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Nintendo DSi

The Nintendo DSi should become a seperate article after Oct 3rd because most of the system specs will be available by then. 12:08 EST October 2nd 2008 Gursagar Sekhon

Will somebody check back on the camera resolutions? i heard 3MP on the exterior and .3MP on the interior.Firehazel (talk) 23:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Most of the system specs are currently available. -Zomic13 (talk) 13:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Split proposal

Since there has been a recurring issue of this article being for both Nintendo DS platform in general as well as the original model specifically (most recently with Wjs13's attempt at a Nintendo DS range page), I figured that perhaps it would be worth discussing a split of "DS Phat" material into a separate article. This article has been in need of a good cleanup for quite some time, and think this would provide a good opportunity to trim things down and tighten the focus. Dancter (talk) 20:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

While I agree that a cleanup is needed, I'm not sure that a separate page for the original iteration is needed. I'm afraid that that page would simply a rehash of this very page. I do have a suggestion though: if this goes through, I think we should move the Nintendo DS overview page to Nintendo DS line (like the Game Boy line article) and move the description of the original DS to Nintendo DS. --Thaddius (talk) 14:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Your link is malformed. Therefore it is fail. 98.226.32.129 (talk) 03:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

In order to decide this I think we should use Game Boy as an example. Currently the article Game Boy is about the original system. The article Game Boy line discusses all of them. I think this is how the article should be split (if it were to be split), with "Nintendo DS" being the original system and "Nintendo DS line" covering all three. However, since we're still in the first generation of Nintendo DS systems, I'm not sure if it is worth it to split yet. For example, Game Boy Advance is very similar to the current Nintendo DS article. It would be a matter of whether people felt the Nintendo DSi was different enough to warrant being considered a "third pillar" as Nintendo has suggested. It might. -Zomic13 (talk)03:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to go off-topic, but Nintendo never called the DSi a "third pillar", they referred to it as "the third model of the Nintendo DS platform". Rhonin the wizard (talk) 06:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

A lot of the live reports used the term "third pillar" at the time. -Zomic13 (talk) 03:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

DS, DS lite, and DSi all play the same DS carts. That's like making the PS3 and PS3 Slim two different articles. Make a new page when the Nintendo DS 2 comes out with better graphics and totally different carts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.167.142.147 (talk) 13:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Newer Sales Information?

Do we have any more recent sales information? The 'units sold' number is about 4 months old. 142.68.223.93 (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Nintendo releases sales data every quarter (three months). The next release is due one week from today (next Friday). Zomic13 (talk) 20:03, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Listing every thing it CAN'T emulate is just not a good idea

Not at all 'more precise' "the DS cannot emulate Nintendo 64, Playstation, PS2, Dreamcast, Gamecube, Xbox, Playstation 3, Nintendo Wii or Xbox 360"

It also can't emulate GBA, and a dozen other things. I'll go add them all. 76.236.181.243 (talk) 05:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Can Gameboy games be played on the DS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.197.83 (talk) 01:06, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

No mention of "counterfeit" consoles

The UK press today is carrying stories about fake Nintendo consoles, e.g. [1]. Surprised to find no mention here of what is presumably an established "issue". Nick Cooper (talk) 14:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Critical reception

Might be redundant in many people's opinion, but I think a lot of readers of this page would look for such a thing. If anyone wants to write about it, I personally think it would be a goood addition to the article. Sle (talk) 13:12, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

stylus?

please help me get into the chatroom if you know how email me telling me how at trevor072@comcast.net —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trevor072 (talk • contribs) 22:35, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Pictochat is not online. To chat with someone, you have to be within one hundred physical feet, and that's when the weather is perfect. If there's any disturbance, even a simple fog, the maximum distance will decrease.

I know, it's retarded, but that's the way Nintendo has it set up.Wikieditor1988 (talk) 15:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

is there an internet game you can by or something? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.168.197.83 (talk) 01:11, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Nonsense unit

The page currently says the DS is "capable of rendering about 120,000 triangles per second at 60 frames per second". I shouldn't have to explain why this is ambiguous. It either renders 120,000 triangles at 60 frames per second or 120,000 triangles per second; obviously the latter since the N64 does about 100K a second. Sadly the source link seems to be down and all over the internet the number is quoted with the same ambiguous unit. For now I'll just drop the "at 60 frames per second". (edit) Actually, scratch that. The 60 FPS thing is explained below. Still I think the article is clearer with just the explanation since "X triangles per second at X FPS per second" is just odd. 145.99.155.53 (talk) 14:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Controversy and criticism section

I've added a section on this article about controversy and criticism. I know it has no citation (because I don't know where to find it), but I know it's true. Besides, without this section, I find the article to be largely unneutral, so please, instead of removing the section, just cite what I already know is true.Wikieditor1988 (talk) 15:46, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Just wanted to explain my reasons for deleting the "Controversy and criticism" section. Besides not citing any information whatsoever, it made heavy use of weasel words (e.g. "many naysayers"), and made huge generalizations ("The DS, like any pop culture phenomenon, has been the subject of as much criticism as it has acclaim"). It's also tough to find references for information that is just plain wrong (saying the holiday season of 2004 was "slow" for instance – it sold close to 2 million units right off the bat)! I think there can certainly be a balanced and well cited criticism section here, but this is not the way to start one. Aibara (talk) 16:41, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

How is that "huge generalization" any more than common knowledge? Also, when I said that the holiday season was "slow," I meant its software titles were coming out rather slow. I guess I should have specified that, and I apologize for that.

Anyway, this is not just a matter of whether there can be a well balanced and well cited criticism section; it's a matter of whether or not there should be one. Without it, this entire article is way too neutral; I've read most of the article, and it seems to be praising the DS more than anything, like most of the contributors are Nintendo fanboys. A criticism section is necessary, otherwise you may as well sell this article on an infomercial (meaning it has poor, exaggerated quality). Delete my section, but please, replace it with your own. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditor1988 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Lack of citations

There are several whole sections, and several parts within sections, that do not have references. This problem has been flagged up for a long time. I will not remove these sections for now, but I do intend to revisit the article later; if the references are not in place, then the sections will be removed. 01:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Please add some more information about the architecture

It mentions that the 3D rendering is done by a chip with separate software and data memory. Is the software memory for this chip ROM? And why is the triangle count limited? Does it use some kind of raytracing, or does it render in two or more phases, requireing all triangle data to stay in memory? If it is the last, why didn't the developers make it possible for the application running to resend the triangle data? And what does the DS architecture look like from a software point of view? What does a typical game to on startup, on render, when saving or loading games, etc? 82.139.87.235 (talk) 18:53, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

R4. Nothing here about the R4DS - not even a link

Which is ubiquitous in some parts of the world, if not the USA. R4 is the brand name for a microSD/USB flash memory adapter for the DS.

Apart from that, what I was actually after was some information about the memory card format for the DS. Does "proprietary" mean "unique" or is it just a SD or MMC card? It looks like the DS adapter will slot into any SD reader? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.214.18.240 (talk) 23:11, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually, the memory card format is microSD. You know, the memory container as large as your thumbnail? --Macweirdo (talk) 12:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Link to R4 Ds Roms Page

Hi there, can we add to the external links the site www.free-ds-roms.com it is a very good resource for the users. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Badboy pro (talk • contribs) 10:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Definitely not. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 12:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you kidding?--Macweirdo (talk) 12:10, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Nintendo DS/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

GA Sweeps: Delisted

As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I believe the article currently has multiple issues that need to be addressed, and as a result, I have delisted the article. There are several tags in the article, many from 2008, as well as some dated back to 2007. Add additional citations from a variety of sources to provide a balanced representation of the information present. Perhaps sources can be pulled from the main articles linked to within the article. Look to books, magazines, newspaper articles, other websites, etc. The lead should also be expanded to better summarize the article, see WP:LEAD guidelines. Although the article has been delisted, the article can be return to GA status by addressing the above points and giving the article a good copyedit. Once sources are added and cleanup is done, I recommend renominating the article at WP:GAN. If you disagree with this assessment, a community consensus can be reached at WP:GAR. If you need clarification or assistance with any of these issues, please contact me on my talk page and I'll do my best to help you out. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge

I think we should merge the DS and DS lite pages together as the DS lite is just a update not a new version like the DSi

--Spazturtle (talk) 18:11, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

The DSLite is considerably different to the ds and has enough information specific to it to justify its own article. The DSi is not a "new version" of anything but only another update to the nintendo ds that still primarily plays the same games.Previous "updates" to nintendo handhelds have individual pages because they are necessary to convey detailed information on them. The DSLite article should remain as it is as you have not presented a single valid reason to merge it. (Vadde (talk) 23:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC))

Actulary the DSI plays its own games as well as ds games, so it is the same direrence bettwen the GBA and DS --Spazturtle (talk) 13:56, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you talking about DSiWare? Because there are currently no dsi exclusive cartridges all ds cartridges are for all ds systems.The ds uses a different cartridge to the gba for its games but the dsi uses the same ones as the ds so until dsi exclusive games are released it is still only an update. Anyway there is still no reason to merge the ds and dslite articles especially since the dslite has a section in the ds article already. (Vadde (talk) 07:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC))

A example of a dsi only game is LOZ:Spirit Tracks it is due for relese in december, the DSi supports carts of hight cappacity. The DSi also use a new OS and bios the DS and DSlite use the same onethe DS and DSlite have the same amount of RAM, the same prossesor, and most of the chips are the same, while the DSi on the other hand has more RAM, a better prossesor and most of its chips are new. So as you can see the DS and DSlite are practicly the same just diferent casses

--Spazturtle (talk) 12:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

A bit off-topic, but do you have a source stating that Spirit Tracks will be DSi-specific? -sesuPRIME 03:45, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to see a source stating that spirit tracks is dsi only as all information i've seen says it might have extra features on dsi but not be dsi only. Turns out there is going to be one dsi only game soon though:http://kotaku.com/5350362/monster-finder-announced-as-first-dsi+only-game (Vadde (talk) 07:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC))

as i say below the articles should be merged. The person who states they are considerably different is talking nonsense. These pages get padded out with non-encyclopedic content like bundles etc that ruin the article. And what is said above is a misunderstanding of whats been stated. The DSi can have DS carts with added DSi-specific features, these cartridges have been confirmed to be region locked. I assume at some point there will be DSi-only cartridges, but we're talking about a time when the DSlite isn't sold anymore, if ever. LoZ is not DSi only. That would be suicide chocobogamer mine 17:01, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo DS Revolution

Someone posted that the so-called "DS revolution (or DSR)" is supposed to be released by 2011. I've never heard of a DSR and can't find anything online about it. Please cite your source or I will delete the info about the DSR. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.145.15.83 (talk • contribs) 18:44, September 27, 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo have released the DSi XL but that's the only recent release for a while to come according to many sources. It's related to the Wii because Revolution was what the Wii was going to be called before the name Wii was decided, apparently.. It must be someone just messing around and vandalising the article. Chevymontecarlo. 19:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

The "DSR" is going to be real, it's called the 3DS, found this info on gamespot. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6254031.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory;more IronStorm42 (talk) 06:23, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

why must every hardware revision spin off?

its really annoying as an editor and reader seeing the DS & PSP pages spin off into other pages for resized models. It doesn't add anything to Wikipedia, in fact it takes away by having to add non-encyclopedic material like every bundle ever made to make it look more than a stub. The DS articles should have 2 pages most - DS+DSlite & DSi+DSiXL and the PSP the same - PSP+PSPslims & PSPGo. It means people can spend a lot longer on making the articles excellent than 3 or 4 average-to-poor articles. The DSlite/XL/PSP2000/3000 are pretty much just bigger or smaller versions of the same console, with a few added novelties (pspwise like tv out and a mic etc) but these things need little more than a sentence or two and a picture. The only bundles that should ever be mentioned are limited edition ones - where the console itself is different to normal (colour/pattern etc) not what game it comes with. These articles look ridiculous chocobogamer mine 15:19, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be the editor base and motivation to make the approach work directly, as it does for things like the iPhone. This is in part due to the difficulty in removing or condensing excessive or superfluous content, which I have repeatedly griped about. I'm trying to find the opportunity to do significant work on other articles which are a higher priority for me, but if you're willing to start a draft of an overhauled article, I'd be willing to contribute. I think a fresh start would be good. Dancter (talk) 18:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

I will get around to it with this article eventually lol. I did the PSP articles easily, but it immediately got reverted on the DSi/DSiLL merger, illogically the reason was 'wait until after release'. Prevention is better than cure, the way the PSP articles had become, 3/4's of the page was bundle information! not even limited edition bundles just every bundle available. there seems to be a bit more Nintendo fanboyism than with the PSP as nobody minded it but the DSi was reverted.. even tho the LL page was considered a stub! lol. I think that there should be seperate pages for the DS series and DSi series, and the PSP series and PSPgo, as they are majorly internally different. There seems to be a complete lack of logic in what needs its own page. chocobogamer mine 16:56, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

question

does DS stand for double screen?--70.253.83.195 (talk) 00:14, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

According to Nintendo's FAQ, DS stands for both " Developers' System", as it gives game developers new tools to design games with, and "dual screen", for obvious reasons. Please remember to ask questions like this not pertaining to the article itself at the reference desk, that is the most appropriate place where you will most likely get a better answer. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 00:28, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

-- I edited the page to correct vandalism that somehow made it say Manufactuer is Mr.Brown.

) I forgot to label my edit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryaxnb (talk • contribs) 15:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Lifetime sales

With the DS passing lifetime sales of ALL Game Boys, why is this not mentioned? Here's a link to prove that the DS has outsold every version of Game Boy combined: http://www.mcvuk.com/news/38841/DS-passes-Game-Boys-lifetime-sales Please someone put in the article that the DS is now more successful than Game Boy!!! The original, color, advance, etc all total 118.69 million, and now the DS has passed that sales total! This needs to be in the article somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.206.21.58 (talk) 20:35, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Now that the 3DS is coming out I seriously think the DS and DSlite pages need merging. There is a LOT of pointless information on both pages, and after all, its only a redesign, nothing major is different. I did the same thing with the PSP and slims and the page is much better due to this. The articles as they are are so poor and there is no reason there are 2 pages for one thing chocobogamer mine 12:15, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

^^Agree, the DS -> DSlite jump isn't nearly as big as the DS -> 3DS jump, and I feel this should be accentuated by merging the DS and lite articles and making the next separate article be for the 3DS. The jump to the Dslite is really just an update, not really a new console.AiTouch (talk) 22:05, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Disagree, It can be argued that the DS Lite is the reason behind the DS' success, and that the hinge problem being irrelevant and somewhat significant warrants the split. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 23:55, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Reply OR with the success theory - the original was outselling the PSP so theres no proof produceable that the DSlite made it a success... of the almost 6 years the DS has been out, the DSlite has contributed over 4 years of sales so it would naturally outsell something which had a lifespan of about 18 months. also a design fault does not warrant a seperate page. at the moment the ps2 is still the best selling console, and despite 3 major incarnations and several versions of each incarnation, it only has one page. it also had several problems in hardware - blue disc error, ps2 slim not being able to play all ps2 games due to the hybrid chip. your reasoning is understandable but not enough to warrant split articles chocobogamer mine 21:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Just because I didn't include a reference next to my statement does not make it original research. In the same span of time as the Nintendo DS, the DS Lite did much more sales. I can tell you that the DS "Phat" was certainly not responsible for having the best single weeks of sales for a console in Japan in its entire history. Was the DS Lite, in December of 06. And no one argued for splitting them, because they are already split. The question is whether there's any need to merge. That the original DS was never surpassed by PSP ww means nothing, since neither were lighting up the charts. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 22:54, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

see that is just OR. "the original DS didn't light up sales" - in the time before the lite came out it sold 15M. Thats a lot in 18 months, yes the DSlite sales were massive and it was a massive leap in sales, but it doesn't warrant a seperate article by any means "woooow it sold so many, its the same but the sales are that much more" garbage. Again with the PS2, still record sales holder, only has one article despite all the different models. There is no reason for a split purely as there is only a size and screen difference - this does not require a whole other article, and the DS does not need what would be five articles for 3 consoles. chocobogamer mine 13:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Disagree I strongly disagree with a merger. The DS Lite was such a drastic change from the original DS in both design and sales that I can't support it being merged. Something like the DSi XL being merged into the DSi is understandable but this is completely unnecessary. BW21.--BlackWatch21 21:41, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

again, sales don't warrant a seperate article, and it wasn't a drastic design change. The GUI is the same, the features the same, all the buttons are the same, a few in a different position but thats it. there is nothing to warrant anything more than a well detailed segment of this page. again, the ps2 slims doesn't have a seperate pages despite it being the biggest selling game console of all time, and your agreement about the DSi being ok to merge just completes your illogical disagreement. The PSP 1/2/3000 pages are merged despite the fact the 2000 adds features (TV out), software based features, and the 3000 adds a microphone and further features. far more than anything the lite added to the DS

The DS article should be about the DS and lite as they are the same hardware, then a seperate DSi and DSiXL article as it has improved hardware and more features, then a seperate 3DS (and any resize) article for the same reason. It is only pro-lite bias that is making people think they should be seperate. From the neutral POV (I have a DS (dead), lite, DSi) the only differences r size and better screen and battery. Oh look I summed it up in a sentence chocobogamer mine 22:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The reason I suggested that the DSi XL be merged into the DSi is well first it has DSi in its name. Second there were no drastic changes in the hardware or design except making everything bigger. Whereas the DS Lite had an update in design, hardware and rejuvenated the DS's sales. I see where you’re coming from with the PSP and PS2, but I feel the DS Lite needs its separate article. BW21.--BlackWatch21 15:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

the hardware changes between the XL and DSi are in the exact same vein as the lite to the DS, different screen, battery, form factor and colour scheme/finish. 'hardware changes in the lite', the only real change was that the logic board was smaller and a few IC's, capacitors and transistors were removed, and the more modern nanometer IC's were used, which is natural progression. There are far more differences between the 60GB US and 40GB UK PS3's than the DS and DSlite. removal of a main component - the emotion engine, less USB's, no memory card readers, lower nm chipsets. no seperate articles. the sales again do not warrant a seperate article. Christ, when the fat PS2 was dwindling, different colours rejuvinated sales. Do we have a seperate article? No, as its the same hardware! the title thing, exactly the same - when the DS lite came out there was only the DS - therefore, as with the DSiXL it indicated it was a resized, normal DS, which it was. Does the lite play games the DS can't? No, vice versa? No! Put simply, its a smaller DS. The only reason you can want a seperate lite article is because you have a bias for it. Your reasons are contradicted by your own arguments. Don't exaggerate information to make it sound more important than it is. chocobogamer mine 17:54, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Also, theres more arguments for a seperate DSiXL article than DSlite, as its sold alongside the normal and its targetted at a different, older audience etc. Whereas the DSlite was just a replacement for the DS, sold alonside purely while stocks were run dry. chocobogamer mine 18:20, 24 June 2010 (UTC)