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why is American english trying to dominate Wikipedia?

everyone knows the common name is Jam this is the word everyone in the world uses. Jam is made from fruit and sugar and normally served on bread. Americans call this 'jelly' but no one in the world believes this to be the same thing as its not made with real fruit. Why are we pandering to these views by having such a long winded page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.14.189 (talk) 10:25, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There isnt a single source to say jam/jelly is ever 'canned' so why do editors keep reverting the edit? it would be stupid to can jam as then you wouldn't be able to seal it after opening it the first time. The high sugar content preserves it nothign to do with 'canning' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.14.189 (talk) 14:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

'Fruit preserves are preparations of fruits, vegetables and sugar, often canned or sealed for long-term storage.' Canned? glass jars are called 'jam jars' for a reason...Neither jam or jelly is ever sold in cans... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.14.189 (talk) 10:28, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

many british people make jam at home and we never use pectin just fruit and sugar. I think they are confusing jam with what Americans call jelly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.14.189 (talk) 14:49, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fruit preserved by drying or immersion in alchohol

Virginia Cooperative Extension. Virginia Tech. Virginia State University. Using Dehydration to Preserve Fruits, Vegetables, and Meats RPSM (talk) 02:33, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bachelor's jam/Officer's jam/Rumtopf Fruit marinated in rum or other spirit RPSM (talk) 02:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Apricot-lime fruit leather

Fruit leather recipe with comments (Is same as above at another address) RPSM (talk) 13:50, 19 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Changing unsourced errors in the article so as to correspond with the true facts

A simple and quick way to discover what a word means in UK English and US English respectively, is to use dictionaries that cover the different types of English: e.g. preserves in UK English:-

Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary "PRESERVES

PRESERVES noun

1 [MASS NOUN] A foodstuff made with fruit preserved in sugar, such as jam or marmalade: a jar of cherry preserve [COUNT NOUN]: home-made preserves

In US English, It means the same thing:

Oxford Dictionaries. com definition - American English

Prepare (fruit) for long-term storage by boiling it with sugar: (as adjective preserved) those sweet preserved fruits associated with Cremona

So the article, which states: 

In American, the plural form "preserves" is used to describe all types of jams and jellies. In all other English speaking countries most fruit preserves are simply called jam, with the singular preserve being applied to high fruit content jam, often for marketing purposes.

is wrong.

Regarding jelly meaning fruit jelly from Crab Apples, Quinces, Redcurrants, Blackcurrants, the use in UK and US English is the same according to Wikipedia:


List of words having different meanings in American and British English: A–L Jelly, defined as: a clear or translucent preserve made from the liquid of fruits boiled in sugar and set with pectin, specifically without pieces of fruit (e.g. 'crab apple jelly') is listed in the column: Meanings common to British and American English

meaning that jelly in US and UK English (meaning jelly from real fruit) is the same, but in this article, jelly in US and UK English is explained as being different: 

In the U.S. and Canada, jelly refers to a clear or translucent fruit spread made from sweetened fruit (or vegetable) juice and is set by using its naturally occurring pectin, whereas outside North America jelly refers to a gelatin-based dessert.

Neither of these erroneous statements is sourced, so it ought to be a simple matter to alter the article so that what is stated there corresponds to the actual facts. The sources are: 1) dictionaries that note differences between US and UK English that give examples 2) The firms on the internet based in England that make preserves and jellies and use these words in their trade descriptions 3) Books and articles on the subject of preserving written by English authors that explain jams, jellies and preserves. There are also recipe books/coookbooks that list recipes for jams and jellies.

After the facts have been sourced, it ought to be a simple matter to alter the article so that it corresponds with the true facts and does not contradict other articles in Wikipedia, as well as English and US books on Preserving and articles on the web. RPSM (talk) 16:49, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jelly in english isnt the same thing, jelly is something we have with Ice cream its completely different from jam which we have on toast. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.96.14.189 (talk) 12:23, 22 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Old fashioned calves' foot jelly - as a sweet dessert and as a saoury dish with garlic

Jon Fasman From Intelligent Life magazine, Summer 2008 RPSM (talk) 03:16, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1894 use, in US American cookbook, of the word jelly to refer to Calf's Foot/Pig Trotter Jelly - sweetened with sugar and flavored with mixed spice. ("This jelly will keep many weeks.")

CALF'S OR PIG'S FEET JELLY.

Thoroughly cleanse and scrape the feet, and covering them well with pure water, boil until thoroughly done. Set the stock aside in a cold place to solidify. The next day carefully skim off the grease from the surface and measure the stock. To one gallon of stock put three pounds of sugar, half a gallon good bright-colored wine, the juice, and thinly sliced rind of six lemons, and the beaten whites of sixteen eggs. Stir all together over the fire until well mixed, and boil twenty minutes. Strain through a flannel bag as usual. This jelly will keep for many weeks. Add stick cinnamon, one ounce mace, one dozen cloves, one dozen allspice.

Mrs. Charles H. Gibson's Maryland and Virginia Cook Book. Containing Numerous Valuable Receipts for Aid in Housekeeping

Prepared and Tested by Mrs. Charles H. Gibson, Maryland, Baltimore John Murphy & Company, 1894 RPSM (talk) 04:07, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dictionary definition of jelly from an American dictionary RPSM (talk) 04:12, 28 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Specialist dictionary definition of "fruit jelly" contradicts article - there is no difference between US and UK "fruit jelly" apart from US speakers (incorrectly) using jelly to refer to jam.

Under the entry: fruit jelly, this UK dictionary gives a two definitions: one for what is, in the US, jell-O; and a second one that is a pectin-set fruit jelly. The entry for jelly is here:- Dictionary of Food: International Cooking Terms (Charles Gordon Sinclair) and for fruit jelly here

Conclusion, based on Dictionary of Food: International Food and Cooking Terms from A to Z:: In UK English in the realm of food, jelly can mean either a) a gelatin dessert OR b) a type of fruit preserve set with the fruit's own pectin.

A general dictionary that can be flipped between US and UK English (Collins) has entry for jelly here. RPSM (talk) 01:26, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

An American (west coast) here... I have never heard anyone refer to jam as jelly, nor seen it misused on labels. As far as I know, the term "jelly" (as applied to fruit preserves) is only used to describe fruit juice set with pectin. If someone referred to "strawberry jelly", I'm pretty sure most people would be slightly confused, and would assume it contained no actual fruit chunks or pulp. The "Regional Terminology" section cites "jelly donut" vs "jam donut", which shouldn't apply, since (in my experience) most bakery-bought jelly donuts are filled with a non-chunky, corn starch thickened fruit compote, similar to a canned pie filling. This type of filling is truly neither a jam nor a jelly. Okay, this rambled a bit, but the point is, jelly is not normally used to refer to jam in America, in my experience. I'll add a "citation needed" and see what happens. - Marcus erronius (talk) 02:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reference to The Science of Jam and Jelly Making and Science & Technology of Jams and Jellies

The Science of Jam and Jelly Making UK Cooperative Extension Service (University of Kentucky College of Agriculture) RPSM (talk) 12:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Science & Technology of Jams and Jellies Dr. Malcolm Bourne RPSM (talk) 16:01, 2 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vogue for gelatin salads now passé

http://www.buzzfeed.com/briangalindo/17-horrifyingly-disgusting-retro-gelatin-recipes#.pv2loN8nn RPSM (talk) 07:59, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

merge Konfyt

I suggest to merge Konfyt here, there are no pictures, nothing in particular to separate it from other variants, basically a regionalism of the same thing.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the merge to here. Should Confiture also be merged to here? Dbfirs 06:25, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 5 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: Not moved per consensus. —usernamekiran(talk) 20:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Fruit preserves → Fruit preserve – Per WP:SINGULAR. Steel1943 (talk) 20:57, 5 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Imbalance between Jam, Jelly, and Marmalade

The article needs some rework to better balance or distinguish the treatment of jam, jelly, and marmalade. I broke out the marmalade section instead of having it as a paragraph under Jam. The second level headings "Production" and "Packaging" refer only to jams, perhaps reflecting an original article entitled Jam. Can the comments in those sections be applied to Fruit Preserves generally, consistent with their status as second level headings? Or should they be brought under the Jams section? For reasons unclear to me, marmalade still has a separate article while jam and jelly are subsumed under the present title of Fruit Preserves. MidwestGeek (talk) 15:32, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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