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i've added citations to this one that hopefully now provide support for all the authorities I didn't create the first draft, but I think it should be published and have been working on solving the issues. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Amir_Ali_(lawyer)

Lawandsports (talk) 21:23, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lawandsports, please wait and a reviewer will review it soon. Thank you. KartikeyaS (talk) 19:31, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KartikeyaS343 Comment

GeneralNotability, zzuuzz and MER-C, please check my edits thoroughly because I am being framed here. Kart2409 is not my account and please think for a moment, if I have to create a sock, I would have used something different username, not similar sounding username. This username was created similar to my username to frame me and made similar edits because I have deleted several UPE articles by tagging them or moving them to draftspace (please do check my whole contributions over the years). Also, I checked this similar group also created these same pages in Simple English Wikipedia by this sock-farm[1] for the same reason. Please have a detailed look before you blame me as a sock. --KartikeyaS (talk) 09:59, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Blablubbs as well. I am open to any questions because I am being framed here. --KartikeyaS (talk) 10:04, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi KartikeyaS343. Thanks, I do have some questions. I'm aware framing is a real possibility here. Interestingly enough, I've never seen UPEs hound the people who hunt them – I have seen them hound the competition. Anyhow, let's leave the socking aside for a moment and talk about some other concerns of mine.
  1. Why did you create Luma Health and XOR (company)? Reading them, they look like pretty run of the mill covert ads to me, including the obligatory buzzwords, veiled testimonials and dodgy sourcing. I'll leave the assessment of the third page to others.​​
  2. As someone interested in combatting UPE, why did you mark Victor Begg as patrolled while only tagging it for notability? The page introduces him as is an Indian-born Muslim American author, philanthropist and community leader. Alongside his column-writing and community activism, which is hallmark COI phrasing if I've ever seen it.
  3. Why did you accept Pat Burt at AfC, despite it being a pretty obvious campaign ad created by an SPA? E.g:
    "While on the council, Burt led on fiscal management, environmental and climate protection, emergency preparedness, transportation, infrastructure investment, and regional collaboration."
    "Burt’s community contributions include support of public/private partnerships to modernize and expand civic facilities including the Palo Alto Art Center, Jr Museum and Zoo, Children’s Library, park improvements, Avenidas senior center, Magical Bridge Playground, and Ada’s Café.."
    "Burt has been an environmental policy leader at regional, state, and national levels"
  4. Why did you mark Sefa (musician), a page that has 9 references in total, of which 4 are to Youtube and one is to Instagram, as reviewed without tagging it in any way?
  5. Why did you accept Cara Spencer, a thinly veiled campaign ad about someone who fails NPOL with a half-baked controversy section to make it appear less like one?
  6. When you reviewed OneConnect Financial Technology, did you notice that the creator shows most of the hallmark signs of UPE and pretty clearly gamed autoconfirmed status?
  7. Why did you accept Cultivate Entertainment, yet another SPA creation that's mostly a massive namedrop? The sourcing is not great for establishing notability (to say the least), and includes at least one SEO spamsite.
Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 13:41, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Noting that the OneConnect and Cultivate articles have since been draftified by GSS (thanks); see Draft:OneConnect Financial Technology and Draft:Cultivate Entertainment. Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 15:37, 28 November 2020 (UTC) [reply]
Blablubbs thank you for asking the questions. From my experience, I've often seen UPEs vandalising editors who tag their articles for deletion. Specially, in my case, I believe this is a long-term abuser who knows how the Wikipedia community works. Specially, note the timing of Kart2409's edits. They started similar editing when I was tagging several UPE articles. Now to your questions:
  1. Luma Health: I personally heard about this company from one of my acquittances who resides in the US. I still believe the AfD was incorrect. Both Vexations and HighKing's rationale were to the point inline with the guidelines but anyway, it was deleted and I did not bother to re-create it.
  2. XOR (company) this is similar case and when it went to AfD, I didn't put any efforts to rescue it becuase from my past experience I have seen a biased against pages on companies. It is easy to tag them as promotional or advertising even if one mention the business in details.
  3. Victor Begg: I still do not find is an Indian-born Muslim American author, philanthropist and community leader. Alongside his column-writing and community activism as a hallmark of COI. I might have very less experience than you but this is a straightforward statement of what this person does or am I missing something here?
  4. Pat Burt: SPA has never been a concern for me at AfC because most new users who submit articles can be termed as SPA easily. I only concerned about them when they make a !vote in AfD. I made a Google news search before accepting this article and I found enough coverage to conclude that it met GNG and NPOL. I tagged it for more citations so that the creator or any other editor can add those easily available sources to the article.
  5. The sentences you listed for Pat Burt also looks fine to me. It could have been phrased better but this doesn't look like spam to me.
  6. Sefa (musician): I marked it as reviewed because it has been covered in non-English sources with articles present in other Wikipedia projects[2]. I accept it was a mistake on my part for not thoroughly checking the cited references.
  7. I accepted Cara Spencer because it meets NPOL. And I am not sure, why this is a concern because if I had a connection with this page, I would have marked it as reviewed later. Many articles accepted through AfC ended up in AfD! AfC is not full-proof.
  8. OneConnect Financial Technology: I did not check the editor's contributions. I only check their talk pages when a page looks advertising. To me, this page looks ok.
  9. Cultivate Entertainment this has been covered in several reputed sources! How do you conclude its sources are not enough? This could be put in AfD instead of draftifying it. --KartikeyaS (talk) 17:30, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To add to that, why did you accept Inspur Servers, which looked like this when you accepted it? Did you even read below the fold? MER-C 17:08, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
MER-C, it is a subsidiary of a notable company. The references were good. AfC is not final. It was not blatant spam so AfD is the process here. If I had any connection with this then I would have accepted the other submission by this user or have marked that page as reviewed. --KartikeyaS (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
GSS, I do not even heard of this editor before. I really do not have any connection with this user. If you have any off-wiki details, then please share with the other admins involved here. If there is a particular thing you cannot mention here then you can email me your question. --KartikeyaS (talk) 17:24, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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