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We should probably focus on fixing and clearing up the article on Yugioh first, before dealing with the Abridged series. In comparison to the real Yugioh, it just doesn't seem to fit, although a separate small paragraph about it would be great.

For now, though, can we just focus on dealing with the actual article? It is extremely unclear and is a pain to read. There should definitely be some mention about the other sections of the original Yugioh, such as the oricalcos season, the battle city season, and whatnot. Also, I take offense to that one comment about Yugioh only being interesting because of the abridged series. There are many fans out there who like either the characters/plot, the game, or both. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.44.162.110 (talk) 04:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Abridged Series

Surly somebody here watches YuGiOh the abridged series, but I don't think it's ever mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.71.97 (talk) 14:56, 1 January 2008 (UTC)[reply] 

I AGREE! Actually, if you look up Dan Green, there is a small excerpt that says "I can do anything because I am voiced by Dan Green!" I laughed so hard at that...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.17.118.89 (talk) 22:04, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I seen Yugioh Abridged in a few trivias, such as the Dancing Banana, so if it's refrenced on wikipedia, shoudn't we make an article about it--76.89.21.167 (talk) 01:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No. At best, if it is referenceable it will be mentioned here. It doesn't need a separate article. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Can I ask why this isn't notable, yet things like 8-Bit Theater are? --81.156.26.22 (talk) 05:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It has not received significant coverage in a number of reliable sources. Its a fan made parody of questionable legality, not a legitimate aspect of the series. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 06:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
So all it needs is to be mentioned by a few reliable sources? That's ok then. --81.156.26.22 (talk) 18:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It needs "significant coverage" not a brief mention and they have to be actual reliable sources, not other fansites. If those are provided, then it could be mentioned somewhere in this article. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm gonna be blunt, I know no one who has any interest in Yu-Gi-Oh whatsover, other than the abridged series. 68.228.143.3 (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And this matters in the discussion because? JuJube (talk) 17:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think some people are confusing verifiability with notability, not that it makes any difference to the outcome of this discussion anyway. EvilRedEye (talk) 13:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rather amusingly the latest episode of YGOA starts with Yami announcing "Yu-Gi-Oh! The Abridged Series; According to Wikipedia, we don't exist! " I'm rather surprised it doesn't have an article, or at least a mention, it is easily as popular as many of the rubbish internet things on this site. But perhaps I'm biased as a fan. Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's been said many many times why there is no Wikipedia article for TAS. The Cliffs Notes version: little to no verifiable outside sources write about it - some argue none but the few that do write about it are not enough to overcome the copyright violation issues. JuJube (talk) 05:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What copyright issues? It's not like they're selling DVDs. It's just an internet thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.211.3.178 (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is still a copyright violation. They are illegally using copyrighted character images for their own purposes. Making a profit or selling some sort of physical item is irrelevant. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


Not necessarily, as the Abridged Series is a parody which uses 'some elements of a prior author's composition to create a new one that, at least in part, comments on that author's works' and so can be claimed under the fair use doctrine. 78.33.14.133 (talk) 09:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly. It falls under the parody exemption of fair use. It isn't illegal. Now, whether it is notable is another question. It'd be nice if WikiMedia would partner with Google and make us a Reliable Sources search engine. — trlkly 22:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the notabilty of a subject is still as contested as ever. The more we state that it doesn't fulfill notability criteria, the more arguements arise. I'll admit I'm a fan of the work, but as for its impact, it is still not something that should sit along side an article like this on Wikipedia. 78.33.14.133 (talk) 10:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


I beg to differ about it "not being notable." Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series has spawned many other "abridged series" parodies such as Naruto: The Abridged Series, Yu Yu Hakusho: The Abridged Series, and Avatar: The Abridged Series. These series all have a devoted following, and if you tally up the view count it goes into the millions. Millions of viewers for just the series' combined, and tens-of-millions of viewers (if not a hundred-million) of views if you add up all the episodes.

Moreover, Yu-Gi-Oh: Abridged is the source of many popular jokes and phrases, such as "Screw the rules, I have money!," "Super Special Awesome," and "Mind-Crush!" Also many abridged fans are to be found at many Comic-Cons, such as the 2008 one in San Diego.

More importantly, however, is the matter of the fan-made parody. Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series is the source for fan-made parodies on the internet (or at least it is the acknowledged source). Although the series is technically illegal, if you have an NPOV you will see that it has contributed something "notable" and worthy of some sort of mention. After all, there is an entire article on wikipedia dedicated to "Rick Rolling" (and it is a very good article too). I think that the fan-made parody is a new phenmonon that deserves mention.

This is wikipedia, and open encycolpedia. Knowledge is something universal, and we should not deny knowledge of something just because it is illegal. Rather we should accept it -- though it should be mentioned that it is illegal in the article.

One final note: If you feel that it should not be mentioned on the official Yu-Gi-Oh page, I think that perhaps we should at least create an "Abridged Series" page that can compile information and background on all of the notable abridged series (such as the ones mentioned above). The only problem with this (in both cases) is the citations. I don't know how you go about citing something like this, and if anyone could help to create this "Abridged Series" page, I would be very thankful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SamTheGreek (talk • contribs) 06:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Abridged Series also influenced the 4Kids dub of Yu-Gi-Oh! GX (Saiou mentioning that Kaiba hasn't aged in the last ten years, Sho talking about 'duel camp', and Manjoume claiming that he's "really good at playing card games, because that's what life is all about anyway!"). Lol, just thought I'd point that out. Precis-chan (talk) 07:13, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Original research. :/ JuJube (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You really can't cite it. Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed if even a minor online paper did an article or something, but till then it's still unacceptable to mention it. JuJube (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again, you may feel its notable, but no reliable sources have. Everything else stated is pure original research. We don't deny knowledge because its illegal (though we do deny links), but we also don't mention unnotable, unsourcable stuff. Its own existance is not a valid source for any of those claims. The Dragon Ball and Sailor Moon articles certainly don't mention a certain adult parody running around the net because, while it exists it is not notable. It just exists. Fanfic exists too but we don't talk about it or add tons of links to it because again, its unnnotable. Also, the Abridged Series had a page, it has been deleted multiple times and I strongly advise against recreating it again as it will be CSDed within 24 hours. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 13:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't think you fully understand what I am getting at. You said that we can't have pages dedicacted to fanfics, and I agree. However, wikipedia can have a page dedicated to fanfic -- as in the idea of fanfic. That is what I am getting at. (In fact, wikipedia DOES have an article on fanfic.)

The thing about this "abridged series" is that it is a parody show created by fans (in their own spare time and on their own budget) and viewed by fans (for free). Fans are now recycling material in order to entertain themselves. If you don't think that this is "noteworthy" enough to have its own page, then so be it. But don't you think they should at least mention it somewhere? Maybe as a small section on the YouTube page? Again, there is an article on Rick Rolling. Why not this? (That is, if it can be cited somehow. I understand the difficulty with that, and hopefully someone can come up with a solution.) SamTheGreek (talk) 15:47, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rickrolling has over 40 references, that's why. This doesn't even have one reliable reference discussing it. Why would it be mentioned in the YouTube article, it isn't limited to the site and has nothing to do with it. Such parodies are already covered in the broad sense by the Parody article. Being made by the fans isn't even unique. Been done before. Its not a separate, new kind of parody, people have done it for decades. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 15:51, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
It's not so much the matter of notability but of sourcing. So far, there have been no reliable third-party sources that has covered the "Abridged Series". Simply because it exists isn't enough of a reason to mention it. "It's popular" isn't enough of a reason either. If there are no reliable sources covering it, we can't note it. --Farix (Talk) 17:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
     I agree that it deserves a sentence at least, showing how popular Yu Gi Oh is. GamerSam (talk) 07:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, Farix is right. No sources = Yu-Gi-Oh! Abridged does not exist in our eyes. Once reliable sources start talking about it, it exists. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my gosh, this is like the fourth flippin' convorsation we've had about this. C'mon guys, this page is already sucky enough. — J U M P G U R U ■ask㋐㋜㋗■ 18:10, 8 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I know that this subject has been talked about a lot already, but what about the YGOA home page? Could that be used as a reference? I just thought it would be kinda cool if there was an abridged page on Wikipedia, since there's so many out there. (Both good and bad ones.) Chachi-chama (talk) 21:04, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Guys! Let's put this in perspective: I am a big fan of YTAS, but why on earth would you want an article on YTAS? What would you put in it? "It's a fan made parody made by LittleKuriboh. The End." There are THOUSANDS of videos on the internet that are parodies that do not have their own articles, there are just too many for each one to have it's own article. An abridged series is a parody, which would belong in the Parody Wiki Article (I'm not saying to go put it there). The Parody article already describes fan made parodies, but like I said, it can't name every parody ever.

HOWEVER, [1] the yugioh wikia has an impressive article on YTAS, so in my opinion, there shouldn't be a YTAS article on wikipedia. If you want to edit a YTAS article, then head on over to the link. But drop the discussion over here! 67.180.138.159 (talk) 06:48, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


71.193.165.73 (talk) 03:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've always been amazed that Wikipedia has an article on my high school but not an article on Yugioh the Abridged Series. This is bad and all the jargon about, "verifiability" isn't going to excuse it. If there's interest as there OBIOUSLY is, then there should be a page on it. Wikipedia is a resource, and if people want to write an article on the abridged series that started it all they should certainly be able to.

Aside from the fact that it has had huge impact on not only the fanbase of yugioh (I know dozens of people who only watch the abridged series and despise yugioh) it has also had tremendous effect on the show itself. Season 3 of GX copies several YGOA jokes, from, "with great cards comes great responsibility" to characters bickering over screen time and episodes (yes, they know about episodes).

But aside from all this, Wikipedia used to have a FANTASTIC article about YGOA, but it was deleted. It went to in depth description of each episode and the characters' development. Can't we just bring that article back? People WILL read it and people WILL like it, I know I did. And all the fancy jargon in the world won't make that untrue.

YGOA deserves more than a footnote. It deserves an article.

But a footnote would be nice too.

71.193.165.73 (talk) 03:56, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody cares if people would like it. It does not meet policy, and none of your whining will change that. JuJube (talk) 09:39, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Last time, I argued against putting in an article, but I still think I see a couple contradictions (not sure if that's the right word). One thing I just noticed: Jujube, you're an admin at the Yugioh wiki [2] , yet you seem to have no problem with their YTAS article (the one I linked to earlier). Why is that (hopefully you reply, even though you retired)? Also: Machinimas, such as Red vs Blue use the game Halo along with sound effects from Garageband, dub their voices over it, and sell it for money. This doesn't sound so different from YTAS. Why then, does Red vs Blue have an article? 69.181.132.135 (talk) 04:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So, fictional alcohol deserves its own bloody article, but not an incredibly popular internet series? Really? Are you kidding me? If Homer SImpson's beer of choice has a fecking article, I should think that something people actually care about should have one, don't you agree?

While I'll be the first to say that YTAS is more notable than Duff Beer, that doesn't change the fact that wikipedia doesn't allow OR, which means that unless you can find a source (preferably more) which talk about YTAS, you can't create an article. Well, to put it differently, the question really isn't "Why doesn't wikipedia allow this?" The real question is, why aren't there any significant websites which talk about YTAS? 80.126.65.34 (talk) 05:14, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here, reputable source talking about it: Starbulletin from Honolulu_Star-Bulletin which is apparently the "second largest daily newspaper in the state of Hawaii" according to its own wiki article. I am sure there are more out there. It IS a sensation and can't just be ignored. Also on 4Kids official youtube account, they themselves made a comment about the series saying "Yu-Gi-Oh! is still POPULAR but we'll take anyone's support - btw Yu-Gi-Oh! Abridged is great" so even they recognize it. ~David Craft (talk) 17:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since it seems like you still don't understand what I mean - Everyone keeps saying "I am sure there are more sources out there" like you just did, and I'm sure you're right! But you have to actually LOOK for those sources and post them here, and then people have to agree that those sources are good. I haven't been involved in this argument for long, but it seems to me like not many people have bothered to actually cite any real good sources. 80.126.65.34 (talk) 20:12, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia section

Would you be so kind as to paste the following text to the end of the article, if it suits? 81.183.126.183 (talk) (aka DJS)

Trivia

The term Yu-Gi-Oh does not refer to the protagonist, it is a quip. (Quips are pretty popular among mangas.)

Recreate

I've been a fan of this series ever since it was it was first serialized in Weekly Jump. This article has been dumping ground for all you "4Kids fans". I am planning to merge the first and second series anime to this article, they should not be seperated from their manga orgin. There should be no Trivia sections (See WP:TRIVIA). – J U M P G U R U @Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 20:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The fact that there are several articles of the series seriously violates the manual of style. If the 3 Dragon Ball series can be merged seeing their length, why not Yugioh?Tintor2 (talk) 21:04, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad you wanna help. : ) We shouldn't violate the MOS, as far as i'm concerned, the whole article needs to be redone. – J U M P G U R U @Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 21:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You mean the yugioh series that classed as series 0? if so Support there basically the same just the animation changed in the one that everyone knows today :)--Andrewcrawford (talk) 22:00, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would be against merging the anime articles as they are different series made by different production companies with different storylines, and other than being based from the same manga, they have nothing in common. I would suggest they be renamed "Yu-Gi-Oh! (anime)" and "Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters (anime)", though. JuJube (talk) 22:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, so Dragon Ball Z did get merged. I would have been against that, too, but precedent has been set, I suppose. JuJube (talk) 22:31, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dont think any precident for dragonball would apply here since they tell the story of the same characters while some fo the yugioh series have storylines only loosely connected to characters in the original. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.111.105.31 (talk) 03:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I'd have already tagged it awhile back, but just didn't want to deal with another one while all the DB stuff was going on. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 22:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
Might be a good idea to merge yu-gi-oh capsule monsters too--Andrewcrawford (talk) 07:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I want make this clear, and please read: I did not say to merge Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, Yu-Gi-Oh! R, or 5D's. I'm talking about the first and second series anime. I'll just get right down to the point.....THIS ARTICLE IS A COMPLETE TRAINWRECK, AND WE ARE GOING TO BASICALLY RECREATE THE WHOLE THING. – J U M P G U R U @Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 18:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support :) What about capsule monsters it is basically 12 episode that where made exclusive for america after series 5?Andrewcrawford (talk) 19:27, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, 12 episodes, you're right, that should definatly be merged. – J U M P G U R U @Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 19:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning the character pages...

Everything is messy, unstructured and uncited. Someone needs to pick up the manga, a databook, or watch the anime again so we can make a fully structured list which looks nice and clean. Since Takahasi has just refused to place any concept/creation information in any of the manga volumes, it safe to say none of the characters deserve an article. Whose with me on this? RedEyesMetal (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds about right for me. I think maybe Yugi Mutou could stand alone, for sheer reception info, but I'd agree its time to clean up the character list, and start merging in articles. I usually recommend starting with the minors and working up from there. For sourcing, I would note whoever tackles it, please remember {{cite book}} and {{cite episode}} for sourcing the manga/databooks and anime, respectively. Also, take a look at List of Naruto characters for an FL character list and inspiration. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:49, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I've already made my position clear on this. Yugi and Seto Kaiba clearly "deserve" articles. The Scoobies (Jounouchi, Honda and Anzu) should have them as well as the major villains of each story arc. Everything else I don't object to smerging. JuJube (talk) 23:21, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think Shaggy (Joey or Jounouichi) could stand its own article. He has a big role in the series in comparison to the other scoobies and he appears in two cards of the games.Tintor2 (talk) 23:35, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To respond, even Yugi can't get reception! Ya think that YGO, being one of the biggest, most populat tv series' in both Japan and USA would ahve some character reception....RedEyesMetal (talk) 12:42, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I say only yugi, kaiba and joey should have character pages as they are the main one throughout the series, the rest should be in minor characters--Andrewcrawford (talk) 16:17, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Whether or not a character gets their own article is a matter of notability (aka significant third-party coverage of the subject); it has nothing to do with their importance within the series. The Seto Kaiba article doesn't cite any sources and is merely a giant plot summary, the other articles aren't any better. The only reason Yugi Mutou might remain as an independent article would be based on his sheer recognizablity. As is stands now, none of the independent characters articles meet the requirements of WP:Notability and unless some significant improvements to the articles are made, I would recommend keeping the character coverage on the character lists. --Kraftlos (talk) 07:52, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 10:59, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Little problem I'd fix if the page wasn't protected.

Jakala said that while the commercials for the second series anime made the anime appear "unexpectedly dark and moody," the comic "is unexpectedly dark and moody."

That ought to read 'anime appear "completely uninteresting"', as you can see by reading the review (reference 12). You shouldn't have to, though, it's pretty obvious he can't have said that.79.182.40.36 (talk) 14:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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