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This article is in bad shape
According to WP:SOAPS (the soap opera wikiproject), there are many problems with this article. Nothing establishes the notability of the character, there are no sources of any kind supplied, the storyline/summary should be 500 to 1,000 words long, and it shouldn't include information only interesting to fans of the show (WP:CRUFT). This article fails on all these points and more. Unless someone supplies some sources and starts fixing things in this article I think the only thing to do is to delete everything except the lead paragraph and infobox. SQGibbon (talk) 02:51, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
These Bold and the Beautiful character articles (and possibly most soap character articles) are all in bad shape; and my attempts to clean a few up—by at least correcting the verb tense, condensing information, removing superfluous information and correcting attempts to pretend that when soap writers revise a character's history, the original history simply vanishes—have already met with resistance. If editors refuse to allow these pages to at least look halfway presentable, much less meet Wikipedia standards, they should probably be deleted or merged. The article on the One Life to Live character, Todd Manning, while way overlong, at least has the right idea. -- JustinSpurlin (talk) 05:09, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly I don't know what to do. I have absolutely no interest in or knowledge of this show or these characters. I can recognize articles that are nowhere near Wikipedia standards and I can delete a bunch of stuff but there's nothing much I can do to help build good articles. It's really going to take someone who knows the show and the characters as well as Wikipedia guidelines and policy to make a real change throughout the soap opera project. If you have the energy/passion to do the work I can help out in purely technical manners and in talk page discussions. It would be nice to salvage the articles instead of merging or stubifying them but if those are the only realistic choices then that's what should happen. The Todd Manning article is too long but on quick glance it seems well-sourced and full of information about the cultural significance of the character and not just fan ramblings about the in-universe details of the character. If only we could get the rest of these articles anywhere near that level ... SQGibbon (talk) 07:53, 3 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
