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Hey there! Just a comment about something I've noticed from your work on PJ Haarsma. Help:Minor edits says that "a check to the minor edit box signifies that only superficial differences exist between the current and previous version: typo corrections, formatting and presentational changes, rearranging of text without modifying content". A few of your edits probably shouldn't have been marked as minor; it's not a big deal, and I'm not really bothered, but you might want to mark fewer edits as minor in future.
Ahh ok thanks for pointing out the policy, Mr Absurd. I think I get click crazy sometimes. I'm always open to constructive criticism so if you notice anything else I'm not quite in the right one, feel free to let me know!--Kethra{talk}20:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did you know?
Hi Kethra, your article is progressing well. I thought that you might be interested in the Did you know? category which is featured each day on the main Wikipedia page. Let me know what you think? I am under the impression that all articles are open to the category whether or not they are rated b-class or higher. Hag2 (talk) 15:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great, but I'm not sure if this article would qualify as it hasn't been "expanded at least fivefold with new text within the last five days".--Kethra{talk}17:24, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
ETA - Well it might have been, I forgot about the expansions I made to the KNTR section. But I wonder what would be a good hook...--Kethra{talk}17:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Hopefully, all that I need to do is insert the hook. I grow weary quickly of long-winded instruction details. Have you looked? Do you know? Hag2 (talk) 18:11, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like all you need to do is use the {{DYKsuggestion}} template on the Did you know? page, under the appropriate heading (ie when the article was created or expanded). I guess that would be the 6th for this one (where the most expansion was). Looks like there's a more details when you go to edit the suggestion page.--Kethra{talk}18:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think I follow you so far. But that template said, ...It is not meant to be used by a human when nominating hooks; it is only used by the calling template. After reading through the DYK "nominating page" quickly, it looked as though all I needed to do was insert the hook at the expansion day (December 7, let's say). Then a bunch of administrators begin doing their thing. There's a suggestion somewhere about images, and I thought that a good 100x100 pixel cropping of the Game Image might look good. You know, use your Microsoft PictureIt editor, crop one of the figures faces (or something like that), upload it into Wikipedia, and then we can use that as the 100x100 image. Do you follow me? Hag2 (talk) 18:52, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, meant {{DYKsug}} (was just looking at the help info at the top of the page when you go to edit Did you know?. I'll see about getting an image, if not a game image, perhaps PJ's portrait, since the hook is about him.--Kethra{talk}18:54, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay [after edit conflict]. I think we could use Anne Teedham's December 5 day as the beginning of the expansion day. See the difference between the two days here:[1]
Okay. Look, I'll insert the stuff that you exampled a minute ago into the DYK nomination page. While I am doing that, why don't you cut this entire subsection from the talkpage, and let it go to the "wind", or paste it into your user's talkpage (if you want). I really see no need for any further discussion, do you? Hag2 (talk) 19:40, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mission accomplished. I ran into two problems, but they were (are) insignificant. The first problem was: the link for the Rings of Orbis linked to the same link for PJ. So I quickly inserted the homepage URL for the Rings. The second problem is clearly visible in the nomination page when you find the December 5 nominations. Why it inserted the "[[PJ Haarsma" is beyond me but I figure that some smart fellow will come along and correct it for me. I hope you get selected. :) This has been another learning process. Thanks. Oh...send me a {{tb}} after you read this. Hag2 (talk) 20:02, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
next day, continuation...
Kethra, we ran into a problem: [2] The only way I see to correct for this is to create two quick STUBS, one for each. A stub really does not need more than 2-3 sentences; however the concept behind a stub is that those sentences will then become an article. I believe both external links in the hook could evolve into separate articles of their own. What do you think? Also, there really is no hurry on this DYK thing. We can let the nomination evaporate, then try again later. I have a feeling that the 5x Rule means something like "...there only needs to be five edits", not 5 times the volume. So I will read through the rules for more clarity. Hag2 (talk) 13:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I was thinking about that last night that they might not like the external links. I had a plan to develop both of those articles. I think we can let this one go for now, and when the KNTR or The Softwire articles are developed, we can use one or both of those as the Did you know? nomination. Or something along those lines. I had some more ideas to develop the school visit and game sections of PJ's article as well. So there's always the future. Thank you for bringing this category to my attention. I think it's a great system, the timing is just a bit off now. I'm going to be rather busy and away from Wikipedia over the holidays, but I'll try to do what I can offline and come back with great material for the new articles.--Kethra{talk}14:41, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. I detailed a "plea for understanding with Art LaPella" (at the nomination) but expect to let everything expire. I, too, am new at Wikipedia but I am learning a few details as time goes by. One detail which I believe may be valuable in this DYK concept is the expansion rule. If you keep your work within your Userspace, it does not interfere with the rule. That is, the day that you move your article into Articlespace becomes the day of creation. Consequently, if you had written PJ Haarsma in Userspace (which I am sure you did) and not moved it until December 5,...etcetera. The disadvantage to keeping one's work in Userspace is that it remains virtually unseen by other editors. However, I believe a work-around from that disadvantage is the REDIRECT. For example, if you use the REDIRECT for the name of the article (e.g. PJ Haarsma), but then redirect any interested parties to Userspace, you should be able to acquire people as you have done so far. Thus, my notion at the moment is for you to secure the Articlespace names The Softwire Series and The Kids Need to Read Foundation by researching the rules regarding REDIRECTS, and by creating the redirects in Articlespace as soon as possible. Does this make any sense? Hag2 (talk) 15:03, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's something to consider, and does make a little sense. However, my reason for having those in my userspace was so that the majority of people won't see them yet, as they're definitely not ready for criticism! And I didn't create PJ's article, it's been there for a while. I just did major expansions to it. When I got a hold of it, it was a stub. Once I have more time to devote, I'll be doing major expansions on the two developing articles, because I've learned a lot from the process of getting PJ's article to a B-class rating. My intentions were to start with The Softwire article, but I gravitated to PJ's first. It's all a learning process! I think I'm going to work on paper or in my trusty Notepad to develop those. Seems my thoughts are more coherent and less disjointed when I write elsewhere.--Kethra{talk}15:09, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There is a problem with the "trusty Notepad" or Word: word wrap. I have run across that in another user's article. It is very annoying in the edit-box to begin making line-breaks more compatible with the Wikipedia text editor. The work-around goes like this: create your work in a Sandbox but do not SAVE. Save it into Notepad after you have created, then save Notepad locally. The following day paste back to SANDBOX, create again, but SAVE into NOTEPAD. I think the work-around may not hold true for WORD; I have not bothered to find out. Hag2 (talk) 16:08, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
final quote boxes
Kethra, I don't like the spacing of the final two quote boxes. On a 800x600 screen, the righthand box is lost and greatly out of proportion to the main body of the article. I would suggest moving one of the boxes directly before the introductory material for the School visits (centered), and then placing the second box at the very end (also centered). Or: I would reccommend finding the exact, correct "em" (perhaps in a percentage?) so the quote boxes would float equidistant below the main body of the article, and thus there would be no mandatory "scrolling". Hag2 (talk) 21:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
image of species
Honine: Great addition! Let me know when you want to be nominated for the WP:GA. I think PJ Haarsma is ready. It seems to take a month from Nomination Day to review. Big backlog. Incidentally, I do not think a Good Article rating is really much to strive for unless you find a good reviewer, i.e. a person who is prepared to aid you in the direction of an A-Rating. But the GA nomination means that your WPBiography talkpage banner gets altered from B-Class to GA candidate (I think). Hag2 (talk) 19:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, missed this. Thanks, Hag2. I just posted on PJ Haarsma's talk page about wanting to expand the game and visit sections just a wee bit more before pursuing a GA rating. I probably won't be able to get to that until after the holidays/New Year because I'm going to be traveling quite a bit and my poor computer will miss me.--Kethra{talk}14:30, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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