Talk:List of Go players

Additional Players

There are many more ancient Chinese players mentioned in the Chinese Wikipedia version of this article. It'd be nice if someone can include them here (I'm not too well-versed with Go history, so I'm not sure if I'm the best guy for the job.) It'd be also nice to include some Korean historical players if someone knows about them.

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Initial Comments

I was thinking that it'd be great if we could really expand this section. Not having just the great players of yesterday and today, but players from all over the world who are good and not yet legendary. Like comprehensive lists of young players from Japan, Korea, China etc.. What do you guys think? Can 19:29, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this section should be significantly expanded. But the players have to be relatively famous to meet the high standard of encyclopedia. Right? --Neo-Jay 19:56, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There should be several hundred players who meet the criteria, out of a few thousand 'known' players through history. Charles Matthews 20:23, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

They should be famous, a least a little, sure. But what I'm aiming for is compiling big lists of players from different countries instead of just having a list of well-known players. Can 21:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For most countries, though, there are only amateur players. And that makes more of a difficulty in establishing who is 'famous' enough to be here. Charles Matthews 22:24, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking of re-ordering this list by birthdate so the players from the early era's were listed first, then gradually moving down to today's modern players. Can 21:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New suggestion: I'd suggest that the "go players in the west" table be either deleted or expanded large (there are way more than 4 players, plz, and the selection is arbitrary) AND, more importantly, another table be made for the few professionals who come from the West. Some of them are listed in the Korean/Japanese tables, too, but not all, and i think it is necessary to have an overview of the exceptional cases when any Non-Asian made it to Pro, starting with C. Taranu, S. Shikshina, Janice Kim, D. Kőszegi, M. Redmond, A. Dinerchtein, H. Pietsch, M. Wimmer...I'm afraid I do not have a complete list. Anapazapa (talk) 21:22, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the ranking of the historical players should be verified. If I'm not completely mistaken, the 9-dan professional rank was not used until the 20th century, and if I remember correctly Shuusaku's rank was 7 dan when he died (and iirc 8 dan was the maximum at that time, and even that was a rather special rank or something). Naturally one could argue that "the title of Honinbo was like being 9 dan today" but that would just be speculation, not an official ranking system.

Also the notation "9p" is dubious, most probably an internet-era product than an official notation. Professionals are ranked with "dan", not "p". While it is true that professional ranks are different from amateur ranks (a professional 1 dan is immensely stronger than an amateur 1 dan) and in some situations a distinction might be in place, I think that the official rank notation should be used in such a serious publication as this one. Or at the very least the "p" notation should be explained. --Juha Nieminen

The "p" is used to differentiate the amatuer "d"'s with the professionals.

I know, and I think I made that clear. I think I also made it clear that the "p" is, as far as I know, not an official notation but something which has been invented probably in the internet. Officially professional ranks are "dans" and I think that this page should use the official ranks, not ad-hoc notations. And as I said, if nothing else, at least the "p" notation should be explained.

Even after all this time the unofficial "p" notation is still used (instead of the official "dan), and completely unexplained. I suppose some things never change. Wopr 12:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:WEASEL and WP:PEACOCK

I'm concerned about the use of phrases such as "considered by many" and "greatest of all time", which are hard to quantify and are against WP:WEASEL and WP:PEACOCK. Here's an example:

Go Seigen (呉清源, Wu Qingyuan in Chinese, born 1914) 9p, is considered by many the greatest player of the 20th century, perhaps the greatest of all time. He had a superb match play record, before the current era dominated by annual titles.

Can anyone suggest different ways to present this info? Thanks, delldot | talk 03:56, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]