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Former good article nomineeShivaji was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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The state as Shivaji founded it was a Maratha kingdom comprising about 4.1% of the subcontinent at the time he died,[1] but over time it was to increase in size and heterogeneity,[2]: 18  and by the time of the Peshwas in the early 18th century the Marathas were dominant across the northern and central regions of the Indian subcontinent.[3]: 707 

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Shivaji was a devout Hindu, but respected all religions within the region. Shivaji had great respect for other contemporary saints, especially Samarth Ramdas, to whom he gave the fort of Parali, later renamed as Sajjangad. Among the various poems written on Shivaji, Ramdas' Shivastuti ("Praise of King Shivaji") is the most famous. Shivaji's son Sambhaji later built a samadhi for Ramdas on Sajjangad upon the latter's death. Samarth Ramdas had also written a letter to Sambhaji guiding him on what to do and what not to do after death of Shivaji.[4] Shivaji applied a humane and liberal policy to the women of his state.[5][page needed] Kafi Khan, the Mughal historian, and Francois Bernier, a French traveller, spoke highly of his religious policy.[citation needed] He also brought converts like Netaji Palkar and Bajaji back into Hinduism.[citation needed]

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By ear's end he besieged Belgaum and Vayem Rayim in modern-day northern Karnataka.

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Rabindranath Tagore wrote in his famous poem "Shivaji":

In what far-off country, upon what obscure day
I know not now,
Seated in the gloom of some Mahratta mountain-wood
O King Shivaji,
Lighting thy brow, like a lightning flash,
This thought descended,
"Into one virtuous rule, this divided broken distracted India,
I shall bind."[6]

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Vivekananda agreed to preside over the festival in Bengal in 1901.[7] He wrote about Shivaji:

Shivaji is one of the greatest national saviours who emancipated our society and our Hindu dharma when they were faced with the threat of total destruction. He was a peerless hero, a pious and God-fearing king and verily a manifestation of all the virtues of a born leader of men described in our ancient scriptures. He also embodied the deathless spirit of our land and stood as the light of hope for our future.[8]

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In time, even British commentators began to review their opinions; Field-Marshal Bernard Montgomery, in his History of Warfare (1983), while generally dismissive of the quality of generalship in the military history of the Indian subcontinent, makes an exception for Shivaji and Bajirao I. He says Shivaji had a "mastery of guerilla tactics" and was a "military genius".[9]

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When Shivaji went to Tanjore to fight his half-brother Venkoji (Ekoji I), he met the English at Madras (then known as Madraspatnam) on 3 October 1677 as stated in a plaque in the Kalikambal temple. The East India Company officials who looked after the fort at that time have recorded that Shivaji came up to the gates of Fort St. George and had sought the services of the English engineers but the request was politely turned down.[citation needed][10]

References

  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference jstor.org was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ M. R. Kantak (1993). The First Anglo-Maratha War, 1774–1783: A Military Study of Major Battles. Popular Prakashan. ISBN 978-81-7154-696-1.
  3. ^ Cite error: The named reference Mehta2005 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Charles Kincaid and Dattaray Parasnis (1918). "A History of the Maratha People". 1. London: Oxford University Press: 183–194. {{cite journal}}: Cite journal requires |journal= (help)
  5. ^ Rafiq Zakaria (2002). Communal Rage In Secular India. Popular Prakashan. ISBN 978-81-7991-070-2. Retrieved 26 September 2012.
  6. ^ Majumdar, A. K. Basu (5 March 1993). "Rabindranath Tagore: The Poet of India". Indus Publishing – via Google Books.
  7. ^ Jayasree Mukherjee (1997). The Ramakrishna-Vivekananda movement impact on Indian society and politics (1893–1922): with special reference to Bengal. Firma KLM. ISBN 978-81-7102-057-7.
  8. ^ Cite error: The named reference Banhatti1995 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  9. ^ Bernard Law Montgomery Montgomery of Alamein (Viscount) (1968). A History of Warfare. World Publishing Company.
  10. ^ EXPANSION LINKS https://books.google.com/books?id=lo-KjFtqC7sC&pg=PA34&dq=shivaji+%22fort+st.+george%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSwouC4dTZAhWI64MKHWFdDlsQ6AEINDAC#v=onepage&q=shivaji%20%22fort%20st.%20george%22&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=RL0RAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA49&dq=shivaji+%22fort+st.+george%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSwouC4dTZAhWI64MKHWFdDlsQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=shivaji%20%22fort%20st.%20george%22&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=AIKfBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA53&dq=shivaji+french&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjpxrDq4dTZAhWJ0YMKHSM_AS0Q6AEIVTAI#v=onepage&q=shivaji%20french&f=false

Semi-protected edit request on 24 July 2018

Kindly change the name from SHIVAJI to CHATRAPATHI SHIVAJI MAHARAJ thank you Ayushgharge (talk) 09:58, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Danski454 (talk) 10:23, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please change name fom shivaji to chatrapati shivaji maharaj as he was very special and auspicious to us. Prince swapnil (talk) 18:58, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

By "us", do you mean marathas? If yes, that is probably true- they revere him. But he is not at all revered(considered a "God figure") by other Maharashtrian/Indian communities. However, he is generally respected. He has been used for political gains(starting from people like Bal Gangadhar Tilak but even Tilak did not show any reverence for him) as marathas are 30% of Marathi population but you will not find any non-maratha household considering him a God figure or worshiping him. Probably only non-Maratha politicians will do that to garner votes. So I don't understand what you mean by auspicious. In any case, even a God figure like Rama is called Rama and not Lord Ram.22:14, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit request - Shiv Smarak memorial

I believe some information regarding the Shiv Smarak memorial (which began construction in 2016) should be added to the section Commemorations. As the Shiv Smarak article notes, the memorial will be the tallest statue in the world once completed, and its construction has been met with some controversy from environmentalists and local fishing communities. Sources: [1]; [2]. (Note: I've disclosed a conflict of interest with Roads & Kingdoms. I am not paid for contributions.) WillA98 (talk) 18:27, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Edit to Shivaji article

Capitals00 - could you care to explain what you mean that the edits "do not appear constructive". Are you referring to the formatting of references I gave or that you just happen to not like that I actually gave references of contemporary records that support one accepted date? Mkarja (talk) 17:26, 1 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mkarja: your edits don't describe why you are removing important content of the article. I will explain more later but first I would like to hear your explanation. Capitals00 (talk) 18:14, 4 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Julian calendar

User:Mkarja, What is the relevance of the Julian calendar to the birthday of Shivaji? Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 21:45, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the "based on multiple ..." part is unsourced. You should always source such statements. --regentspark (comment) 21:55, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jonathansammy:Good question! If you read the reference pdf, it would clear that the currently accepted date by the Government of Maharashtra of 19 February 1630 is based on the old Julian calendar and not converted to the Gregorian calendar of today. The English continued to use Julian, as you may know until 1752. Contemporary English Factory Records on Shivaji were all in Julian.

Take the example of Thomas Jefferson (or any historical British/American personalities born before 1752) where the birth date is always converted for all official purposes to Gregorian. In the case of Shivaji it is not converted to March 1, 1630! This piece of information is lost on many and is critical to mention.

Julian is often shortened as O.S (Old Style) and Gregorian as N.S (New Style)

Hope this helped...

User:Mkarja, This is an important piece of information.You should expand it in the Note section with reliable sources.The references you cite do not say explicitly that Maharashtra government has got the birth-date wrong per the Gregorian calendar.Our average reader is mainly interested in the birth-date per calendar currently in use which is the Gregorian calendar.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 23:20, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have to admit that I find it odd that the Government of Maharashtra, an entity that has existed only since 1960 - well after the Gregorian calendar was adopted, should go about using the Julian calendar. If you're going to include this, please provide ironclad sources - academic ones - that indicate that this Julian calendar thing is both accurate as well as worth including. --regentspark (comment) 23:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The reference pdf for the Julian to Gregorian issue with specific example of Chh. Shivaji is a published article (Apte, Mahajani, Vahia) from a peer-reviewed scientific journal (Current Science) with authors from a public research university (TIFR). I am not sure what other "iron-clad" sources are fancied here!

I have seen a lot of content on Shivaji where it is referring to information from a book published by a university, and the author in the book is not citing any reference to the claimed information that is included in this article. That is acceptable? Mkarja (talk) 02:57, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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