User talk:Enochlau

Hi! I welcome comments, suggestions and complaints.

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The Lowlifes Page

Hi. I had just finished off the page for the band The Lowlifes and in a flash it was deleted. I don't understand the reason for this saying that the band is unimportant and stuff. Everything in the brief article was factual and I was doing it for a good friend of mine who is the founder member of the band. Please put it back up as there was no reason for it to be deleted in my eyes.

G'day

G'day esteemed person who has expressed interest in Sydney based meetups at this page (I hope that's the correct wording for the formal greeting!!). You may have heard that Australia is to have its very own 'chapter' of the Wikimedia Foundation - and further, there's a meeting coming up to discuss / enact the chapter's incorporation (details here). I'm afraid that I don't know too much about the details of what this entails, other than having a private hope that we might get a secret handshake, and maybe cheap coffee at wikimania (this is a poor attempt at humour - I'm sure that the Chapter's do great work, and it's a good thing that Australia is to have one).

If you're interested in meeting up this weekend (the set date is the 20th) - or later, then please do head over here and sign up, or make a comment at the talk page... the drive to create the chapter has largely come from another town in Australia that I'm afraid I haven't actually heard much about.. and anything they can do.... right? - cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 11:11, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

editing help

Hi there Enoch!

A university class I've been trying to convince to get involved in using WP in their class has today agreed to do so. In the class they rewrote the text of Religious Nationalism. I was wondering if you could have a look at it and edit it mercilessly (as the saying goes). Perhaps if you could convince others to get in on the act too that would be great.

Here is the diff of the edit they made [1].

Thanks for your help,

Witty Lama 10:36, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Please note that the section Religious Nationalism has now been separated from the main article Nationalism into its own article Religious nationalism. Please join in and help bring this newly formed article up to standard. Especially important is avoiding a Systemic Bias and adding Citations.

All the best, Witty Lama 04:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I promise to take a look when I get some time. enochlau (talk) 22:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Drinks and a wiki chat?

G'day sydneysider - fancy a 'not quite a meetup but a few drinks' sort of thing? - We can chat about the new aussie chapter, the price of eggs and have our very own 2020 Wiki Summit! - or just sink a couple of cold ones and gass bag about the good 'ol days of wiki, when an editor could get some repsect (not a typo)! I've suggested something here so take a look and sign up if you're up for it... cheers, Privatemusings (talk) 02:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Deleting images on Commons but not replacing them

I noticed that you deleted an image that apparently is also on Commons but did not change the link in the article that uses the image. Is this a common occurrence? Do administrators typically delete images from Wikipedia because there is a copy on Commons without replacing the actual links in the articles? --ElKevbo (talk) 15:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I deleted that a year ago. I don't remember this image in particular, but based on the deletion reason I entered, I suspect that at the time that I deleted it, there was an exact replica of that image on Commons with the same name - in which case, yes, admins on the English Wikipedia will delete the local version, because the image link will still work (if a local image is not found, it will look on the Commons for a file of the same name). However, this image was deleted on the Commons recently [2], because it was not tagged correctly. It appears that this image was a PD-old image, so I'm happy to restore the local version on the English Wikipedia if you like - not sure why it wasn't tagged correctly on the Commons (I'm not an admin there, can't see deleted edit history). enochlau (talk) 22:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Holy crap did that timestamp say 2007 and not 2008? Wow - color me embarrassed! If I had noticed then I certainly wouldn't have bothered you about it as it is quite ridiculous to expect anyone to remember a specific incident from back that far.

If you could please restore the local copy of the image that would be spiffy. Thanks! --ElKevbo (talk) 22:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. But now it needs sources otherwise it'll be deleted locally as well. enochlau (talk) 03:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. Thanks again! --ElKevbo (talk) 05:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

2advanced

How is their entry not blatant advertising? In retrospect, I realize our entry was but we would like to add our company in some fashion. Can you offer any suggestions? We've won awards and have been online since 1996.

regards,

Derrick Stewart dstewart@biglickmedia.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dstewart21 (talk • contribs) 17:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

See WP:CORP. enochlau (talk) 04:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Dashes in the Signpost

Greetings, Enochlau. You have probably not noticed, but I have been regularly making minor edits to articles of the Wikipedia Signpost for at least a month; in your case, I have mostly spend these on converting the hyphens between the external links and their descriptions to en dashes. The latter are much more suitable for this usage, and constitute an aesthetic improvement over hyphens—the style guidelines seem to agree with this view. Although I do not really mind continuing making these minor adjustments (and increasing my edit count in the process), it has finally dawned on me that it would be best to simply go to the source and see what the author thinks. At least I get to know if you agree with my changes (in which case I trust that you will take them up yourself) or disagree (in which case I should leave the hyphens be). In any event, that will be one thing less to worry about. Waltham, The Duke of 03:27, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Umm ok. enochlau (talk) 04:30, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... Perhaps it's more than co-incidence that you write the smallest section of the Signpost. :-D Waltham, The Duke of 05:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

What is that meant to mean? enochlau (talk) 05:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

A jocular reference to your two-word reply... I should have made that clearer, I suppose. Waltham, The Duke of 06:09, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

lol ok :) enochlau (talk) 08:07, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

• Well, perhaps Waltham politely backed off when challenged; frankly, I don't think you should be writing high-profile texts without having someone else copy-edit them first. Sorry to be blunt, but "in good faith" doesn't mean "don't criticise". TONY (talk) 09:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Please add this to the Signpost.

[3] Wikipedia will become an HSC course from next year! :D Gizza^{Discuss ©} 06:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I saw it - Google sees all :) enochlau (talk) 14:07, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Your deletion of Mack McLarty

Was this deletion a mistake? I noticed you deleted the page as G8, but it was not a talk page so that obviously wouldn't apply. The person is definitely notable as a past White House Chief of Staff, and surely deserves a page. I'll be restoring the page as a presumably mistaken deletion if I don't hear from you within 24 hours. Thanks, VegaDark (talk) 05:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Oops, not sure how that happened -- obviously, I deleted the wrong page. Sorry. enochlau (talk) 15:02, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Your bad English—deal with it or don't write high-profile pieces

Look, don't write those right-ups if your English is so bad, or if you can't be bothered properly reviewing them before hitting the button. Sorry to be blunt, but it was very sloppy—embarrassingly so—and remains embarrassing since your friend Taxman (never the best writer despite his self-perception as such) has blundered in and reverted my inline queries without dealing with them. I'm not going to baby-sit what you write: I've pointed out the problems, and you're quite satisfied in leaving the crap in there for all to read. It's such a bad advertisement, for you and for the project. TONY (talk) 02:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I can see how the first sentence is clumsy, and "overseas" is unforgivable, but I stand by the rest. enochlau (talk) 04:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

No, the rest was wanting. "... whether "it's fit for purpose, the context, the relevance, whether there's an alternative view"" was pretty bad, and discredits that organisation through its illiterate use of the language. The past tense, as I said, was wrong—it indicated that WP no longer reflects notions of the global village. You had quoted it partially in a way that rendered it false. See now. TONY (talk) 09:00, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Criticisms are fine. You just need to learn how to do it in a more constructive and civil manner. enochlau (talk) 09:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

I thought your edit summary (whingeing, was it) was far from civil. TONY (talk) 12:36, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Your deletion of Developer 2.0

Was this deletion a mistake? I was writing this page to outline which is the principle of Developer 2.0 in an Enterprise Context. I don't really mind why it is blatant: advertising when: I'm writing about principles... without making reference to business. Is it maybe to the references lists. Well that's my blog too, and if you think it is advertising, ok (just remove it). To me, it's only a set of dump idea I wrote around the web and if you're thinking it's offending I would remove it. Can you resume that page without references? Developer 2.0 is an emerging idea, and what I've written is valuable (at least for me). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmondora (talk • contribs) 04:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm worried how about your deletion is democratic, and how the way you do things is collaborative making spirit of writing on wikipedia when: - I wrote an article about principles there; - You deleted it without informing me - I've asked you different days ago - You've never replied

Is it democratic? Is it the base principle of Wikipedia!

I don't think so, and I believe something wrong has happened because it's unbelievable watching how you're using your power of judging only because you're a moderator.

I'm sure it's the last time I'm writing on wikipedia... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmondora (talk • contribs) 05:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in replying - I have been busy in real life. The article as deleted read like a promotion, looking at the tone and the lack of emphasis on what it is as opposed to why it is great. The three links to your blog didn't help either. If you believe that this is a legitimate concept that deserves a place on Wikipedia, I encourage you to rewrite it, focusing on especially on these issues: verification (WP:VERIFY), especially with finding references that come from a variety of reputable sources, and tone (WP:TONE, WP:Spam#How_not_to_be_a_spammer). For the record, two other users expressed their concerns with the article before I deleted the article. enochlau (talk) 06:49, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't like how the conversation is going and your judgment until people can read only your judgement and not my tones... It is still not democratic! Maybe it is a good strategy for driving people to different business target. By the way, I want my content back because its mine. I think it was a better policy to help authors growing in writing their ideas instead of deleting. I'm really afraid to see how a public service like wikipedia is not so public and how the only thing will remain public is your judgment without any evidence. Can you send back me by email my deleted content?

Sorry to break the news to you, but Wikipedia is not a democracy. Regardless, given the borderline nature of this case, I have restored the content of Developer 2.0, and added tags that represent what I believe to be problems with the article as it stands. Please try and rectify the problems to the best of your ability, and please request assistance from other users familiar with enterprise software principles to help you understand how to write your article. If the article still reads like an advertisement in a few days' time, the article may be considered for deletion again (by me or others). enochlau (talk) 16:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I really appreciate the way you tagged, and in these days I'll work more on it. I'll come back next to you to feel your impression s. Thanks for all! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmondora (talk • contribs) 05:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Looks like someone has deleted it now. enochlau (talk) 04:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Signpost/Wikipedia in the News - Keelty

I just got around to reading the stuff you gathered for Wikipedia in the News. How about those "professional" journalists, eh? Will they ever get it that you don't have to "hack" this site to edit the articles? And how about the purported AFP response: "A breach"? And the non-offence will be investigated? Good on ya and keep 'em coming mate; it lightens the day indeed! Retarius | Talk 08:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, doing the "In the News" section has taught me more about the blathering media masses than anything else I've done before. enochlau (talk) 09:44, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Software

Hello Enochlau. You have been invited to join WikiProject Software, a WikiProject dedicated to improving the Software-related articles on Wikipedia. You received this invitation due to your interest in, or edits within the scope of the project. If you would like to join or just help out a bit, please visit the project page, and add your name to the list of project members. You may also wish to add {{User WikiProject Software}} to your userpage. If you know someone who might be intrested, please pass this message onto others by pasting this code into their talk page {{Software invite}}

Deletion of Baunt

This shows you deleted the redirect to the Bount page. First off, mispelling it with 'a' instead of 'o' is a plausible mistake. It is not an implausible typo or mosnomer. There is discussion on the talk page of the article here by Dekimasu as to the alternative spelling based on the German references of the clan. 'Baunto' is listed on the page and it is unclear as to whether adding the 'o' is a way to pluralize it for the entire clan, meaning Baunt could refer to a single individual. I do not see the harm in redirecting Baunt there, could it be restored? Tyciol (talk) 14:03, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with you - if anything the katakana is ba not bo. enochlau (talk) 14:09, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Stop procrastinating…

… by monitoring my edits! kewpid (talk) 17:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Rikaichan

I recreated the entry Rikaichan (the original one was someone else's). I believe it does deserve been kept now. If not, please tell me. urashimataro (talk) 08:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

I use the plugin myself, so I know what it is. However, the issue then, as now, is that the article makes no reference to why it's notable enough for inclusion into Wikipedia. Is it popular? If so, how popular? enochlau (talk) 08:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

You could have had the decency to wait for an answer from me before proceeding with the speedy deletion. I, unlike you, can't imagine why you want to delete an article about a useful piece of software. Maybe an article about it could make it notable. BTW, you probably will want to delete also the article about Moji extension I also wrote (sarcasm).

My apologies: it wasn't you who added the template. urashimataro (talk) 11:12, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

"+ sign at top of the page" in your instructions

Hi Enoch. I dont' know about other users, but (in reference for your instructions on how to add to this page) I see "new section", not "+". Might want to change your instructions accordingly, especially if you delete newbies' pages. Bongomatic (talk) 08:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't think of that - good point. Mine is a + sign because of my preferences. enochlau (talk) 08:14, 18 June 2008 (UTC)