Talk:Gantz
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Genres
There is no reason to eliminate a genre from the infobox simply because someone stated in a guideline page that "In general, two or three genres should be sufficient for most articles." First off, it says in general, not always, most articles, not all articles. Don't limit things. The current genres its listed in are Action, Psychological thriller, Science fiction, and Horror. Horror is something readers will understand straight away. Psychological thriller is something more vague, and doesn't just cover horror films. Dream Focus 08:04, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- You are still ignoring the rules. Three genres is the limit and no more are allowed. If you think Psychological thriller was vague, then why you didn't remove it?Tintor2 (talk) 15:24, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- Those aren't rules, they are just general suggestions, and they don't specifically limit things. You are thus far the only one who wants to limit things to three. Others have already stated at various times they want more in there. Dream Focus 18:11, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- That other users like it is not a valid argument. It's not a suggestion, but part of the guideline to avoid placing similar genres which would undue weight.Tintor2 (talk) 22:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- Are there references for any of the genres? —Farix (t | c) 18:09, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- Publishers Weekly is down right now but the other references at the top and in the Review(s) section of this page should be useful. – Allen4names 03:23, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- Are there references for any of the genres? —Farix (t | c) 18:09, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
- That other users like it is not a valid argument. It's not a suggestion, but part of the guideline to avoid placing similar genres which would undue weight.Tintor2 (talk) 22:41, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
- You don't need references for things like that. Its more along the lines of common sense. Anyone who has read it will confirm its science fiction, thus the Gantz spheres, suits, weapons, aliens, etc. It also is horror fiction, and fits Action (genre) quite well. Look at the definition of psychological thriller. Psychological_thrillers#Definition Does any of that sound like Gantz?
- Psychological – Elements that are related to the mind or processes of the mind; they are mental rather than physical in nature. Sometimes the suspense comes from within one solitary character where characters must resolve conflicts with their own minds.
- No, there is nothing mental here. Its all quite physical and real.
- Psychological thriller – Characters are no longer reliant on physical strength to overcome their brutish enemies (which is often the case in typical action-thrillers), but rather are reliant on their mental resources, whether it be by battling wits with a formidable opponent or by battling for equilibrium in the character's own mind. The suspense created by psychological thrillers often comes from two or more characters preying upon one another's minds, either by playing deceptive games with the other or by merely trying to demolish the other's mental state
- Nope. That's isn't Gantz either. You fight your physical enemies hard to survive.
Gantz is science fiction, it is Action (genre), it is horror fiction, and it is a Thriller (genre). And please don't try to combine unrelated things just because you believe there should only be three genres when it clearly falls into four different distinct categories. Dream Focus 07:43, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- "Material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed, through an inline citation that directly supports the material... This policy applies to all material in the mainspace—articles, lists, sections of articles, and captions—without exception" —Wikipedia:Verifiability
- Since the genres have been challenged, sources are required. Ideally, genres should be sourced anyways instead of relying on editors' observations. —Farix (t | c) 11:42, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- That's if you doubt it is true, and challenge it. Do you sincerely doubt that it is science fiction, or any of the other things I listed? Dream Focus 13:54, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- I went ahead and searched for it, and found the Gantz manga referred to as an "action" manga, as science fiction, as a horror manga, and as a thriller manga. Added in some of those references found. Dream Focus 14:24, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- The back of the Gantz manga volume collection calls it manga/scifi/action. Dream Focus 14:41, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- You could also say it's Romance, a bizarre sort of Dystopian Slice of Life, Dark Comedy, Tragedy, Mysticism, Bildungsroman, Erotica, and a gazillion other things, simply because it's one of THE longest mature audiences serious mangas/visual novels in existence...BUT the best fit is none of the above: it's essentially a WAR NOVEL in a scifi/horror setting. The 'psychological' elements people mention amount mostly to PTSD/terror/shellshock, the war crimes and terrorism stuff fits right in, as do the civilian life vignettes, the flashbacks, etc. etc. And so does the 'action', which really occupies very little of Gantz - the entire 386-chapter series covers 10 hour-long missions and like 5 fights that aren't missions... These are only used as a plot device to throw together a bunch of random average people, apply extreme psychological stress to these characters, and use that as a prism to look into them and deconstruct them. 68.183.124.21 (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
- But it's a comic, not a novel. I'd say that science fantasy would probably fit this series the best, but that's just my opinion. Ginsuloft (talk) 12:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
- The four things listed under genre have references to back them up. That's why I got them to be there and stop anyone from edit warring them away, when we had this discussion over two years ago. It can't be considered erotica for just a few pages here and there, and it isn't a romance since that isn't a dominant theme to it. Please check the dictionary definition and/or the Wikipedia article for any genre you believe it falls in. Dream Focus 16:56, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
- But it's a comic, not a novel. I'd say that science fantasy would probably fit this series the best, but that's just my opinion. Ginsuloft (talk) 12:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
- You could also say it's Romance, a bizarre sort of Dystopian Slice of Life, Dark Comedy, Tragedy, Mysticism, Bildungsroman, Erotica, and a gazillion other things, simply because it's one of THE longest mature audiences serious mangas/visual novels in existence...BUT the best fit is none of the above: it's essentially a WAR NOVEL in a scifi/horror setting. The 'psychological' elements people mention amount mostly to PTSD/terror/shellshock, the war crimes and terrorism stuff fits right in, as do the civilian life vignettes, the flashbacks, etc. etc. And so does the 'action', which really occupies very little of Gantz - the entire 386-chapter series covers 10 hour-long missions and like 5 fights that aren't missions... These are only used as a plot device to throw together a bunch of random average people, apply extreme psychological stress to these characters, and use that as a prism to look into them and deconstruct them. 68.183.124.21 (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
Production Section (possible error)
It is stated that the Gantz creator was inspired by a book called Time Murderer by Robert Sheckley, as far as I can see on his Wiki page and on Amazon, there is no book with that name. Some further looking on Google came up with a book called Time Killer, by the same author. So I'm just pointling out here that perhaps there is a mistake.
FrozenDelight (talk) 18:24, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
- While I don't know if the inspiration is correct, the story was originally printed under the title Immortality, Inc..Human.v2.0 (talk) 02:48, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- The name it was published under in Japan is what matters. They might not have a difference in "Murderer" or "Killer" in the symbol they used. Dream Focus 17:40, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
External links to Gantz wikia
http://gantz.wikia.com/wiki/Gantz_Wiki has 728 articles on it. Its far larger than it was 6 years ago when this was discussed. Should it be added to external links, to give those curious about the article's subject access to more information about it? There are currently 1,422 links to wikia.com on Wikipedia. Dream Focus 09:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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Gantz:0 CGI movie
The cgi movie Gantz:0 has been out for a while, and should be mentioned in this article. I'll edit something relevant in once I can get to a desktop browser, as I would rather not try to edit from a mobile browser. -- Tomlouie | talk 17:20, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
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