if it's an edit war or just typical editing patterns. The AI articles are always heavily edited, so it's really hard to tell what's a war and what's just heavy editing. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please watchlist David Archuleta as well

Given his fanbase (and the fact that he's someone who had a fanbase BEFORE he appeared on American Idol), expect heavy activity and fancruft on David's article. So please watchlist it. It's been a page for just over a day and yet we're over 50 edits already. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 09:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Song writers

Should the name behind each song be the name of the writer of the song or the original performer? —BradV 19:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Luke Menard

just found out he was my cousin.--68.3.18.11 (talk) 02:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]