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For the next accusation of Anti-Turk/racism

[1]/[2] -- "that source doesn't seem to be very on-topic..."

About Erim Turukku

After some looking into how to do it, I just opened an SPI on EMr KnG / Erim Turukku, you can see it at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EMr KnG. If you have something to add, etc feel free to do it. --Sundostund 19:38, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Khwarazmian dynasty

Sock perhaps? I presume you have it on your watch list. Dougweller (talk) 20:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it is, then I'm not sure who it would be. Aside from the unilateral article move, the removal of Persianate could be justified, since the sources do not support it. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:15, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Judging from the previous attempts to remove Persianate and the level of English used, there is a slight chance it might be User:BozokluAdam[3]. Although, I do not know why BozokluAdam would use a sockpuppet, since he/she is not currently blocked. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:15, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe not then. Although doesn't seem new. Please keep an eye on the editor/article. Babur problem resolved? Dougweller (talk) 12:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

anti

Well many American politicians have anti national sentiments. Anti Iranian, Anti North Korean, Anti Cuban, Anti Mexican... -Esc2003 (talk) 10:49, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's nice. Do you have source(s) for that? --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Dandanaqan

Well if the king of the Kakuyid dynasty aided the Seljuqs wouldn't it count that that his kingdom helped the Seljuqs? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:52, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have copy & pasted this to the article's talk page. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 16:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Yavuz Sultan Selim Bridge

Hello Bear, Why would you remove a correction when I specifically mentioned the reason for my edit, "No mention of trees being cut + Italian company Astaldi, has denied the claims." Did you even check the reference? Yozer1 (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My edit had nothing to do with trees or Astaldi, instead it restored referenced information removed by you, again, under a false edit summary.[4] Whereas, at Slavery in the Ottoman Empire, you removed referenced information twice[5][6], with the last removal an attempt to make the issue personal, "Undid revision 574896810 by Kansas Bear (talk) Thanks for your bias Kansas Bear". And then, oddly did not feel obliged to explain yourself on the talk page![7]
I have noticed you are about to be indefinitely topic banned due to your bias, it is quite clear you should be checking your own edits and not the edits of others. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:13, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Do you know about this publisher

Global Vision -- on this page [8] - if you don't, it's useful to know. Dougweller (talk) 22:03, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I believe I have changed/replaced any I may have used. Thanks, Doug. --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:06, 15 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Henry VII

Yes, you are right, but unfortunately the edit you made wasn't. See the diff [9]. You actually restored one of his nonsensical inclusions and broke links by restoring misspellings. I'd already reverted the edit you commented on on the talk page. I'm sure this was a mistake, but you just made matters a bit more confused. Paul B (talk) 16:44, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mistakes happen. :) Paul B (talk) 16:51, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please comment

  1. See Talk:Saib Tabrizi, last section and cited sources.
  2. Talk:Nizami Ganjavi, section "Azerbaijani name of Nizami Ganjavi". Zyma (talk) 16:40, 24 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You are not interested on those articles? Please reply here or on my talkpage. Thanks. --Zyma (talk) 17:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The Nizami Ganjavi issue was decided by DR, was it not? As for Saib Tabrizi, the sources state he was a Persian poet. Correct? --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:29, 27 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed you have edited Kadir Mısıroğlu in Turkish Wikipedia.

According to this source, written by Fatma Muge Gocek, ed. edited by I. Gershoni, Y. Hakan Erdem, Ursula Woköck, Histories of the Modern Middle East: New Directions, page 208, Kadir Mısıroğlu is an amateur historian[10] and much imprisoned Islamist lawyer. Also, user:Yozer1 is attempting to create an English version of Kadir Mısıroğlu,[11] although I do not see any source calling him a historian. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:04, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he is "not" a historian, he is just interested in history :)--Rapsar (talk) 18:47, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In your opinion, would the Gocek source be reliable enough to place "amateur" in front of "historian" when/if Yozer1 adds Kadir Mısıroğlu to English Wikipedia? --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:50, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
He just writes articles about history. Is that makes him a (amateur) historian? I don't think so. Murat Bardakçı and tr:Mustafa Armağan writes about history, but they do not call themlselves a "historian". I did a little research about Fatma Müge Göçek and I think her work would be a reliable source; but I'm not sure that there is a term called "amateur historian".--Rapsar (talk) 19:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Well Yozer1 is in the process of creating a stub article about Kair Mısıroğlu calling him a historian. Was just curious as to how to source it. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 19:27, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
He is notable enough as "writer, journalist and poet" :) Have a nice day :)--Rapsar (talk) 19:52, 26 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes

No problem ever. Dougweller (talk) 17:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Tar music instrument

Hello,

According to too many resources [1][2] etc (if you want, I can show you other resources), Tar is an Iranian instrument (Probably created in Shiraz). In other hand, Tar is different with "Lute" that is an European instrument created based on Tar. Actually, this is not an edit war, but this is exactlly in direction of making aware, that is the aim of Wikipedia.

For this purpose, we have to forsake the prejudice and bias.

Best Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1241edit (talk • contribs) 09:23, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Afd

Hi Kansas Bear. I don't think this article is notable. Can you nominate it for deletion? Have a nice day.--Rapsar (talk) 18:59, 10 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sock

Hi, with regard to this bizarre exchange I am in agreement about the suspicions, and I also think there's something funny about the interaction with the Studies user, who seems rather familiar with pinging and article deletions in spite of only a few hundred edits. Maproom and I had a conversation about this very subject a few days ago. The primary actor created an article that was an entire plagiarism job, copy/pasted from a PDF, so it's a little odd that they're somehow experts in article deletion and quality control. Many of the edits created by the primary actor have been reverted as troublesome. If you step through the diffs here you'll see a few mistakes, including adding an orphan tag where absolutely not warranted, and botching wikilinks. I apologize for the cagey language, I just don't want to throw around accusations blindly. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:27, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Badr al-Jamali

Put Link for Badr al-Jamali in the article Hassan-i Sabbah 68.100.160.250 (talk) 18:56, 3 February 2014 (UTC) 68.100.160.250 (talk) 18:58, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hassan-i Sabbah

I left comment about ethnicity issue on talking page[12], apparently there was misunderstanding about quotes from books so there's no disruptive editing. And don't get me wrong, I'm neither anti/pro Arab/Persian, just noting that ethnicity claims don't make any sense.--109.165.172.48 (talk) 20:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

We are not here to "make sense"(ie. interpret what sources say. We report what reliable sources state, not what they do not state. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:46, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's precisely what I wrote on talking page. Because no sources say either Arab or Persian, most comments including yours were interpretations. --109.165.172.48 (talk) 22:54, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. I presented two sources stating his father was of Arab origins, including links. Are you saying the two sources do not state this? --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:07, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dude you got me wrong. I searched for Daftary's book in my library, found first about Ismailites and opened it, and saw quote without "Arab". So I assumed you're doing something nasty by inserting such word in Daftary's quote on talking page. Of course, you assumed the same when I excluded same word from article, because book which you consulted actually include it. So neither one of us were nasty or something. If you check my longer comment once again, you'll see that five among six identical quotes from same author (Daftary) and from different works doesn't contain word "Arab". I'm not telling this to play childish arguments "five beats one" or "five beats your two", just to explain mutual misunderstanding. Others may ask you why among six similar quotes you took just one with "Arab" word, or claim edition from 2007 was usruped by some "Persophobic pan-Arab", and so on. Neither of sources which you presented say "Hassan-i Sabbah was Arab", they speak about his father origins and say he "claimed Yamani origins" and he was "probably Arab". Of course, such informations sould be included in biography details, but I'm against inserting "....was an Arab" in opening line because it isn't supported by reliable sources. It's interesting for me that you didn't find claims about "Persian", but they also exist - for example Laurence Lockhart [13] claimed "Though claiming Himyaritic ancestry, Hasan was both by birth and upbringing a Persian." and Charles E. Nowell [14] calls him "Hassan Sabbah the Persian". Now what should we do, to be "pro-Persian" and say such sources speak more specific about Hassan himself, or be "anti-Persian" and say these are outdated works? My advice is to avoid both ethnic and overcat wars, to say he was "a Nizārī missionary" in first line and explain details in his biography. As I said on talking page, three major informations are missing: : that little information is available on his early life, that primary works about his life have been lost, and that many informations about him comes from legends.--109.165.172.48 (talk) 01:16, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As I have said many times, if someone could produce a source for Persian ethnicity then we should list both or in this case mention, "Charles E. Nowell and Laurance Lockhart state he was Persian, while Daftary states Hassan's father was of Arab origin."
Intriguing, I always wondered what a JSTOR search would find. Wish I still had access to JSTOR. Simply report what the source(s) state. I'm not sure the age of Nowell's or Lockhart's articles would be an issue. I would not exclude either of them. --Kansas Bear (talk) 02:08, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
First one is: Laurence Lockhart, Ḥasan-i-Ṣabbāh and the Assassins, Bulletin of the School of Oriental Studies, University of London, Vol. 5, No. 4 (1930), pp. 675-696. Second one is: Charles E. Nowell, The Old Man of the Mountain, Medieval Academy of America, Speculum, Vol. 22, No. 4 (Oct., 1947), pp. 497-519. Academic oldies for sure, but Daftary still refers to first one. Another quote: "Hasan as-Sabbah was an Isma'ili propagandist or da'i of Persian origin." can be found in more modern work by Cyril Glassé, The New Encyclopedia of Islam, Rowman Altamira, 2003, page 64[15]. In any case, I wouldn't arrange sentence as "some say Persian, other say Arab" because there's no such scolarly dispute. All of them agrees that he's born/raised as Persian, and that his father is probably of Arab origin because he claimed Yamanite line. In Lewis book The Assassins (page 38), it says his father: "was said to be of Yemeni origins - more fancifully, a descendant of the ancient Himyaritic kings of Southern Arabia.". Perhaps this way should be better to arange: Born and raised as Persian [link to "Persia/Iran" not "Persian people", sources above], he was son of Kufan man of possible Arab origins because his father claimed to be of Yamanite line [Daftary, Willey, Lewis].. Personally, for me it's intriguing that Daftary in sentence (from mentioned six sources) somewhere states his father was "Kufan" or "migrated from Kufa". I found this very confusing because on this Iranica's article about Qom[16] it says Kufans migrated to Qom from 8th to mid 9th century, while Hassan-i Sabbah was born in mid 11th century.--109.165.134.57 (talk) 03:52, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Bonjour!

Nice to be greeted by you. Am not really back because too busy outside of Wikipedia, just popping in once in a while.

May I wish you a "happy new year" on this date in March? Never saw any rule against it... Au revoir! --Frania W. (talk) 20:36, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's perfectly fine! It was nice to see you back anyway and I completely understand being busy outside of Wikipedia! Hope it is warm where you are, we just finished a "nice" stretch of subzero temperatures here in Kansas. Take care, Frania! --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:47, 8 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I think that last winter decided to remain in N. America. There was hardly any where I live & spring is arriving a good month ahead.
Are you considering changing your name to... Polar Bear? Hope you're doing well. Cordialement!--Frania W. (talk) 22:26, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. No, nothing so drastic. Things are fine here. Just getting ready for the tornado season! "woo hoo". --Kansas Bear (talk) 22:42, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you

See my WP:AN proposal for a ban for an editor? Dougweller (talk) 18:36, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Voted and commented. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ibn Khaldoun

Hello there. I seen some of your good contributions on the Ibn Khaldoun Talk page. You certainly seem to know what your talking about, and your talk page seems to show that you are a senior editor here on Wikipedia and are quite familiar with the Nationalist types plaguing every virtually every Middle-Eastern related article on here. I would really appreciate your thoughs and help in cleaning that article up from more POV-pushing. I have started a section on the Talk page called "Mohammed Enan" regarding a very unreliable and uninformative source, here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ibn_Khaldun#Mohammed_Enan Thanks for your time. SaSH172 (talk) 07:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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