Talk:Domestic violence in Pakistan

Bibliography for expanding article

Hi, here is my planned work for expanding and revising this article. I have added a bibliography as well for the sources that will be used. Any feedback or advice is greatly appreciated.

To bring this article to a higher level such as a B-class rating, more content is needed that does justice to the issue in adequate coverage of history, incidence, and socio-economic impacts. First, I will be adding an overview section that contains sub-sections of definitions of domestic violence globally and according to the Pakistani government and statistics of incidence. Definitions from Pakistani laws and scholarly review articles will be used. Furthermore, statistics from UN Women will be also be used to highlight the occurrence of domestic violence in Pakistan. Next, a brief history section will be added regarding how the Pakistani government has viewed this issue as one of public or private concern and the history behind related laws. Most importantly, the “Types of abuse” section will highlight the crux of the issue by honing in on abuses specific to Pakistan like honor killing and acid attacks. For this section, I will be primarily using articles that are case studies and review articles. Expansion on this section is necessary to show the wide range of abuses that domestic violence covers. Lastly, three other new sections will be added that cover family dynamics, policy initiatives and support organizations.

Below is a bibliography for each section planned:

References by section

“Overview” section

"Global Database on Violence against Women." Pakistan. Accessed February 04, 2017. http://evaw-global-database.unwomen.org/en/countries/asia/pakistan?formofviolence=fac5fe48636e4d3882bbd2ebbf29bd60.

Qureshi, S. (2012). Legislative Initiative in the Area of Domestic Violence in Pakistan: Gender Approach to the core provisions of the Domestic Violence (Prevention and Protection) Act 2009. Pakistan Vision, 13(2), 200-223.

Syed, A. G., Shaikh, F. M., Ali Hassan, H., & Abdul Sattar, S. (2013). Domestic violence against women: A case study of Shikapur, Sindh, Pakistan. International Journal Of Business & Public Administration, 10(1), 114-127.

“History” section

Nasrullah, M., Zakar, R., & Zakar, M. Z. (2014). Child marriage and its associations with controlling behaviors and spousal violence against adolescent and young women in Pakistan. Journal Of Adolescent Health, 55(6), 804-809. doi:10.1016/j.jadohealth.2014.06.013

Zakar, R., Zakar, M., & Abbas, S. (2016). Domestic Violence Against Rural Women in Pakistan: An Issue of Health and Human Rights. Journal Of Family Violence,

“Types of abuse” section

Ayub, M., Mushtaq, I., Mushtaq, S., Hafeez, M. A., Helal, N., Irfan, M., & Naeem, F. (2013). Domestic violence, mental illness and suicidal ideation - A study from Lahore, Pakistan. Journal Of Mental Health, 22(6), 474-481.

Dobson, R. (2009). 'Honour Killings' Are a Public Health Problem for Pakistan. BMJ: British Medical Journal, (7697). 739.

Jamal, A. (2015). Piety, Transgression, and the Feminist Debate on Muslim Women: Resituating the Victim-Subject of Honor-Related Violence from a Transnational Lens. Signs: Journal Of Women In Culture & Society, 41(1), 55-79.

Muhammad, N., Omer, F., Mushtaq, A., & Shah, M. (2012). Honor killing in Pakistan: An Islamic perspective. Asian Social Science, 8(10), 180-185.

Shaikh, M. (2016). Domestic violence in consanguineous marriages — Findings from Pakistan demographic and health survey 2012-13. Journal Of The Pakistan Medical Association, 66(10), 1319-1323.

“Family dynamics” section

Nasrullah, M., Zakar, R., & Zakar, M. Z. (2014). Child marriage and its associations with controlling behaviors and spousal violence against adolescent and young women in Pakistan. Journal Of Adolescent Health, 55(6), 804-809. doi:10.1016/j.jadohealth.2014.06.013

Vogel, J. (2013). Effective gender-based violence screening tools for use in primary health care settings in Afghanistan and Pakistan: a systematic review. Eastern Mediterranean Health Journal = La Revue De Santé De La Méditerranée Orientale = Al-Majallah Al-Ṣiḥḥīyah Li-Sharq Al-Mutawassiṭ, 19(3), 219-226.

“Socioeconomic impacts” section

Chatha, S. A., Ahmad, K., & Sheikh, K. S. (2014). Socio-economic Status and Domestic Violence: A Study on Married Women in Urban Lahore, Pakistan. South Asian Studies (1026-678X), 29(1), 229-237.

Kanwal Aslam, S., Zaheer, S., & Shafique, K. (2015). Is Spousal Violence Being "Vertically Transmitted" through Victims? Findings from the Pakistan Demographic and Health Survey 2012-13. Plos One, 10(6), e0129790. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0129790

Zakar, R., Nasrullah, M., Zakar, M. Z., & Ali, H. (2016). Clinical article: The association of intimate partner violence with unintended pregnancy and pregnancy loss in Pakistan. International Journal Of Gynecology And Obstetrics, 13326-31. doi:10.1016/j.ijgo.2015.09.009

“Policy initiatives” section

Ayub, M., Mushtaq, I., Mushtaq, S., Hafeez, M. A., Helal, N., Irfan, M., & Naeem, F. (2013). Domestic violence, mental illness and suicidal ideation - A study from Lahore, Pakistan. Journal Of Mental Health, 22(6), 474-481.

Qureshi, S. (2012). Legislative Initiative in the Area of Domestic Violence in Pakistan: Gender Approach to the core provisions of the Domestic Violence (Prevention and Protection) Act 2009. Pakistan Vision, 13(2), 200-223.

“Support organizations” section

Jamal, A. (2015). Piety, Transgression, and the Feminist Debate on Muslim Women: Resituating the Victim-Subject of Honor-Related Violence from a Transnational Lens. Signs: Journal Of Women In Culture & Society, 41(1), 55-79.

"Stopping Violence against Women NGOs." Violence against women NGOs in Pakistan. Accessed February 04, 2017. http://www.ngos.org.pk/rights/women-violence-ngos.htm.

Syed, A. G., Shaikh, F. M., Ali Hassan, H., & Abdul Sattar, S. (2013). Domestic violence against women: A case study of Shikapur, Sindh, Pakistan. International Journal Of Business & Public Administration, 10(1), 114-127. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sa49 (talk • contribs) 01:04, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Interested in expanding article

Hi all, I am interested in expanding on the article as it is very short as of now. I would like to add sections on health effects and more recent legislation and research. The proposed changes with possible references are on my user page. Please let me know if you have any feedback. Thanks! Sa49 (talk) 01:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Men

Getting a taste of what they have being dishing out for hundreds of years is not domestic violence. This edit is a joke[1] Undue weight given to one persons opinion against what is an epidemic of violence against women. The source also says these attacks were in revenge, that is not domestic violence. The source is also an opinion piece and may not be used for statements of fact, and I ask what makes this persons opinion notable enough to give such weight as to warrant a mention ion the lede? Facts, not fiction (talk) 16:11, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Even worse, the source is misrepresented, it does not even say there is domestic violence against men in Pakistan. The title is the clue "The flip side of domestic violence" Facts, not fiction (talk) 16:14, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2)This source answers all your question in much detail, besides shedding light on the neglected part of this issue. There is no doubt that majority of the victims are female but the fact that men are also victim and that too in notable ratio can't be ruled out completely from the article. And this source is reliable per WP:NEWSBLOG. Besides about the revenge thing it says: "When a woman abuses a man, the violence is conveniently attributed to revenge, a self-defence mechanism, mental ailment or many other justifiable excuses". Take time to read it thoroughly. --SMS ^Talk 16:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I have read it. You misrepresent it. The source does not even mention domestic violence against men in Pakistan. Do not restore it again. And a newsblog is an opinion piece. Facts, not fiction (talk) 16:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure you are reading this ? --SMS ^Talk 16:35, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Yes I am. Please quote the relevant passage from the opinion piece which speaks of domestic violence against men in Pakistan. Facts, not fiction (talk) 16:37, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

FYI most of the sources in the article are opinions. About this source: The whole article speaks about violence against men. Should I quote the whole article here? --SMS ^Talk 17:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Just the part about domestic violence against men in Pakistan will do. Facts, not fiction (talk) 17:19, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I would say the whole article, but if you seriously need a paragraph, then...

"Surprisingly, the stigma of ‘domestic violence’ also affects men. “Men also become victims of domestic violence. In fact, a huge percentage of them are being subjected to domestic violence globally. It was only after we established MRA that we realised that men have complaints and they also suffer,” he told me on the phone from Pune."

I support the inclusion of this sentence and reference in the article and would argue that it should have its own section with other references added in. Silverseren^C 17:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Some example sources include this, this, and this. Silverseren^C 17:51, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

To add to the above, a survey published by PJMS, says 36% males are victim of domestic violence. --SMS ^Talk 17:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Are you geographically challenged? What you quote is about India. There is not a single mention of domestic violence against men in Pakistan in that source. Your new sources, first weeklypulse.org blocked as having malicious content by Avast. [2] is a joke right? It has no mention of domestic violence against men, it says a "‘committee’ should also be formed on domestic violence against men in urban area of Sindh" Were is the discussion of violence against men? The third source[3] appears to be the only usable one. Were in the article do you think a few lines ought to go? Facts, not fiction (talk) 18:02, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

And the third source says "the practice does not take place on a large scale" hence undue weight is an issue. Facts, not fiction (talk) 18:21, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

The suggestion to create a committee to discuss domestic violence against men is of relevance to this article. As is the inclusion in the suggested domestic violence bill of not just violence against women, but against men. And this has a table that records the number of incidents of domestic violence against men. Silverseren^C 18:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

And your opinion on undue weight appears to be not to mention it at all, which is inappropriate. I don't know for what personal reasons you don't want there to be inclusion of domestic violence against men, but there is enough sources showing that it should be included. Silverseren^C 18:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

CGA-Companion-Paper-1.pdf on which page is this table? The only one I see is not about domestic violence. The only reason that suggestion to form a committee was made was to derail the legitimate requests of women for one regarding the abuse they suffer.Facts, not fiction (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Scope/title

Although the article's title is "Domestic violence in Pakistan", the article goes on to encompass verbal abuse. Would "Domestic abuse.." be a better title? The article is also (almost) entirely devoted to abuse/violence against women, although others are abused in domestic situations as well. The only acknowledgement of this appears to be the observation that "the majority of [acid attack] victims are female" (which includes girls, but also implies that there are male victims as well). Anyway, it seems that the article's title and its actual topic are not in alignment; while I'd be in favor of expanding the text, it may make more sense to change the title. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 21:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review 1

I really like how the article edits are coming along. It's very informative. I would consider putting the section on Factors before the section on Impact on women. Perhaps you could also find more informative graphics that wouldn't be too graphic given the topic. I think there is also a good number of sources and intriguing statistics.

MYao (talk) 03:52, 7 March 2017 (UTC)MYao