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Coverage of the impeachment resolution

In the hope of heading off an edit war, I'd like to start a discussion about the proper way to characterize this. Anyone should feel free to state their opinion.

For myself, I actually have no opinion about whether we should cover the resolution at all. Wikipedia is inconsistent about how we cover impeachment attempts that have no practical chance of proceeding; both Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama have been the subject of impeachment threats that were never credible, and we don't cover these resolutions anywhere. My only concern, in the edit that seems to have kicked things of, was to avoid the abuse of the English language represented by the phrase "alleged scandals" - and "purported scandals" is no better. A scandal is an incident of public disgrace, and the element of publicity in particular either occurs or does not; it cannot be only "alleged" or "purported". Of course, Holder's culpability in the matters described in the resolution is only "alleged"; that's what a formal impeachment resolution is, an allegation.

Since there is a dispute about how to characterize the particular actions Holder is accused of in the resolution, I suggest not characterizing or summarizing them at all. Instead, the article should simply list the contents of the four Articles that would be passed if the resolution were adopted. In particular, Article IV (Holder's having lied to Congress about the surveillance of James Rosen) is not a matter of any "alleged" (or "purported") actions; Holder has said since that he did personally supervise the surveillance of Rosen, and that he did lie to Congress about it. Neutral coverage of the matter requires not obscuring this. Of course, as I said above I would be fine with omitting this entire section, which would also avoid both neutrality issues and the odious language abuse that I objected to. Either way, this section needs consensus, not edit warring. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 01:39, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The resolution has not been followed through and he is leaving, so there is not much point to cover this beyond what is there already. The articles of impeachment have not been voted on, so there is no point to describe them in detail per WP:UNDUE. - Cwobeel (talk) 20:35, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that it's quite unlikely the resolution will be pursued now; that's one of the reasons that I would be fine with omitting this section entirely. Since it seems like you'd prefer a short summary rather than either of my proposed alternatives, do you have any preference as to how the matter in the resolution should be summarized? 209.211.131.181 (talk) 22:16, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree to have that section deleted in due course. - Cwobeel (talk) 22:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Malik Shabazz any thoughts? I think the small section is fine as it is and shouldn't be removed. - SantiLak (talk) 23:31, 11 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with it either way. Unfortunately, the contempt citation is just as historic as Holder's role as first black U.S. Attorney General and probably can't be deleted altogether. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:04, 12 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Top of the article

Top of the article should be 3 paragraphs or so, not a fairly short blib like his predecessor Michael Mukasey. Holder was an extremely important figure — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asmithca (talk • contribs) 19:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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