Talk:Flagship

List ?

The article could probably use a list of famous/notable flagships, maybe sorted by date and having a country flag, picture, etc. Ikmxx (talk) 23:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Queen Anne's Revenge

Hoping to avert an edit war, I figure to start this discussion. The issue: Should the article include a description of Blackbeard's flagship, Queen Anne's Revenge? My own view is, no - that the article exists to convey the concept of flagship, not a series of particular examples, and that the two famous flagships already (briefly) discussed are sufficient as exemplars. That's not to say that the information about Blackbeard's ship isn't interesting - who knew pirates had flagships? - but rather that the entry seems more about that ship than about the concept, "flagship". So I'd leave it out. JohnInDC (talk) 12:04, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the information is interesting. But it's not about a flagship: when the Queen Anne's Revenge was captured by the French, she ceased to be a flagship. While controlled by France and by pirates, she was not an exemplar of "flagship". Maproom (talk) 12:40, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Content

When the article is introduced as "A flagship is a vessel used by the commanding officer of a group of naval ships", why are there sections about education and retail? I was confused by this. Or maybe there's something I've misunderstood, anybody care to clarify? Ramthecowy (talk) 10:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

You are right. They shouldn't be. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. But some editors have put a lot of work into those sections. Maproom (talk) 10:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

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Flagship University List

I posted this two other places but it deserves to also be listed here to clear up any potential confusion and offer more input.

Below I have listed the respective flagship universities of each state. One for each of the 50 states. The source is College Board and an annual survey of colleges. College board has been putting out this type list comparing flagship prices for many years now, and it just got updated for the 16-17 year.

I will also include some other sources like from the US Department of Education - ERIC which lists each state flagship, recognized by the United States Government- https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED495096

And from the Washington Higher Education Coordinating Board (government report) - http://www.wsac.wa.gov/sites/default/files/TuitionandFees2009-10Report-Final.pdf

List below copied from https://trends.collegeboard.org/college-pricing/figures-tables/tuition-fees-flagship-universities-over-time
University of Alaska Fairbanks AK
University of Alabama AL
University of Arkansas AR
University of Arizona AZ
University of California: Berkeley CA
University of Colorado at Boulder CO
University of Connecticut CT
University of Delaware DE
University of Florida FL
University of Georgia GA
University of Hawaii at Manoa HI
University of Iowa IA
University of Idaho ID
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign IL
Indiana University Bloomington IN
University of Kansas KS
University of Kentucky KY
Louisiana State University and Agricultural and Mechanical College LA
University of Massachusetts Amherst MA
University of Maryland: College Park MD
University of Maine ME
University of Michigan MI
University of Minnesota: Twin Cities MN
University of Missouri: Columbia MO
University of Mississippi MS
University of Montana MT
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill NC
University of North Dakota ND
University of Nebraska - Lincoln NE
University of New Hampshire NH
Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey: New Brunswick/Piscataway Campus NJ
University of New Mexico NM
University of Nevada: Reno NV
State University of New York at Buffalo NY
Ohio State University: Columbus Campus OH
University of Oklahoma OK
University of Oregon OR
Penn State University Park PA
University of Rhode Island RI
University of South Carolina SC
University of South Dakota SD
University of Tennessee: Knoxville TN
University of Texas at Austin TX
University of Utah UT
University of Virginia VA
University of Vermont VT
University of Washington WA
University of Wisconsin-Madison WI
West Virginia University WV
University of Wyoming WY
AlaskanNativeRU (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

The issue of "flagship universities" has been discussed and debated extensively here & on several other pages. Probably the most extensive & comprehensive single discussion took place at Talk:Flagship/Archive_1#Listing_.22flagship_universities.22_is_a_bad_idea, where it was noted (among other things) that 1) there is no workable, agreed definition of "flagship university"; 2) there is no definitive source for what are, and what aren't, "flagship universities"; and 3) in a Wikipedia article, it's a POV morass. Scroll to the very bottom for the conclusion that a school-by-school listing here is not workable or appropriate. JohnInDC (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Scrolling further up the archive from that linked entry will show several other prior discussions about a list - which was once in this article - and shed some further light on why in the end it was removed. JohnInDC (talk) 15:57, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I echo John's politely worded request to please do your homework on this extensively discussed topic. I don't agree with him that a listing is impossible but if we were to create such a listing then we definitely could not have just one institution from each state since there are many competing and changing (and often implicit or unstated) definitions that often result in several states having multiple flagships especially those with multiple systems e.g., University of Texas and Texas A & M.

I also recommend examining your sources much more closely and critically. For example, you wrote that "I will also include some other sources like from the US Department of Education - ERIC which lists each state flagship, recognized by the United States Government- https://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED495096." The publication you cited is not a publication of the federal government; like nearly everything else in ERIC, it's just a document that is (re)hosted there. Further, it doesn't claim to have a listing of flagship institutions "recognized by the United States Government [sic];" the endnotes clearly state that "We acknowledge that not every state designates one of its public universities as its flagship institution, and that some states might recognize, at least informally, more than one flagship institution." ElKevbo (talk) 16:43, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Why only flagship universities of the US? Why not Canada? Why not Australia (my country)? Why not England? Why not Wales? Why not China? Why not Thailand? Why not Mozambique? Wow, this list is getting long and we have barely touched the number of countries in the world. Do we really want a list like this being longer than the rest of the article? Or do you want to make the US somehow special among all the other countries of the world?  Stepho  talk  20:47, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I didn't know that they went in for this nomenclature in other countries, but if they do then yes, that's another good reason not to add a specific list to the article. JohnInDC (talk) 20:55, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

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