Talk:Gianluigi Buffon

To the person who keeps removing Gigi as being one of the best keepers in the world, you should have a look around at profiles of other players where the same subjective 'one of the best' is used. stop trying to discredit this man, have a look at Nesta, Zidane, Schumacher etc..

Can someone change the picture back the one before, or another. Although this is nice with the trophy, it doesn't show him at all really.

Changed!

Why did it get changed back?

POV statement?

"generally regarded as one of, if not the best keeper in the world." Weasel words? It's fine to list his goalkeeping awards and such, but shouldn't we keep POV statements like this out of the article? Also, in reference to the above, Gianluigi appears to speak English as evidenced by his blog: http://worldcup-it-uk.spaces.msn.com/PersonalSpace.aspx. Might that too be a worthy addition to the links in the article?

-I would say that most of the soccer players' pages on this site say something along the lines of "one of the best sweepers in history," or at least "a talented player for team x." Since it isn't too much of a stretch to call Buffon one of the best keepers I don't mind it. -Fair call to the suggestion above, but he is the most expensive keeper in the world so I think it is almost implied he must be one if the not the best in the world.

It's fair to include him as "ONE of the best keepers in the world" - after all, he made this World Cup's all-star squad. But then again, he wasn't the only one, so it's inappropriate to signal him out above the others. Gunray

Actually, you're selling Buffon short--he was singled out above others. He was named the winner of the Yev Lashin Award, given to the best goal keeper at the World Cup. [1] Saying Buffon is "regarded by many to be the best goal keeper in the world" is not POV because it doesn't claim that he is indeed-unequivocally the best, only that many consider that to be the case, and that is factual, not subjective. -24.186.220.44 07:47, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Agree, then why is it still taken off?Crystaliser 22:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Saying he is the 'best' is subjective. Unless it's objectively verifiable, which obviously it's not, you can't include it.(65.95.112.3 20:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC))

Name?

Is his last name French? It sounds like it. Funnyhat 01:55, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Lot of Italian names sound Frenchish because the northern parts of the country speak Gallo-Italic languages closely related to that spoken over the alps in southern France; I don't know if this is the case with his family but it sound like it may be. A good example is the first PM of Italy in the 19th C. Cavour, though that might have been the place he was count of, not sure. Seek100 04:02, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks! Funnyhat 03:33, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

World Cup Final Controversy

removed this quote  : Buffon was at the centre of a controversial incident in the 2006 World Cup Final when he ran some 40 metres to protest to a linesman about an off-the-ball incident involving Zinedine Zidane, who was subsequently issued a red card following his headbutt on Marco Materazzi which initially seemed to have gone unnoticed by the match officials.[2]

1) it is a quote from an article that seems to bring a not very neutral analysis of the final. The POV of the article in question differs a great deal from most of the match reports by other main news agencies :

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2) it says Buffon was at the center of the controversial incident. He was only a witness ,the two players at the center of the controversy were Zidane and Materazzi. I don't see the point of quoting all this (incident Zidane-Materazzi,red card, head butt,...) in an article on Buffon.

3) the quote also suggests that the incident went unnoticed by the match officials. This has been stronly denied by FIFA, who declared that it was fourth official Medina Cantalejo who noticed the head butt. :

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Buffon's protest played no role in the decision to give a red card to Zidane.The quote and information on the incident is thus rather irrelevant.

I agree completely. Incidents like that happen - there's no reason to place the story on every article concerning French or Italian players. As you say, Buffon was hardly at the center of it. - Slow Graffiti 14:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I notice that user 65.95.112.3 keeps inserting the sentence about the Zidane-Materazzi incident without giving a proper explanation as to why Zidane headbutting Materazzi would be an important moment in Buffon's career. Again, Buffon's protest did not play any role in that red card.[7]

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Why was the picture of him holding the world cup replaced?

I dont know, i've put back on the one i uploaded before again 22:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Think about it - do you want to highlight BUFFON or the WORLD CUP? Obviously Buffon as this is HIS page. Can you find a picture of him with the World Cup that still shows his ENTIRE face? If not, the one with his entire face showing should be placed back on here. I mean, it would be like including a picture of JFK with a gun in front of his face because you were glad he was shot. Obviously that's an extreme example, but it still emphasizes the face that this is supposed to be an objective page. FACE FIRST, WORLD CUP SECOND. Even better, why not include a picture of him with his 'Best Goaltender' trophy?? That would make MUCH more sense to me. (65.95.112.3 20:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC))

-I second that, the picture befor was stupid. This one is better, but the one that was on here originally was definately the best.

Fascism?

I seem to remember a controversy a few years back when he picked the shirt number 88, which is, fairly commonly, used as a symbol for neo-Nazi/Fascist groups. In fact, it would seem there's even more dubious Buffon-related incidents, if you look through http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldcup/2006/07/pitbull_gattuso.html. Is this encyclopedia worthy, and can anyone trace these (The 88 I definitely remember happening, although I seem to remember reading it in a magazine I probably threw out years ago, so I may not be able to verify it myself) to a more reliable source? 80.6.98.250 12:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, when Buffon played for Parma he picked the shirt number 88, but he changed it because of controversys about the use of a "Nazi-number". Anyway he said he choised that number because when you play you had to have 4 "balls" on the field. Here you can find an interview about it (in italian) http://www2.raisport.rai.it/news/sport/calcio/200009/08/39b937bc01479/ It's also true that one time he wrote on his shirt the fascist saying "boia chi molla" but ,he said, only for spur his team.