Talk:AFI (band)

Former Name

They were also known at one point as "Anthems for Insubordinance". It's written on the back of one of their old CDs. Very Proud of Ya, or Answer That and Stay Fashionable.

Source please. - -The Spooky One (talk to me) 04:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

It was Anthems For Insubordinates. Observe the bottom right of the second picture from the top. Which if you ask me just goes to show that the name of the band has never been anything other than AFI, and it's "stood for" whatever they felt like at the time. I'd be inclined to refer to all the meanings as backronyms, at any rate. --Blue Dream (talk) 13:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I remember reading an interview with Davey Havok in I think either (UK magazines) Kerrang or Rock Sound around the time of Sing the Sorrow where he explicitly stated that AFI was originally a meaningless name that was not an acronym for anything. I remember he said something about how a bunch of bands he was into at the time had three letter acronym type names and he just thought AFI sounded cool. It never stood for anything at the time.92.236.245.163 (talk) 19:30, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

As Blue Dream pointed out, it's likely a Backronym. - -' The Spook (TALK) _{(Share the Love with Barnstars)} 21:57, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I think it should possibly be offered a section, such as in Anberlin's article, where their jokes/lies were revealed to be incorrect. It seems they just make up a new meaning every now and then, so maybe we should just leave the lead as AFI, with a sourced section describing the situation. kiac (talk) 11:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

• sigh* asking for it was the name of the band's post box in their early days, and anthems for insubordinates was their publishing company. they had a theme of making everything have the afi initials. it stood for nothing, and they'd give out random stuff when people asked what it stood for, such as abuncha fucking idiots. --Gpmuscillo (talk) 21:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

So it's a backronym, or whatever they call them. Sources? k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 03:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Ultimate Guitar is not a reliable source. I've never actually heard them called Asking For It. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marky Maz (talk • contribs) 22:32, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

It's on the liner notes on a couple of their albums... - -' The Spook (TALK) _{(Share the Love with Barnstars)} 23:42, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but that doesn't prove anything. All that proves is: 'The band has used the letters AFI in front of a selection of different sayings, that can sometimes be assumed to be the letters' meaning'. Or something alone those lines. It doesn't say: 'AFI means this' or 'AFI meant that'. As gpmuscillo said "they had a theme of making everything have the afi initials, it stood for nothing,". k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

We need to do away with the whole "name" section. a simple line in the first paragraph is enough: "AFI, short for A Fire Inside..." or something that effect. that section doesn't really add much to the article and can be considered "trivia", which is also something that doesn't deserve its own section

The point is: Most of the names are just bull shit made up by the band, the band's name is AFI. Either there's a section on how they make these names up, or there's nothing. There is nothing saying it is part of their name, or anything official, just because it's on a cover does not mean they are saying "our band name is A Fire Inside" or whatever you are assuming. Trivia sections are not encouraged, though it is more useful than falsely stating the band's name in the lead sentence. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 08:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear that the reason there's no clear answer is because there isn't one. I say we simply get rid of the name section, and add in the title that since 1998, the initials have stood for A Fire Inside, and perhaps add that the origin of the name is debated.--Gpmuscillo (talk) 12:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

There shouldn't be a question about what AFI stands for, I found an interview with Davey where he explains the Anthems for Insubordinates that was placed on the back of their CDs because he says "We had a publishing company called Anthems for Insubordinates once..." and "The Place where you write to us is Asking for it". The interview is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIjKw48DshY. Even if they've said something else in the past, their name is what they want it to be and officially, it's A Fire Inside. I'd say if people insist on other names being there, there should be a separate section listing past meanings of the acronyms and where the title came from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kylegu3 (talk • contribs) 08:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Mark's nickname

The Artist still known as Mark is not a pun. It's a reference to Prince. A pun is a single word or phrase with multiple meanings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.36.44.45 (talk) 00:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

lol Prince.XMakeshiftx (talk) 08:04, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Emo?

I don't agree with this label. I mean, this need to stop. Labeling every band now with the "emo" tag? And Tokio Hotel too? Panic at The Disco? Fall Out Boy? I mean come on! Please, I like emo, but this doesn't make any sense. I just want to stop this nonsense in wikipedia. Just take out the "emo" tag of bands that evidently are not emo. xwexarexbulletsx (hitmeup - the past) 08:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)EXACTLY.

You copied my tag!!! lol. To mark your name, you just put in four tildes (below the ESC button on your keyboard). Anyway, it is not OUR decision as wikipedia editors as to whether a band has an emo style of music or not, just because your opinion does not agree, doesn't mean you can edit or change it - this is known as original research. Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to work, this is why trusted and notable published works are used as references - they are the ones that have called AFI emo, which is why we must use their word. If you remove a sourced emo tag, it will be reverted and tagged as vandalism. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 12:05, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh, because Davey had black hair we are going to call their MUSIC emo? Oh yeah that makes perfect sense. - fixed.

NewYorkStyledCheesecakes! (talk) 20:46, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Nevermind. But I agree with you xwexarexbulletsx! :D And I would never call them "Emo" ;)XMakeshiftx (talk) 07:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Genreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess

Please people, is allmusic.com a god-source?

I'm sure that the website, when categorizing various AFI albums, intended on describing the genre of the music as an intermediary, or, perhaps, a fusion of the various genres listed. I love the band, but, come on, "goth rock"? You're not going to find yourself excusing more than half of their songs as that even though the genre is definitely visible in a scattered number of their songs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jotsko (talk • contribs) 11:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

How about you got find some sources to backup YOUR claims. Wikipedia has policies preventing users to post their own opinion, No original research, the sources say otherwise so don't friggen change it. Sick to death of you people. If you want to put your own little bs 'dark punk' genres in, go start your own website and stop pissing off the people that maintain this site. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 02:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me for that. 'Dark punk' is just as thoroughly biased, but, with its connotative quality, I find that the term is a lot more open to suggestion than, say, 'goth rock' which has had a relatively strict definition. So, to attempt to only accessorize, not genre-ize, the 'dark' quality to their mid-to-later works, I put it as an addition to the generally accepted periodical musical genres. Jotsko (talk) 07:07, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Hm, how about we use what the band calls itself? I believe that's as credible as one can get. They've definitely said they've based their work on punk, but have evolved musically into an undefinable genre. Ha, can't find the interview (lol, a pun) Read the ones under press at afireinside.com/media/default.aspx --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 01:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, finally someone who makes sense, haha. Thank you, Divya da animal lover. (And nice pun, lol ;))XMakeshiftx (talk) 07:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

AFI is not emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.78.86 (talk) 03:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

All music guide

Should all music guide be listed as a source for genres? A number of people have found what it says incredibly inconsistent, and I know on other articles like the Green Day one, theres been consensus to ignore it.Hoponpop69 (talk) 03:10, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

That's Green Day, this is AFI. I go with the fact that their opinion counts for more than ours - which it does. We can't just go "Hey, i disagree, that's crap" - that's original research. Go get some guideline changed (you might find some success like the removal of genres suggestion!!!!) or just be happy that it has some sources for the genres in the first place. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 07:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Begin Transmission, Charlotte mystery, etc.

New album announced! this should be included, along with information about how there has been a contest to get five fans to perform with the band on the new album. Also, preceding the release of Decemberunderground, the Despair Faction participated in a massive mystery contest. Information: http://panasonicyouth.buzznet.com/user/journal/19310/ --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 01:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Haha Crash Love :DXMakeshiftx (talk) 08:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

-waiting impatiently- --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 20:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Decemberunderground is now a CERTIFIED PLATINUM album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.124.250 (talk) 15:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

This band is amazing, and i like men

I cant believe this band is not under emo they are mega emo, more emo then GAyfi. i would not consider this band anything other then emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.12.46 (talk) 01:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

They're not emo. You need to be able to give a good, reliable reference then maybe somebody will put that up as emo, but because you don't your just another fan giving an opinion. Upliftmofopartyplan226 (talk) 17:14, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

How about we use what AFI calls themselves? Most credible, is it not? It was once punk, but now is punk-electronic (mostly contributed to many compositions intended for electro alubum CexCells by Blaqk Audio turned into songs for Decemberunderground). Please get your facts right rather than comment angrily about your "beliefs". As I stated before: "Hm, how about we use what the band calls itself? I believe that's as credible as one can get. They've definitely said they've based their work on punk, but have evolved musically into an undefinable genre. Ha, can't find the interview (lol, a pun) Read the ones under press at afireinside.com/media/default.aspx".

And "liking men" has nothing to do with their genre (and is an insulting and prejudiced statement that should not go tolerated). Jade Puget is getting married this year (to a woman) and Davey just recently broke up with his girlfriend, because these must be the band members you are referring to as they are the more public members and you seem not to be so very familiar with the band. --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 22:56, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

We currently have sources for the "emo" tag, so it stays. The initial poster of this section is clearly contributing nothing of worth and I suggest this section just be removed/archived. The only point I would like to make, in response to the above user, is that a band itself is not a reliable source. The first thing that comes to mind is "Who would know a band's music better than themselves?", but there are two problems. Firstly, a band may know their own music, but this is meaningless without context. Being in a band just means you can play an instrument, it doesn't qualify you as a professional music journalist who knows a lot about various genres and bands within them. Secondly, a band is a first party source, and thus biased.

Wikipedia is filled with examples of not using a band's own opinion (Korn denying being nu metal, Lemmy saying Motorhead isn't metal, the same thing with Deep Purple, and so on). Prophaniti (talk) 23:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I see my faults. Thanks! But punk/dark electronic should also be added, especially since Wiki itself has stated several times that the first five albums were indeed hardcore punk, not emo. --Divya da animal lvr (talk) 23:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

If you can find sources for punk/dark electronic, then I see no problem. Likewise, if there are sources saying that their early work can't be classed as emo, or that this was a later development, then I'd also see no problem making that distinction clear. As per, it all just comes down to the sources. Prophaniti (talk) 17:51, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I'm pretty sure that was a troll, you guys XDD. And Upliftmofopartyplan226, I hope to God that wasn't a fan lol. EDIT: Prophaniti, Davey knows a shitton about music, no joke lol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by XMakeshiftx (talk • contribs) 07:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

New album and tour

I'd just like to add that the new album title actually hasn't been officially announced, and that the summer tour hasn't been confirmed. Hunter mentioned touring in the summer in an interview, but in a separate interview Davey said they would only tour if they had finished the new album - March, 12

The new album has certainly been announced, unless I have misunderstood the change in the website. --DMP47 (talk) 22:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

"AFI is an American hardcore punk band" intro sentence

It's also worth noting that allmusic continues to list hardcore punk as one of their genres throughout their releases all the way up to today. It notes an increasingly wide spectrum of influences, but nevertheless, according to that source they are still playing hardcore punk. If you can provide sources that contradict it, that say "They don't still play hardcore punk", then you've got a case. Prophaniti (talk) 20:28, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

All music is an unreliable sack of shit for music genres. Here are multiple sources saying they are no longer a Hardcore punk band [1][2][3][4] Hoponpop69 (talk) 03:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Hoponpop, even if they no longer write/market 'hardcore punk' those songs still exist, and are by the band. Therefore, the genre still fits. Landon1980 (talk) 04:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes the genre still belongs on the page but not in the intro sentence. The Beastie Boys were once a hardcore band, those songs still exist, but their intro sentence does not describe them as a hardcore punk band because like AFI they now primarily play a different genre of music.Hoponpop69 (talk) 16:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Intro

Shouldn't the article begin by saying: 'AFI are a rock band' rather than a 'band' to make the intro more specific and relevant to the band. DespairDavid (talk) 16:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

It gets changed daily, i gave up. k-i-a-c (hitmeup - the past) 17:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

LOL I saw the title and thought it was about the fact that there won't be an intro on Crash Love. XDXMakeshiftx (talk) 08:20, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Another Bassist?

Former members should be updated to include Frank Vicario, who was in the band while Hunter was helping the band record Shut Your Mouth. Davey had just confirmed this information as truth on the ASK AFI board: http://despairfaction.com/showthread.php?t=128816 Does require a member login. However for those without a login, there is this interview which is mentioned in the ASK AFI thread: http://www.synthesis.net/music/interview/item-4/1997-11-01-punk_on_the_brain

Davey goes on to explain how Hunter was not an "actual" member of the band, just helping out with recording. Frank was asked to join since his band was breaking up. AFI toured with Hunter and realized they wanted to make him an official member. There are some promo pics taken with Davey, Adam, Mark and Frank; no Hunter present. If not updated, interview is an interesting read that is not all well known. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.149.252.50 (talk) 09:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: Nevermind, I read your post wrong. Lol, "Aight" XDXMakeshiftx (talk) 08:13, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

AFI Albums

Decemberundergroun is in fact now AFI's second platinum album. the main wikipage is wring- DU is a platinum album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.197.124.250 (talk) 15:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)