Talk:Benbulbin

Benbulbin was a Geography and places good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
March 14, 2010	Good article nominee	Not listed

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Thank You

Thank you for this article, Billy227 and Tim.bounceback. You both appear to be commited to the further enrichment of Wikipedia and Wikipedia's purpose. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.159.230.60 (talk) 22:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Start-class

This might be worth moving up to start-class - can anyone give me their opinion on the matter? Tim.bounceback^{(talk | contribs | ubxen)} 18:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In any case, it's big enough to be unstubitized ^^ 72.139.249.175 18:30, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Above edit was me AFYFAF 18:36, 6 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the two preceeding statements - Billy227 19:30, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A book?

I'm not sure, but I recall Billy227 mentioning a geography book he got information from. Can you confirm this, BillyE? And possibly add it to your references? AFYFAF 00:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the reference to the article. -Billy227 23:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Under Ben Bulben

Is this a necessary part of the article? Rahk E✘[[ my disscussions | Who Is ]] 16:44, 29 June 2007 (UTC) Very much so. -Billy-talk 15:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, absolutely. But it's far from the mark to describe such a profound and intricate poem as "basically a description of Yeats Country." Perhaps some competent scholar could provide a more appropriate phrase to link this article into the one about the poem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishboyfay (talk • contribs) 05:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Moved article - too quickly?

I think I may have jumped into this too quickly! I was going through the [GE] (Gasaitéar Na hÉireann - Gazetteer of Ireland) and came across the official English-language form of the mountain, and moved this page from Ben Bulben to Benbulbin as a result. Perhaps I should have discussed it first. Is this move ok, or does anyone think should I revert? --The.Q^(t)(c) 16:52, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually we use "common name" not official name - anyway I call it neither of the above names that you suggest - I call it Benbulben!--Vintagekits 20:40, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I never heard it called Benbilbin before, only Benbulben or Ben Bulben.Jdorney 17:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just a further bit of background as to why I moved this page; I was going through the Gazetteer of Ireland for Irish names of places in County Sligo, and came across Benbulbin as the correct spelling for this mountain. Without thinking about it too much, I moved Ben Bulben to Benbulbin, given that I've seen this spelled three ways, in different places (Benbulbin, Ben Bulben and Benbulben), and as they are all pronounced the same way, I felt it was better to give the article the corrected spelling. Was this a bit hasty? --The.Q^(t)(c) 16:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Q, is there any signpost about which have the mountains name on it? Also wiki uses common name not official name - I would say the common name is Benbulben (all one word) but could be convinced otherwise.--Vintagekits 18:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of the spelling, there already page for "Benbulbin". It redirects to "Ben Bulben". Besides which, this is not the only case of such a thing. For example, the article Ukraine should theoretically redirect to The Ukraine, which is the proper name. But, it doesn't. -Billy-talk 20:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Billy, thanks for your input - the more the merrier - however, I am not sure I get your point. Can you please clarify. regards --Vintagekits (talk) 13:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm saying that an article needs not have the official name, only the most common one. -Billy-talk 23:17, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Isnt that what I am also saying?--Vintagekits (talk) 23:44, 20 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose so. So, might I suggest we revert the move? -Billy-talk 14:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am saying that the article should be called - Benbulben - all one word.--Vintagekits 19:13, 30 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(un-indent) Strange as this may sound coming from me (the user who made the original move from Ben Bulben to Benbulbin), I actually agree with VK here. As I stated above, I probably moved this too quickly, not being fully aware of the normal practice of having an article called by it's more usual name, rather than any official one. A quick search on-line shows that the mountain is called Benbulben by the official tourist agency, sligotourism.ie here and also by the Government agency, Geological Survey of Ireland here. If I get a chance to get out that direction with my camera in the next few days, I'll see if i cna get some photos of roadsigns, Etc., to see how it's spelt on those. If I get a few proving what VK and I and (I believe) most Sligonians would call the place, would that be sufficient to change it (again!)? --The.Q^(t)(c) 15:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If I get there before ya then I'll do the same.--Vintagekits 16:56, 3 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Location of ben bulben

Stating that Ben Bulben is in "Yeat's Country" before stating its location in Co. Sligo is not a great introduction. Perhaps should be re-written as "it is in north Co. Sligo, also referred to as Yeat's Counrtry." KMcD (talk) 13:07, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done -archanamiya · talk 17:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ben Bulben/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I think this article needs a fair bit of work before being a GA. I'll list some things to work on and revisit. Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:50, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See guidelines on lead sections - it needs to summarise salient points. I might have a crack at this myself.

Etymology section needs a ref or two.

Geology section - which ice age? Persumably the last. Needs clarifying and reference. Also, any fossils found there?

Climbing section - dangerous - anyone been injured or died? Does the north climb need rock climbing gear? Are there dedicated walking tracks?

Flora and fauna - be good to list some of the more unusual unique plants

Sinn Fein slogan campaign - needs a ref, as does Irish Civil War

Is it protected area - waht goverrment body looks after it?

All sections come up as a bit 'light' and could do with some embellishing. Ultimately, there is a lot of work to do, but I'm happy to leave this open for a couple of weeks and chip in. Note that we're just looking at comprehensiveness. There are some prose issues but figured getting content right was first step. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I too have contributed some sources to the article. --can dle •wicke 00:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good - that is a start anyway. Will need plenty more buffing yet :) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1. Well written?:

Prose quality:

- not really much prose in the article yet to judge really.

Manual of Style compliance:

2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:

References to sources:

Citations to reliable sources, where required:

No original research:

- hard to say. I doubt it but referencing needs buffing.

3. Broad in coverage?:

Major aspects:

- needs expansion, especially geology and flora and fauna sections.

Focused:

4. Reflects a neutral point of view?:

Fair representation without bias:

5. Reasonably stable?

No edit wars, etc. (Vandalism does not count against GA):

6. Illustrated by images, when possible and appropriate?:

Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

Images need WP:ALT text.

Overall:

Pass or Fail:

- look, this article still needs a fair bit of work on comprehensiveness before we get near GA standard. I'm going to fail it now from inactivity. If you get involved later, I'd be happy to be pinged on improving or reviewing it for GA again. Sorry. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

any pictures of "brits out" slogan?

i need a picture(a video would be great!) for a short film —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.107.137.65 (talk) 14:28, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Bulben is listed as a protected structure

Ben Bulben is a mountain, not a structure. Buildings are structures. In Ireland, buildings that predate 1700 are protected by the Record of Monuments and Places (RMP). Buildings after 1700 are given protected status in Development plans (county or local).

So say that a mountain is protected is untrue. Ben Bulben and surrounding areas do have protected status in the forms of Special protection area (SPA) for birds under the EU birds directive and special areas of conservation (SAC) which covers wildlife covered by the EU habitats directive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjango297 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]