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Oh Come On !

It is a harmless discussion. Their is no shouting as well. Just let it persist. Scots225 (talk) 07:14, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Scots225: if you're not Js82, fine; be welcome, and go on with discussing. Take note, though, of the previous discussions; if you're not Js82, I guess you'll understand my suspicions. For the talkpage-stalkers: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Js82. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:41, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

“ Self-restraint and benefiting others With a compassionate mind is the Dharma ” — Nagarjuna


“ The main thing is to develop a good heart ” — Gen Lamrimpa


“ A good man is a wise man ” — Krishnamurti

Scots225 (talk) 07:50, 16 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry pal. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Js82. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 18:09, 17 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@JJ: I am fine with not deleting the latest @Js82-sock-Scots225 content on Talk:Sikhism. I had deleted it per WP:TPO, thinking that we can always use diff if we ever needed evidence. May be just hiding it would suffice. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:21, 19 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is another ~3 week old @SiddarthSunny account, who knows and quotes the rules, asking @Apuldram to get consensus but feels no need to get consensus. Now active in Sikhism-related articles, deleting sourced scholarly content. See @SiddarthSunny's edit history. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 01:53, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Ms Sarah Welch: yes, I noticed. Your turn to file a SPI? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:47, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@JJ: Well, @Ian.thomson blocked @SiddarthSunny for 36 hours. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@JJ:SPI opened. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:53, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Ms Sarah Welch: it's not the finest part of Wiki-editing, this kind of dirty work, but it has to be done. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 20:02, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sound and Communication by Wilke and Moebus

@JJ: Have you read Annette Wilke and Oliver Moebus 2011 book, "Sound and Communication"? I have been reading it for the last few days. Interesting treatise on Vedanga, with sections on Shiksha, the Vedic field of phonetics, phonology, design of the alphabet and related studies. The book discusses, among other things, the cooperation between Vedic / Buddhist / Jaina scholars in ancient times on the studies of sound, melody, alphabet and language. Plus, in chapter 5 they discuss how all this may have influenced the development of Tantra. ISBN 978-3110181593. Wilke is a professor at Universität Münster. Recommended. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 05:33, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds interesting, and in line with Nicholson (2010). Thanks for noticing! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:37, 20 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doubts

No offence but based on your interactions with Ms Sarah Welch it seems you are taking sides. SiddharthSunny (talk) 20:26, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's nice that you don't see it as an offense. But serious: isn't it about time to stop this all? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 22:04, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Hi JJ, how is your crusade in Indo-Aryan related pages going on??? You are doing it for the last two years regularly with same enthusiasm. Good.:-) Ghatus (talk) 12:47, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the "crusade" was over quite a while ago. Now it is a question of refining it, polishing it etc. But, I agree, JJ's passion for it is admirable! - Kautilya3 (talk) 13:48, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"Crusade"? Mind your language! But, we're doing fine on it; I'm t the point of also insulting Dravidian nationalists, so NPOV is guaranteed in my hands ;) Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:05, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I beg your pardon. "Crusade" doesn't have the same meaning to South Asians as it does to Europeans. As for Dravidian nationalists, see this. - Kautilya3 (talk) 18:23, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I guess so. The crusades have a somewhat different meaning for Middle Eastern peoples as they have for Europeans. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:08, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In Indian context, "crusade" means fighting for something passionately and nothing more. It actually has a positive connotation. See the use in the Indian newspaper - Narendra Modi’s black money crusade looms over property bubble.Ghatus (talk) 04:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I know, of course. But for muslims it may have a rather different meaning, comparable to European colonialism, and then the worst part of it. But now that you've mentioned the Indo-Aryans, Ghatus: do you know of portal cities at the Indian west-coast which were established, or grew strongly, between ca. 2,000-1,5000 BCE, and are related? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:06, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Other than Lothal? It is possible that Bharuch dates back to pre-Aryan times. Goods went up from there to Ujjain, which became a major trading city during the Second Urbanisation. - Kautilya3 (talk) 07:54, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 09:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Time frame ( 2,000-1,5000 BCE ) you are referring to can go with these two sea- ports of western India.
Lothal: In Gujarat settlements such as Rangapur, Surkotada and Lothal have been discovered. Lothal is located in the coastal flats of the Gulf of Cambay. This place seems to have been an outpost for sea trade with contemporary West Asian societies. Its excavator S.R. Rao claims to have discovered a dockyard here.
Sutkagen-Do: Sutkagen-Dor is located near the Makran coast which is close to the Pakistan-Iran border. At present the settlement is land-locked in dry inhospitable plains. The town had a citadel surrounded by a stone wall built for defense. Its location in an inhospitable area can only be explained by the need of sea-port for trading.
Relation: They are closely related to each other on two grounds- 1)Sutkagen-Do is considered is to be a colony of Lothal. 2)Sutkagen-Do was a resting place in the maritime trade between IVC (Lothal being the main port of entire IVC) and West Asia. Ghatus (talk) 13:27, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If one wants to come to modern day India from the Mediterranean Sea, the path he has to take is Syria>Iraq>Sutkagen-Do (today's Pakistan)>Lothal(today's India). It was an alternative route to India since time immemorial other than through Khyber Pass from Central Asia. And, the most parts of this route is either by sea or by river or by the coast. Ghatus (talk) 13:49, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:56, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

IVC and Krishna

Could you and @Kautilya3: take a look at the reference to IVC in the Iconography section of Krishna.--regentspark (comment) 18:15, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@RegentsPark: Giriwar Charan Agarwala (1979), Age of Bhārata War, Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, p.81-82 [1]. Tsja... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:58, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It did look like a stretch. Thanks for getting rid of it! --regentspark (comment) 21:20, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@JJ: The Chandogya Upanishad summary in that article is also non-NPOV, incorrect. See Max Muller, page 52 note 1. It is in relatively modern Gopala-Tapani and Krishna Upanishads that we find the Krishna of that article. This date pushing, both ways, is an old dispute. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 20:24, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@JJ: Ah, so, Motilal Banarsidas publishes junk too? It looks like the proceedings of a conference of traditionalists. - Kautilya3 (talk) 22:27, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently. And they publish top publications. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:00, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Peopling of India

You need to talk to me before you make any major changes, there are many things you seem to have misunderstood. 117.192.217.229 (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:12, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
At 27 august 2015, 5 different IPs, but all starting with 117, made a series of edits at Andamanese people. At least one of them added "info" that's not in the source. I expect that the other edits need be checked too. The same info was added to Peopling of India. I guess it's all the same editor, who's harming Wikipedia. @Drmies, Bishonen, and Dougweller: what to do with this editor? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:40, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not harming, all i did was correct you regrading your misunderstanding regrading AAA yesterday. And, today you refuse to understand why ASI and AND component are distinct components today as mentioned in Basu et al. Just like ASI and AAA diverged, the same way ASI and AND diverged. Do look at the talk page. 117.192.217.229 (talk) 00:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, all the same [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7]. @Kautilya3: you gave one of those IP-adresses the ARBIPA-notification; do you remember which one? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 21:43, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This one [8]. Unregistered Bangaloreans have been messing with genetics pages for a long time. May be they are all the same user. - Kautilya3 (talk) 21:54, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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