Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hospitals

New photo for Cleveland Clinic

Hello, I am Eileen Sheil, executive director of corporate communications at Cleveland Clinic. I created this edit request to add two new photos to Cleveland Clinic. One of them has been added to the article, but File:Taussig Cancer Center.png has not. Are there editors here who might help if the photo is deemed appropriate? As I am an employee at Cleveland Clinic, I have disclosed and discussed my conflict of interest, and will avoid direct editing. Thanks, ClevelandClinicES (talk) 14:07, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello! I'm not an official project member but I work on improving articles of Hospitals around Central Ohio. I will attempt to make sure it is appropriate but to be clear, the photo must illustrate something in the article. Are you proposing exchanging your photo for this? It is a shame the cancer center isn't described in more detail since I'm sure it would be worthwhile to do so. I don't feel qualified to do that but it would make it easier to know where the photos would fit best. All of that aside, I believe a OTRS ticket on Commons where you hosted the files is in order since I don't think you yourself took the image and it is owned by you unless I'm wrong. Assuming I'm not wrong, that would clarify that you, the copyright holder explicitly grants permission for the distribution of the files under a free license. -- Sixflashphoto (talk) 18:13, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Sixflashphoto. The photo File:Taussig Cancer Center.png was taken by a photographer employed in the Cleveland Clinic's Art & Photography Department, so the copyright belongs to Cleveland Clinic. I uploaded the photo to Wikimedia Commons on behalf of Cleveland Clinic, therefore releasing the image under a CC BY 4.0 license.

The intent of the photo is to replace the existing Taussig Cancer Center photo in the Reputation section of Cleveland Clinic with the new Taussig Cancer Center building that opened in March 2017.

Considering these details, can you add the image to the article? Thanks, ClevelandClinicES (talk) 15:11, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@ClevelandClinicES: There is a bureaucratic matter to resolve. When we get photos from institutions we need proof by email of the copyright. Typical proof is getting an email from an official email address. That email is mostly private in a system described at WP:OTRS, but the receipt of the email is publicly tagged on the image so that we know that we can share it. Can you send an email as described at Commons:Commons:Email_templates#Declaration_of_consent_for_all_inquiries? I recommend using that email generator in the button, but the text is there otherwise. The image looks great and if you can sort the copyright as an organization (which will be required upon review anyway) then I can post the image into the article. It is a striking image.

Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Blue Rasberry, OTRS permission was added on November 1. Can you post the image to the article now? Thanks, ClevelandClinicES (talk) 21:06, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Resolved

Done! I also closed the copy of this request on the talk page there. Thanks for sharing. Post again anytime. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:59, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Healthcare managers

Please join this discussion and this discussion about Category:Healthcare managers. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject

Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Hiospitals

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.— Rod ^talk 15:58, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

RfC on Infobox hospital template

I have proposed the addition of a new parameter to Template:Infobox hospital. The proposal can be found at Template talk:Infobox hospital#Proposed religion parameter. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated. Ergo Sum 23:08, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

RfC on rules for rankings, reputation for hospitals and related institutions

I'm seeking further comment to see if it is possible to make the rules clearer for how hospital reputation, rankings, ratings, and awards are handled on Wikipedia. What should the established standard be for how ratings and rankings are included on hospital Wikipedia articles?

A bit more background, in case it's helpful: As I have proposed updates to Cleveland Clinic's existing Reputation section, a common response from volunteer editors is that other hospital articles should not be used for guidance. I looked at the Wikipedia articles for the nine hospitals in U.S. News & World Report's Top 10. Of those, six of the articles either listed the hospitals' specialty rankings or contained a table: Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins Hospital, UCSF Medical Center, Michigan Medicine, New York-Presbyterian Hospital, and Stanford Health Care. Three did not: Massachusetts General Hospital, Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center, and Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania. There are other differences in how this info is handled: While the Cleveland Clinic article has a Reputation section, Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins Hospital, and Michigan Medicine have Rankings, New York-Presbyterian Hospital has Awards and recognition, UCSF Medical Center and Stanford Health Care have rankings listed in the introduction.

I hope this conversation leads to more discussion on ways to create a set of standards for streamlined further development of all hospital articles on Wikipedia. Thanks, ClevelandClinicES (talk) 15:06, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Information in the lead is supposed to be a summary of information elsewhere in the article, so if it's only in the lead, that's a problem, but a sentence in the lead stating that it's one of the top 10 hospitals would be appropriate. The main problem with those articles is that they are very short and not well organized. I think if they were more fleshed-out, the information would also be contained in a separate section. I might work on that later.

I'm fine with there not being a single standard for whether there's a "reputation" section or an "awards and recognition" section, because it will depend on the hospital, especially with smaller hospitals if we try to standardize it across all hospital articles. Reputation can include positive and negative, and relatively few hospitals will have noteworthy awards.

I hope you don't mind that I've linked the articles in your comment so that they are easy for people to check out. Natureium (talk) 15:13, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

• Not sure I considered this in the past and even created a Wikipedia article on U.S. News & World Report Best Hospitals Rankings. It is challenging to get hospital rankings. If it is okay for one hospital then I would like to do it for all. I would like to recognize what hospital rankings are reputable then put them into all Wikipedia articles for hospitals. It is not clear to me how to get hospital ratings. Also we need to be updating hospital ratings from a database, and not manually for every rating for every hospital every year, and I am not aware of any hospital rating system that actually shares their grades as exportable data. I know that hospitals like to showcase the US News ratings when they are favorable but I do not know how reliable those ratings are. The academic papers I found all had significant criticism of the quality of the ratings. If these ratings were really significant for judging the entire American medical system then I would have expected some academic consensus on their validity, and I am not sure that exists. We are talking about reviewing an industry with almost a trillion dollars of annual revenue and it seems like there is only occasional one-off, information-scarce research on this rating methodology.

ClevelandClinicES, do you have any inside track to request that US New make its hospital ratings publicly available as a dataset? If you do, then they could stage them in a local database and we could import them to Wikidata. Maybe that would be good for your hospital as well as help us improve all our hospital articles. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:43, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello Bluerasberry, while I certainly appreciate the suggestion, I unfortunately can't be much help with that. We do not have any say with publications in what information they share, or how they share it. While we can share our information with a publication, we're not in a position to ask for an open data set from them. Thank you. ClevelandClinicES (talk) 16:05, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Though it is very much wishful thinking on my part; it's unfortunate there are no world rankings. (There are a handful of "World's top 10 hospitals" press articles.) If there were, it could've been added to {{template:Infobox Hospital}}. I have noticed that some NHS hospitals articles have "performance" sections, which contains within information on awards, ratings, and rankings. I'm not sure if adding this was/is a standard practice of WP:WikiProject National Health Service, if it has occurred organically over time, or if it's just down to coincidence on a very small sample size (14% at best). Little pob (talk) 19:04, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Sorry to be plaintive rather than constructive, because I don't think I am competent to deal with the topic anyway, but as a passing remark, I am very uncomfortable about ranking items on the basis of multiple attributes. It amounts to applying a linear (one dimensional) comparison to a multi-dimensional space. Now, OK, you can argue that the result of combining measurements in multiple dimensions is a vector, and that the length of the vector is linear, but since there is no fundamentally compelling and mutually consistent calibration of scales between the distinct dimensions, that falls apart. Whether this thought is relevant I leave to you, and also how useful the conclusion might be. I cannot argue that it necessarily is meaningless, because I might well have preferences for which hospital to go to if I had to avail myself of their services, but still... Sorry! JonRichfield (talk) 05:50, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

• discourage I suspect that the prevalence of hospital rankings is like the prevalence of university rankings: largely meaningless statistics added from puffery. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 02:56, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

• Weak oppose (Summoned by bot). It seems to me that it's difficult to apply a standardised ranking system for hospitals on Wikipedia, because there is no one standardised and reliable ranking system to acquire the data from. As a minimum, it's hard to imagine that every country in the world will rank their hospitals in an even remotely comparable way (if at all, in some cases). But, even if we consider only hospitals in the US (as I note that all of the hospitals listed in the request are US hospitals, despite the general wording of the RfC) there doesn't appear to be a single reliable system with data on most of them. By all means mention notable awards and so on if they apply to a specific hospital, but applying a single standard to everywhere, even within just one country, could be seen as implying standardisation where none exists. In some countries, there may be a single, reliable, widely accepted and regularly updated, database ranking or rating all major hospitals, and in those countries, it would be acceptable to use it in a standard format. There does not appear to be such a thing for the US, so far as I can determine. Anaxial (talk) 06:31, 22 May 2018 (UTC)