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Soybean

Soybeans in the pod

A graceful picture of soybeans in the pod. Crisply focused and artfully composed.

Not promoted Raven4x4x 05:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Morning Glory

Blue Morning Glory Profile
Blue Morning Glory Close-up

Ok, first off, it's probably bad featured pictures etiquette to add two of your own pictures at once, but I honestly couldn't decide. I love them both so much. Normally, I wouldn't do this unless someone else suggested it first (as in the Crepuscular Rays nomination.)

Anyway, these pictures appear in the article Morning glory. I believe they truly capure the stunning beauty of a morning glory flower. And the water drops (that's real rain, not water sprayed from a bottle!) only enhance the effect.

Promoted Image:BlueMorningGloryClose.jpg Raven4x4x 00:40, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Flower Fly

Flower-fly Ocyptamus
A copy of the original that I (Diliff) created - Shadows lightened a little more and run through NeatImage to remove the noise in the background.

Was this ever a difficult image to get, especially considering my camera's less than steller autofocus ability in super macro mode. But I was determined. I set the shutter speed as high as it would go and put the camera into high speed shutter mode... and this is what I got. This picture appears in the article Flower-fly. It is the only picture of a non-bee-mimic flower fly, and the only picture of one in flight. If I only had access to a higher shutter speed, then the wings wouldn't have been blurred! Anyway, this bug-in-flight shot is a pretty good picture of a Flower-Fly, getting ready to feed from a flower. It's well-exposed, clear, and illustrates the subject very well.

I'm just not seeing it people. I'm afraid if I "fix" the image for people who think it's too dark, then it will appear far too light for people with properly calibrated monitors. I've spoken to several of my friends on AIM, and it doesn't appear dark to them. Maybe you should try this: [1]. But, because I'm such a nice guy, here is a version where I dodged the bug. There's nothing I can (or will) do for the background.

I've compared the second and third pic and think the change in brightness and sharpness is minor. So my vote remains as above - Adrian Pingstone 13:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The change was intended to be minor and subtle. However, the change that you didn't comment on was the noise reduction. My edit does not have nearly as much background noise. Anyway, I don't have a problem with any of them. I just thought mine was an improvement.Diliff 04:19, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yours is certainly an improvement but subtle like you say. Thanks for the effort you put in to change and upload the pic, I didn't intend to "put down" your changes - Adrian Pingstone 12:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:FlyingBugPollinating-Oct15-lighter-cleaner.jpg Raven4x4x 04:02, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Aussie Stadium

Sydney FC and Adelaide United players warming up before an A-League football game at Aussie Stadium, Sydney in October 2005.

(Note: Thumbnail size increased due to image's wide aspect ratio.)

A self-nomination. I created the final image by taking and combining three separate images. Taken just before the game on 9 October 2005 (see caption). Currently appears in Aussie Stadium, A-League and Sport in Australia.

I still think the distortion is disturbing. However, on this picture, it isn't due to a fisheye lens, but to the combining of the 3 images. Globally the result is the same (distortion). Unfortunately the trick I normally use to fix fisheyed images does not work well on this picture (too large HFOV). I won't vote on this one ;-) Glaurung 07:14, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I will! =) Seriously, I love the effect of the lens. Photography by nature tends to be rather "flat" when compared with 3-D reality, but the panorama gives an illusion of three dimensions. Support --Kerowyn 05:17, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. Interesting and impressive, but a pity about that "35". Enochlau 07:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I'm a bit partial to panoramas and this is pretty good. Its a shame about the stitching issues in the crowd, but that is virtually impossible to avoid. Other than that, I can't see any stitching artifacts - Looks fine to me. Very clear view of the stadium. I don't think that the 35 is overly distracting and as mentioned previously, it is just part of the stadium. Diliff 12:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Sorry, it fits the articles well, but I just don't find it particularly interesting. It looks like any other sports stadium. Too much concrete and crowd, and not enough field. And the players aren't even playing. Stephen Turner 15:46, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose, mainly because it seems a bad choice for a pic to show what a stadium is. Halibutt 23:41, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think it was ever intended to show what A stadium is - it was intended to show what that particular stadium is, or more appropriately, what the view is from that particular angle, and I think in that sense, it does a pretty good job. Diliff 04:56, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Halibutt does have a point though. We can't very well have featured pictures of every stadium out there. Our general unwritten policy has been that the featured picture candidate should not be of a topic for which we already have a featured picture. That is why we don't accept fractals or nebulas too easily anymore; they'd have to be pretty stunning to get past the fact that we already have such images as featured. So, when you pick an image, you can easily think of it in terms of "this will represent the topic of _____" (in this case, a stadium). — BRIAN0918 • 2005-10-29 13:50
      • Note: I'm the photographer/submitter so I may be biased here! Have you looked at the Stadium article? (Admittedly, I hadn't until I read these comments) There are few pictures there, but none of them are featured, and none of them show as much of the inside of a moderm stadium as this image does. When I took the pictures I only intended it to be an illustration for the Aussie Stadium aticle, but now that I have looked at the Stadium article I'm contemplating putting it there as well. I'd also like to clarify what Halibutt means by "seems a bad choice for a pic to show what a stadium is" - in what way? Doesn't it look enough like a stadium? -- Chuq 01:52, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
        • I would have to agree with Chuq - compared with the other pictures in Stadium, this one looks quite exceptional. However, it might not be appropriate as an illustration of what a stadium looks like because: a) it's distorted b) doesn't quite show the structure much (from an architectural point of view, you're missing a lot of the roof supports etc) c) it's not quite full (although few of the other ones at Stadium are either...). And in response to Brian, what pictures of stadiums do we currently have? A quick search reveals none - so the floodgate argument doesn't really apply yet like it does to fractals. Enochlau 11:17, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
          • Actually in defense of the panorama, I have to say that it isn't really distorted at all. This is actually pretty much what it would look like if our eyes had such a wide field of view. The distance between the ends of the pitch and the centre where the photographer was sitting is quite large, and it is pure physics that dictates that it should look the way it does. If the viewer was much further way (which is in reality impossible) looking THROUGH the seating of the stadium, then yes, you would avoid most of the 'distortion', but from the angle of view that is realistic, the way it looks is unavaoidable, panorama or not. Diliff 03:20, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The image is too busy and just isn't that spectacular. Also, the stadium looks slightly tilted (Right higher than left) --Ironchef8000 02:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Great image. Shows the entire field and parts of the crowd at near and far distances, plus the effect of the sun on the field is striking and it is not over/under exposed. Really like the wide angle. Jeeb 05:26, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 11:42, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Booby chick

Booby chick on Palmyra Atoll.

Taken in the Palmyra Atoll by the USCG. Very nice colors.

Wasn't previously listed. Re-added 14:00, 22 October 2005 (UTC). ed g2s • talk

Promoted Image:Sula sula nesting in Heliotropium foertherianum.jpg Raven4x4x 11:47, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Veszprém church

A church in the city of Veszprém, Hungary.

this is my first nomination here and I hope I don't mess up things. I really like this picture. :)

Not promoted Raven4x4x 04:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Popcorn

Popped popcorn
Popped popcorn

Good photo of popcorn, and have others: Image:Popcorn03.jpg, Image:Popcorn04.jpg, for choice.

Comment I purposely added those options so that if people liked them better they could vote in favor of it. --Fir0002 22:28, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 04:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Shrine of Remembrance

Shrine of Remembrance
File:Melbourne war memorial03-02.jpg
Shrine of Remembrance, healed, lightened, and sharpened.
Shrine of Remembrance, lightened, sharpened, healed

Nice photo of the Shrine. Other versions: Image:melbourne_war_memorial02.jpg, Image:pillars_at_front_of_war_memorial.jpg

  • Support Self Nom. --Fir0002 07:12, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It looks a little dark I think. Enochlau 11:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: It's rather dark and you have dust on your sensor! Lots of it. Better clean it off. In the meantime, I think I will do some healing. Edit: Man, that picture was livid with dust spots! I don't want to sound negative, but I think you might want to have your camera's sensor cleaned off, or at least blow on it with some compressed air. Anyway, I think I got most of them. How's this?
Thanks for your work, but I think the photo has lost too much of the warm hues of sundown. The sensor itself won't have dust on it as there is filter in front of it; even so, I don't know about the photo being livid with dust! But dust is a problem I have noticed with the 20D, whenever you use high shutter speeds it tends to dislodge tiny dust specks. And of course dust for some reason perfers to settle on a nice clean lens face than on anything else! Its quite a common problem with DSLR's. Anyway I have cleaned it since that photo was taken (which was about 1/2 a year ago), but I prefer not to fiddle down if possible (much rather use the clone tool in Photoshop).
I can upload the orignal file if you really want a crack at adjusting that - but I prefer not to upload the originals as it takes forever - and I like to keep the full size my own.
  • Fir002 - Your sensor does indeed have a lot of dust on it. You're right though, there is a filter a couple of mm above the actually CMOS itself, and the filter has dust on it. The reason why you see it in higher shutter speeds is not a function of the shutter speed itself, but rather the fact that in program mode when photographing a brightly lit subject, which I am assuming you've used, it will generally use a balance of stopped down aperture and slower shutter speed. It is the stopped down aperture that increases the visibility of the dust on the sensor. When light passes through a a tight aperture, it hits the sensor at a much 'straighter' angle (because the light coming in at an angle is blocked by the aperture), and the specks of dust create a more visible shadow. When light passes through a wide open aperture, there is a greater chance of it coming in at an angle, and thereby hitting the sensor 'around' the speck of dust. Thats the basic explanation for it, anyway. I recommend you investigate cleaning solutions for the camera. It isn't essential but you will minimise the amount of dust that accumulates on the sensor if you clean occasionally. The longer you have the camera, the more dust you'll get. Its very unlikely to go away by itself. :) Diliff 02:18, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your detailed comments Diliff, but I was aware of the issues you raised there. I read this website (which at the time of writing this comment seems to be down - hence the link to a google cached version) and it does a good job explaining the different options for cleaning the sensor (if you are using compressed air you'd want to be pretty carefull). I have obviously cleaned the sensor a few times, but as previously mentioned due to the difficulty and risk I do not clean often. Thanks again and sorry if I sound a bit tense. --Fir0002 09:56, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I misunderstood and thought you had not yet tried to clean it. But I don't think high shutter speeds will 'dislodge' dust. It just accumulates over time. Nothing more to it really. ;) Diliff 15:15, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Perhaps he could upload a less harshly compressed version? Also, you shouldn't vote support or oppose until the end of the second day when the bot moves the nomination into the voting section.
    • A less compressed version would be a step up, but I'm not sure that the shadow can be fixed. Please do not remove my vote again; I promise that I will change it myself if I feel the picture achieves featured quality in the future. Rhobite 23:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • Rhobite, the reason that your vote was removed is that you are not supposed to vote in the first two days of the nomination, only to comment. I do prefer the lighting of the edited version, but there are a lot of artifacts on the sky. Raven4x4x 05:58, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I have uploaded another version --Fir0002 12:10, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that's a lot better. Raven4x4x 12:40, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Although its a high resolution image and quite sharp (albeit a little too sharp, I can see haloes), I just don't like the overall composition that much. It has the look of a tourist snapshot and although you can basically see what the shrine looks like, it isn't really something I would consider exceptional in any way. This applies to all versions I think. :) Adjusting levels/saturation can make it look 'prettier' but not a better photo. Diliff 02:18, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Regardless of the touching up, I would have to agree with Diliff and say that composition-wise, the photo lacks a little umph. It shows the shrine ok, but there's nothing special about it. Enochlau 07:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - don't like these Brookie: A collector of little round things 18:58, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 04:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Hebe flowers

Hebe x franciscana flower

Great colors IMO.

Not promoted Raven4x4x 04:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Flemish harpsichord

A Flemish harpsichord

Thought this picture was striking; it's a picture of a Flemish harpsichord with detailed decorations, and the blue background adds to it nicely. It's used in both harpsichord and the History of music articles, and was taken by fr:Utilisateur:Ratigan (uploaded by Gérard to en). A lower resolution version (that's the one actually linked to in articles) with description can be found at Image:Flemish harpsichord small.png.

  • Nominate and support. - Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 00:23, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Several comments. Firstly, I don't see any need for a separate smaller version to go in articles, as the image can be shunk down to any size in the articles. Secondly, I think jpeg is the prefered file format for photos, not png. Thirdly, this is a very nice picture of a beautiful instrument. I don't remember any musical instruments being featured pictures before.

Raven4x4x 00:43, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

( + ) Support. Halibutt 23:43, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I could ask Gérard to upload a larger image if you want. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 15:17, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted but this was very close. A larger version would probably pass. Raven4x4x 04:39, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


The instrument shows a mixture of 16th-17th c. Flemish features (the paper decorations) and 17th-18th c. French ones (the keyboard with black rather than white naturals). Something typically Flemish would be preferable. this is cool

Sheep

Sheep eating grass

I really like the warm colors in this photo.

Personally I'm quite convinced that this photo is cropped to the best effect in the current version because to me that burnt dry grass on top is not only a great "aussie" type grass, but it contrast so sharply with the green grass the sheep are eating in the foreground (which happens to be next to a road). As to the RHS sheep, I kind of like it. --Fir0002 09:26, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hal, there is no {{Support}} template, please don't try to use it again.PiccoloNamek 02:44, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:sheep_eating_grass_edit02.jpg Raven4x4x 07:04, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Dione and Saturn

Dione in front of Saturn, as seen by the Cassini probe

My reason for nominating is simple: it's gorgeous. It's an entirely natural photograph, not an artificial montage. The black band on Saturn is the shadow cast by its rings. The picture as a whole gives a great indication of the relationships between Saturn, its rings and its moons.

Created by NASA.

Promoted Image:Dione 2005 Oct 11 (PIA07744).jpg Raven4x4x 07:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OldAge

File:Old Age.JPG
The effects of ageing on a human face
The effects of ageing on a human face

Self-nomination. I took this portrait of my great-grandmother for the Ageing-article, and I think it works fairly well.

  • Support self-nomination. - Mstroeck 07:16, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: It seems a little flat. Perhaps an increase in contrast would help? I uploaded an edited version. Personally, I think it does a much better job of capturing the oldness of her. I also added a very slight metallic blue duotone effect.PiccoloNamek 18:13, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks PiccoloNamek, that's great! You are of course right, it could use some more contrast. Sorry for being such a lazy ass and letting other people do the post-processing. I'm fairly new to digital photography and am not really firm with all the tools yet. Mstroeck 18:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmmmm. Well, I feel like I'm the scrooge of featured pictures at the moment, but I don't feel like this is outstanding. It has a lot of potential, but I just don't like the angle. It is just begging to be rotated a little so you can see the face from the front, or even from a three-quarter angle. I think as human beings we desire to look at someone in the eye, to observe and feel what they feel and I just don't have that connection with this photo. I would support a photo like this if the angle is better but I don't think I would as it is. Sorry, just my opinion! Diliff 12:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • No need to apologize. I don't want to get too philosophical here, but: "the images featured on Wikipedia:Featured pictures should illustrate a Wikipedia article in such a way as to add significantly to that article." I specifically didn't want any of the pathos that often comes with pictures of old people, but something that can effectively visualize the effects of ageing in an encyclopedic article. This picture is not about a person, it's about a concept. After all, it's supposed to be used in articles, not in a photo competition. But that's just my opinion and of course open to debate. (By the way, I actually have pictures taken at other angles, but I wouldn't consider them worth adding here. The incredible way age can change a human face is not nearly as evident from the front.) Mstroeck 12:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • I wouldn't say that is necessarily true. It depends on the photograph. Raven4x4x 13:01, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
      • You're right. I probably didn't add enough emphasis on that point, but I also think in addition to it not being a photo that grabs me visually, that you would also have a better view of the effects of aging from the front or three-quarter angle view. And to elaborate on what I was saying originally, when I mentioned that I think humans seek eye contact, I was alluding to the fact that we would usually see the effects of aging from that angle too and it would be more relevent.. You're right though - for an image that seeks to show the effects of aging from that particular angle, it does do that, but whether it is as relevent (for reasons mentioned above) as it could be is debatable. Don't get me wrong, I don't dislike the image. I just think the composition could be improved. Diliff 14:43, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 04:54, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Zombie Process

A diagram on the process of infecting and use of zombie computers
Same diagram with the colours changed a bit

An informative diagram on the steps it takes to create a botnet; used in the Botnet article; created by User:Fubar Obfusco.

  • Oppose. Although it certainly is different as outlined above, and I agree that it's informative, I think that the flat 2D graphics and the colour scheme put together make for one uninspiring diagram. It's ok, but not exceptional. Enochlau 10:44, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 04:54, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bessbug

Bessbug
Fixed

From Passalidae. This is studio quality work here. ;)

Promoted Image:Beetle-Bessbug.jpg Raven4x4x 07:20, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Beaded Lizard

Mexican Beaded Lizard
Mexican Beaded Lizard - shadows lightened

This image appears in the article Beaded Lizard and you won't find a more detailed picture of one anywhere. Which is why I'm nominating it.

That was a total accident that I meant to fix, but left undone in tiredness. The copy had an improper name, so I uploaded a new copy. The old copy will needs to be replaced and deleted, and I'm doing that right now.PiccoloNamek 08:43, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • No contrast in the snout region (too dark). There is not even half a lizzard on this picture. The way it is dodged into the sand on this picture gives the the reader no impression for the figure of this critter. I would have a very hard time recognizing one in real life from this picture. --Dschwen 17:28, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The snout looks fine to me. Perhaps your monitor is too dark. I had the exact same problem with the Flower Fly nomination. Some people thought it was too light, others too dark, and some liked it the way it was. Anyway, as for the half a lizard comment, the lizard itself is so distinctive looking, it would be very difficult indeed to mistake it for anything else, even if the picture was nothing but a head. The only other lizard that looks remotely like this one is the Gila Monster, which has a very different looking face.PiccoloNamek 17:55, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Picolo - I agree with Dschwen that the snout was too dark.. It is difficult to see the detail. Unfortunately though, that is the problem with using a computer to display photos - nobody sees things exactly the same the way you do. I do have a pretty well calibrated monitor though, and it looks dark to me. The detail is there in the shadows but isn't very visible (some parts of the snout were only 3-6 steps from total black). I've created an edited copy that has the shadows brought out a little, revealing more detail that was difficult to see previously. The rest of the image is untouched. Hope you don't mind. I feel like I'm the edit fairy now with all the fixes I've made. :) Sorry! Diliff 09:37, 26 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • No problem. I think it does look better. Nothing wrong with a little editing, I've done my fair share here as well. :)PiccoloNamek 01:37, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty much - I think the shadow/highlight (I'm assuming this is what you used) doesn't really work. It's all very well to get more detail - but to me the black snout looks more realistic - especially when you compare them side by side.--Fir0002 10:16, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:BeadedLizard-AHPExotics.jpg I'll go with the original as no-one has any major problems with it, while there is one definate oppose for the edit. Raven4x4x 08:34, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Gospers glider gun

Gosper Glider Gun creating "gliders".

This image isn't one of wikipedia's most visually stunning images; but it adds significantly to the Conway's Game of Life article. Visualizing Conway's rules in action is something text simply cannot do. Also it is, in it's own way, very interesting to look at. This image was created by User:Kieff and is released under the GFDL.

Promoted Image:Gospers glider gun.gif Raven4x4x 11:14, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Temple of Vesta

The Temple of Vesta in the Roman Forum

The picture is a particularly bold and vibrant one. It is eye-catching, and encourages the viewer to read the attached article (Temple of Vesta). It is also very clear and striking, and perfectly illustrates what remains of the temple. It was created by me, Jdhowens90.

Not promoted Raven4x4x 02:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Melbourne Yarra Afternoon

Melbourne as seen from south-east side along the Yarra River

My first self nomination. ;) A photo I took on a lazy spring sunday afternoon. Its very high quality (originally 12 megapixels) image showing quite clearly the Melbourne skyline, the Yarra River, a charter passenger boat and one of many rowing crews that regularly use the waterway as recreation.

  • Nominate and support. - Diliff 04:12, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment - I know this gets said a lot and sometimes it's an illusion, but I think the buildings are off vertical, leaning to the left. Does it need to be rotated clockwise slightly? I confess I haven;t done a guideline check in a graphics program which is the sure way to test. --bodnotbod 10:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Haha, well I hate to tell you, but its about as straight as it could possibly be. I just measured, and there is about 2-3 pixels of shift from the bottom of the largest building to the top. The easiest way to check is simply to view it full sized and scroll it across until the edge of the building is a couple of pixels from the edge of the screen. You'l see any lean quite clearly. In this case I honestly don't think it needs any rotation at all. Diliff 12:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, brilliant and clear. Raven4x4x 02:57, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • ( − ) Oppose I hope you don't take offence and think I'm trying to get my own back, but to quote yourself, it has the look of a tourist snapshot, and doesn't seem too expcetional to me. Clear, (Canon 5D!) and does it's job as far as illustrating the yarra, but that's about as far as it goes IMO. --Fir0002 09:40, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hehe, no offense taken, but composition-wise, can you offer a suggestion as for how it could be improved or point me to a photo that better displays the river in relation to the city? I guess in the end, judging a photo is extremely subjective. I hate to say it, but photography here tends to be sensationalised - if it doesn't shock or amaze, it isn't considered worthy. Can I ask, though, why have you nominated so many photos similar to this if you didn't think this one was worthy? :) Just wondering. Diliff 14:53, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Composition wise (and I know this is obviously asking a lot) maybe a shot from the top of one of the towers boardering the yarra would like pretty good. The night shots use took already work well - but to me broad daylight is too ordinary. More dramatic lighting I guess is the gist of what I'm saying. Something like this looks pretty good. As to your other question, well that's a pretty hard question to answer really. I guess you could say it's personal taste (I've seen some photos which I thought pathetic gain amazing admiration by others) - and I think it's pretty hard for the photographer not to be biased towards their photo. I mean it's for a layman to appreciate the trouble you go to get a photo - the fact you go out of your way and find time to visit somewhere for no other reason but to get a photo for wiki - it doesn't get counted by the general public. They want something that is visually stimulating. But I guess the real reason is that I think it is far better for a photo to be nominated and utterly rejected than to have it sitting around never being recognised. --Fir0002 10:12, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I can understand your point, but are you submitting photos simply for recognition? :) I guess we all have a slightly vain side and the desire for someone to actually see the effort we've put in - you're right. I'm mainly just sticking them on wikipedia to do my bit to help out though. Some of them are a bit borderline professional and I'm a little wistful leaving them online with such a generous licence, but for the time being its just a hobby anyhow. Thanks for the reply. Diliff 14:26, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. It's so clear and high res! But it's a little ordinary, so overall, I'm not swayed either side... Enochlau 10:38, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. 5D... lucky. The picture is sharp and it does a great job of illustrating the river and the city. What more do you want from a featured pic? Rhobite 16:12, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I agree fully with Fir & Enochlau. Its a pretty picture, but quite ordinary. --ScottyBoy900Q∞ 23:39, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment for discussion. With no disrespect to Piccolo intended at all, and I'm really not even attempting to blow my own trumpet here, but why is it that landscapes seem to be more easily dismissed as 'ordinary' when a picture of a bug against a white background is considered great? I'm not saying the bug is not a good photo - it is - but given the same criteria, its just interesting that a (in my opinion anyway..!) well composed, exposed and illustrative landscape photo is considered ordinary. :) Diliff 03:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
We've all seen rivers, trees and highrises before. In their usual context everyday things do not seem special. But when you take them out of this context and allow for a more focussed closer look they seem spectacular (like the bug pic for example). --Dschwen 22:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I can accept that as a valid reason, but I do maintain a detailed, well composed and relevent photo of a boring subject could still be worthy. :) Just my opinion. I'll submit something a bit more 'out of the ordinary' next time. Diliff 14:26, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 02:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fort Griswold

Fort Griswold, with New London in the background

High quality, detailed shot of the fort (which was suprisingly an empty article despite it's importance to the Battle of Groton Heights). Used in both Fort Griswold and New London.

Not promoted Raven4x4x 02:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Glacial retreat

The termini of the glaciers in the Bhutan-Himalaya. Glacial lakes have been rapidly forming on the surface of the debris-covered glaciers in this region during the last few decades.

Glacial lakes forming as glaciers rapidly recede from the Himalayas. This image clearly shows glacial retreat, and the trasition from ice to water along the way. Each of those long channels is a separate glacial valley. Used in: Geography of Bhutan, Glacier, Glacial motion, Glaciated valley, Himalayas, Global warming.

Promoted Image:Glacial lakes, Bhutan.jpg Raven4x4x 06:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Kosciuszko's Oath

Tadeusz Kościuszko takes oath as leader of Kościuszko Uprising (1794) in Kraków market square. Oil on canvas by Wojciech Kossak

A nice, detailed 19th century painting illustrating an important event in the history of Poland. Uploaded to wiki by User:Emax.

Promoted Image:Przysiega Kosciuszki.jpg Raven4x4x 09:13, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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