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Hindupur is famous for silk products and it has got many industries around it like wipro(fluid mechanics),lg tread,cotton spinning mills,textile park etc.,.more over its very near to bangalore and it has a climate of banglore. In recent years due to lack of rains its been turning around to industrial sector. In near future its going to get a medical college.Good place to stay

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I have cleaned up the article, and removed the appropriate tags, which had been in place for sever months. While I recognise that this has resulted in a substantial overall reduction in article length. However, Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, or the white pages. Wikipedia is happy to lose bus timetables in return for a shorter, easier to scan, better organised article, I feel. Therefore I would urge editors to discuss the changes before blanket reverting them. Thanks. - Jarry1250 ^{(t, c)} 18:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC) Around hindupur at a distance of 15 km is LEPAKSHI, a historical place,which everyone should visit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.246.246 (talk) 16:31, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

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RfC on native and official languages of Hindupur

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As per all valid proofs, Kannada was, is and shall always be the native language of Hindupur. Native languages can't be changed by any amount of migration whatsoever just like native Americans are the natives of America and not English/Europeans and its speakers the natives of US. However during the linguistic reorganisation of states in India in the 1950s, Hindupur was retained on the wrong side of the border in Andhra Pradesh whose official language is Telugu and the official policy encouraged migration of Telugu speakers. Currently, Telugu may be widely spoken there, however, Kannada speakers still constitute about 50% of its population and all of them speak Telugu the official language with others outside. A famous Kannada scholar from Hindupur was Kallur Subba Rao. Kannada was the dominant language in Hindupur in the 19th and even in the early 20th century which started to change only in the latter half of 20th century. Native language, dominant or widely spoken language and official language are 3 different concepts. Hence, the demographics section of Hindupur will contain Telugu as the official and widely spoken language and Kannada as the native language of Hindupur as also its surroundings. Thanks and Regards! -NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 14:52, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

What's the RFC here? There doesn't seem to be a question needing discussion. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 06:03, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi OwenBlacker, The question is : Kannada is the native language of Hindupur and Telugu is the official language (hence widely spoken) and language of migrants to that town. User quotes a flawed (partial favouring Telugu) latest official census to show Kannada speakers to be less than 2000 people which brings them down to below 1%! However ground reality is Kannada speakers still form 50% of that town. Hindupur is surrounded by Kannada speaking villages on all sides (Malagur, Utakur, Basavanahalli, Nagehalli, Bevinahalli, Cholasamudra, etc.) Such being the reality, user LovSLif is thoroughly obstructing the truth from being exposed! British period gazetteers clearly say that Hindupur is a native and majority Kannada town till early 20th century. User removes authentic references and replaces with flawed present ones. References :

Please examine this and stop user from editing/removing it. Thanks, — NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 04:21, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi OwenBlacker you can very well check the reverted edits on Hindupur article. It looks user NitinBhargava2016 is aggressive to highlight his language 'Kannada' which is neither the official nor the widely spoken language of Andhra Pradesh state to which Hindupur belongs to. He lacks to understand the meaning of Native language and trying to input 'Kannada' as widely spoken language. Dear NitinBhargava2016 , as you commented on my talk page, Yes you are absolutely right with the definition of native language you copied from wikipedia. But please note whom it is referring to? To a Person. So here you should understand as per latest census of Indian government, Majority of hindupur citizens reported their native language or it could be mother tongue as 'Telugu'. keeping your references has nothing harmful until the content is not changed suppressing majority language of the town. Now the current edit by you looks fine and agreeable. But not the earlier ones which i reverted. CheersBy LovSLif (talk) 08:40, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

For the benefit of people who've been brought here by the Feedback request service, can someone put together the brief neutral summary that is required by WP:RFC (see item 3 in this list), so that people coming to this discussion can see what it is you need to find consensus on. Part of the point of an RFC is that other editors shouldn't have to look at edit histories and read more deeply in order to understand the issue. Please formulate this into a proper RFC, as described at WP:RFC, then we can have a more effective discussion to resolve the issue.

I've removed the {{rfc}} call above for now, so that you can add it anew (below) once the summary is there. That way the bots won't close the discussion prematurely — they look for the first date after the template call, which is a week ago now, so would result in the discussion being closed prematurely.

Thanks! — OwenBlacker (Talk) 09:52, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi LovSLif, Though you say that you are from Bengaluru, your love for your native tongue, Telugu, is in so excess that you defile articles with Kannada, the language of your home, if such facts go even remotely against your native Telugu, by selectively deleting references. I had to become aggressive to check your vandalism of removing valid references which highlighted the earlier demography of Hindupur town. The current reference degrades number of Kannada speakers to less than 1% of population in their own native town where they were in a majority until 1953's flawed reorganisation of states! Such misleading references are useless and dangerous! I clearly understand the term native language. I never put Kannada as the widely spoken language of Hindupur. I put it as the native language of Hindupur which is the language of the majority of its original inhabitants (and not recent migrants!) or people who established and developed that town!

My edits were solely triggered by your deletion of references which clearly indicated Hindupur's Kannada past.

Native language may well refer to a person, but in the case of the native language of a place, it implies/refers to the native tongue of its original founders or inhabitants and not the native tongue of its migrants who skewed and altered its demographics as the native places of these migrants is mostly Andhra Pradesh. So you are clearly obfuscating facts again. Hindupur's widely spoken language may well now be Telugu, but not to such an extent that it reduces the population of Kannada speakers, who were the town's founders, to less than 1%! A majority of Hindupur may well now speak Telugu as it is the language of these migrants who overwhelmed the localites(Kannada) in their own town. P.S. : Native tongue of majority of a town's population (widely spoken language) is completely different from native language of origin of that place and its original inhabitants and not that of its migrants/settlers who are included in the former case. Now consider that in few years, thousands or even millions of Hindi speakers overwhelm the natives (Teluguites) of Kakinada, themselves becoming the majority there. So will Kakinada change overnight from being a native Telugu town (or Telugu town) to a native Hindi town (or Hindi town)? By your logic, it seems yes. Native tongue of Kakinada can never change from Telugu though the native tongues of majority of its population may change over the due course of time owing to migration.

Hi OwenBlacker, Summary: Isn't the native language of a town different from the widely spoken language (native tongue of majority of its present population which includes migrants too)? Hindupur was and is a native Kannada town as villages around it speak Kannada to date. However, now owing to migration and Andhra Pradesh state's official encouragement policy, Telugu is the widely spoken language only in the town limits. Does this change the native/original inhabitants of Hindupur town's founding fathers and their native tongue Kannada? Hence can we conclude that Hindupur's native language is Kannada, whereas Telugu, that of its majority (owing to migration)? Can the native language be highlighted in the demographics section of this Wiki article? Please add the {{rfc}} call now. Thanks! — NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 15:27, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

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Revised RfC on native and official languages of Hindupur

NitinBhargava2016 has asked for a discussion of the presence or absence of Kannada in the infobox on this article:

Isn't the native language of a town different from the widely spoken language (native tongue of majority of its present population which includes migrants too)? Hindupur was and is a native Kannada town as villages around it speak Kannada to date. However, now owing to migration and Andhra Pradesh state's official encouragement policy, Telugu is the widely spoken language only in the town limits. Does this change the native/original inhabitants of Hindupur town's founding fathers and their native tongue Kannada? Hence can we conclude that Hindupur's native language is Kannada, whereas Telugu, that of its majority (owing to migration)? Can the native language be highlighted in the demographics section of this Wiki article?

— OwenBlacker (Talk) 21:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

• To my mind, it would make sense to add other languages to the infobox. At the moment, the box includes the rows on the left of this table, and I would suggest it should be expanded to include the added rows on the right (possibly with a different label):

Current	Proposed
Languages   Official Telugu	Languages   Official Telugu Other Kannada Urdu

— OwenBlacker (Talk) 21:49, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks much OwenBlacker! Please advise if instead of using the label 'Other language' for Kannada, adding it as the 'Native language' or 'Local language' or 'Original language' of the town either in the Info-box or in the Demographics section is possible as it is more meaningful and makes sense. Thanks. — NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 14:16, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
  • That's certainly a discussion that interested editors can have here :o) — OwenBlacker (Talk) 19:22, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
• @NitinBhargava2016 and LovSLif: the present version looks good. Please get back to work.--Vin09 (talk) 12:59, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Vin09 Hello NitinBhargava2016 I wonder why are you still discussing on this topic despite i had already explained you with all references and definitions. Even a senior editor vin09 suggested the current revision is appropriate. For your information I am not here to support or to degrade any language. Let's maintain neutrality while editing. Facts should speak. Hope you read the gazette shared by me on my talk page. But still I didn't mention in any other state articles 'telugu' as native language despite they satisfy your perception. Even as per latest census figures few areas of Karnataka border have got telugu as majority language. Bangarpet is one such example as per census digital library. But remember I maintain integrity of data and am not aggressive in propagating any language. So plz stop discussion and let's get back to our work. No more edits required on hindupur.By LovSLif (talk) 02:45, 6 August 2016 (UTC) Hi LovSLif, Bangarapete doesn't have any Telugu majority as per any census data and ground reality. Thanks — NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 13:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC) Hi NitinBhargava2016 , Don't behave blindly. If you want the link for the same from official census data then ask me. I will provide you. Census digital library is the basis for all population figures of towns and cities. I will update accordingly on bangarpet article with exact figures. And I will cite the census excel by govt of India. You can cross verify buddy. GoodluckBy LovSLif (talk) 14:34, 6 August 2016 (UTC)