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Previous discussion (in Archive 4, referred to in Archive 5) was against inclusion. Consensus can change, and, there being no guidelines now, it might come down to a vote, in spite of WP:NOTVOTE, but it should not be included without discussion. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:35, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose - After five years, the event has had little lasting impact, and it's really just one more in a long list of mass shootings in the US. That said, it was a significant event that year, and it is still one of the deadliest mass shootings in modern US history. I probably wouldn't be opposed to inclusion if the article had more local events from around the world, but as it stands, this event wouldn't fit with the rest of the article. -- irn (talk) 22:10, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, there are many other significant local events that aren't included that I think should be before Sandy Hook: the 2012 Pakistan factory fires, the 2012 Delhi gang rape, the Comayagua prison fire, and the Port Said Stadium riot are some examples. -- irn (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
- I think it bizarre that you would seek to exclude "the deadliest mass shooting at either a high school or grade school in U.S. history and the fourth-deadliest mass shooting by a single person in U.S. history" from a synopsis of the year's most notable events. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- Mass shootings like this are so common in the US that you have to qualify it by the specific type of institution in which it happened in order for it to stand out. But again, I'm not opposed to its inclusion; I'm opposed to its inclusion in the article as it stands now. Including it when we don't include events like those I've named above – events with greater death tolls and greater repercussions – is a form of systemic bias. -- irn (talk) 14:07, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- I think it bizarre that you would seek to exclude "the deadliest mass shooting at either a high school or grade school in U.S. history and the fourth-deadliest mass shooting by a single person in U.S. history" from a synopsis of the year's most notable events. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:39, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, there are many other significant local events that aren't included that I think should be before Sandy Hook: the 2012 Pakistan factory fires, the 2012 Delhi gang rape, the Comayagua prison fire, and the Port Said Stadium riot are some examples. -- irn (talk) 22:33, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
- Include probably the most covered child massacre in the history of the western world. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:44, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
- That is an outright lie. Columbine was much better known and covered. This is not an argument against inclusion, only that TRM's argument is without basis. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:47, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for your ongoing personal attacks Rubin, another one for the list which will see your permanent exclusion from the project. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:33, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
- That is an outright lie. Columbine was much better known and covered. This is not an argument against inclusion, only that TRM's argument is without basis. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:47, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Eclipses
See WT:YEARS#Eclipses for a matter relevant to this page. Arthur Rubin (alternate) (talk) 23:09, 26 June 2019 (UTC)