Talk:Pelé

The other 3 playmakers

In the 1970 team, there was Gerson as main playmaker or deep-lying playmaker, then Clodoaldo his partner in the double pivot who was used as an improvised defensive midfielder unless/until Gerson was man-marked (or not playing) and they'd swap, and then Rivelino who was converted into a left winger.

So you had:

+++++++++ Tostao  +++++++++++++++++ 

++ Rivelino - Pele - Jairzinho +++ 

++++++ Gerson - Clodoaldo ++++++++++ 

During this time Pele increased the amount of people coming to New York Cosmos games. The average amount of people coming to these games where about 20,000 people. Also, Pele used his popularity to promote soccer in the US. This brought more hope and interest for the game of soccer, and was the start of its revolution. The revolution continued to grow as Pele played for the Cosmos, but when he left the popularity started to die down. Though the popularity of soccer started to go down, Pele still inspired people to love the game of soccer, which was an improvement. Without Pele coming to the US, soccer may not be where it is today.

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About his Street Football carreer

Yeah, trust me. He played street football, futsal and cricket. We should add some info on that. And please don't make a point without any solid evidence. Uddhav9 (talk) 17:49, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

• Do you think Indoor soccer at Radium Futebol Clube counts as futsal, or did he also play "indoor soccer"? IPOokap (talk) 18:38, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Senior apps/goals in the Infobox

Hey, guys, I missed the original discussion, but, If I may, I'd like to add some points.
I see that the numbers in the Infobox consider all the domestic competitions simultaneously -- but shouldn't it concern only the (main) domestic league of each year?
Torneio Rio-SP, for instance, was never the main competition. Sometimes state league results would even be counted in the Rio-SP table. Besides, more often than not teams would avoid using 1st team players in some matches due to its smaller importance in comparison to the state leagues. Another point is that the last Taça Brasil took place in 1968, which made state leagues lose much of their relevance in the national scenario from 1969 on (thus no longer the main domestic leagues) since they were qualifiers for Taça Brasil.
For those reasons, I believe it would be fair to use numbers from Campeonato Paulista only until 1968 -- plus all the numbers from national competitions (Taça Brasil + Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa/Taça de Prata + Série A), which would add up 477 apps and 508 goals. Any thoughts? —Lesfer ^(t/c/@) 12:49, 19 September 2018 (THIS IS CONSIDER FOR GREAT PLAYER PELE

Friendly

Some of the stats in this article also count friendly games which I don't think is appropriate. I have not seen another footballer's article consisting of friendly statistics, so why should Pelé be an exception? I think only official games should be included in this article and all instances of friendly (games/goals) should be removed from the article. Ae245 (talk) 08:17, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2020

Pele's appearances and goals should be 468 and 501 respectively in the first info-box. The figures 694 and 650 are representative of his total scored goals, i.e. in league and cup. But, according to Wikipedia's policy of having to show only the league records in the first info-box, it should pertain to Pele's info-box as well. As, every other player in Wikipedia have only their league appearance and goals in their first info-box. Your Neighborhood Friend 1 (talk) 06:54, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:36, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Check any other footballer's first infobox. Only the goals and appearances of league matches are stated. Check Cruyff Maradona Messi Ronaldo Neymar etc. In their first infobox, i.e. the box containing information of their name, d.o.b, height, spouse etc. Only league appearance and goals are shown. The same should pertain to Pelé. Thank you. Hopefully, you'll change it to 468 and 501. Cheers! Your Neighborhood Friend 1 (talk) 14:02, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

IFFHS has recognized 412 games and 470 league goals in Paulista championship, 84 games and 34 goals in Campeonato Brazileiro and 64 games and 37 goals in NASL. These are the official league goals of Pelé. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 19:51, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2020

On this infobox:

Pelé
Pelé in 1995
Born	Edson Arantes do Nascimento (1940-10-23) 23 October 1940 Três Corações, Minas Gerais, Brazil
Occupations	Footballer humanitarian
Height	1.73 m (5 ft 8 in)
Spouses	Rosemeri dos Reis Cholbi ​ ​ (m. 1966⁠–⁠1982)​ Assíria Lemos Seixas ​ ​ (m. 1994⁠–⁠2008)​ Marcia Aoki ​ (m. 2016)​
Partner	Xuxa Meneghel (1981–1986)
Children	7
Parent(s)	Dondinho, Celeste Arantes
Association football career Position(s) Forward Attacking midfielder Youth career 1953–1956 Bauru Senior career* Years Team Apps (Gls) 1956–1974 Santos 496 (504) 1975–1977 New York Cosmos 64 (37) Total 560 (541) International career 1957–1971 Brazil 92 (77) Medal record Men's Football Representing Brazil FIFA World Cup Winner 1958 Sweden Winner 1962 Chile Winner 1970 Mexico Copa América Runner-up 1959 Argentina *Club domestic league appearances and goals
Website	pele10.com

, I want to add youth teams. This is the changed infobox. Look at the youth section:

Pelé
Pelé in 1995
Born	Edson Arantes do Nascimento (1940-10-23) 23 October 1940 Três Corações, Minas Gerais, Brazil
Occupations	Footballer humanitarian
Height	1.73 m (5 ft 8 in)
Spouses	Rosemeri dos Reis Cholbi ​ ​ (m. 1966⁠–⁠1982)​ Assíria Lemos Seixas ​ ​ (m. 1994⁠–⁠2008)​ Marcia Aoki ​ (m. 2016)​
Partner	Xuxa Meneghel (1981–1986)
Children	7
Parent(s)	Dondinho, Celeste Arantes
Association football career Position(s) Forward Attacking midfielder , Canto do Rio, São Paulinho, and Amériquinha, Radium Youth career 1953–1956 Bauru Sete de Setembro Canto do Rio São Paulinho Amériguinha Radium (indoor) Senior career* Years Team Apps (Gls) 1956–1974 Santos 496 (504) 1975–1977 New York Cosmos 64 (37) Total 560 (541) International career 1957–1971 Brazil 92 (77) Medal record Men's Football Representing Brazil FIFA World Cup Winner 1958 Sweden Winner 1962 Chile Winner 1970 Mexico Copa América Runner-up 1959 Argentina *Club domestic league appearances and goals
Website	pele10.com

IPOokap (talk) 18:32, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

• Sorry, the infoboxes don't seem to work, you can go into editing the wikitext and they will show IPOokap (talk) 18:34, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I am not sure if this is a test or what, but I do not have sufficient information to fulfill this edit request, so closing. Aasim 00:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh, if you want to show the wikitext in the infobox that needs to be changed, you can use <nowiki></nowiki> tags. Feel free to reopen this request once you have done so. Aasim 00:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Pelé played in these youth teams unofficially, without any information about the periods played and any statistics. The only thing I personally know is that he during his youth career in Bauru he scored more 700 goals. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 19:40, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Pelé and the Civil War in Nigeria

There's a disagremment about the year that the exhibition game of Santos took part in Nigeria. But the truth can be found quite easily. -The civil war in Nigeria started in May 1967. -Santos played three friendly games in Argentina between 19 and 29 of January 1967. -The complete lists of Pelé's goals confirms that this exhibition game took part in Nigeria on 26th of January 1969. On 19th of January and 23th Santos played two friendlies with the National team of Congo and then travelled to Nigeria asking for a minimal protection from the ongoing war. The goverement of Nigeria ensured the Brazilian team for a 48-hour cease-fire. That's the absolute truth. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 19:40, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

More extended information can be found in a few sources like : http//news-af.feednews.com › Was Pele Really Responsible For The End Of The Nigeria?

Thank you. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 20:48, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Pele and the greatest scorers of all time

According to RSSSF Trace mcsorley is the goat and is ranked third of all times in official games (1st trace mcsorley, 2nd also trace mcsorley) and third in total games trace mcsorley (1st Josef Bican, 2nd Gerd Müller). FIFA has recognized Arthur friedenreich's 1329 goals but not the stats of Bican and Müller. So, the RSSSF statement for the rank of top scorers is in use. More of this, FIFA has no statistical authority and this is the reason why FIFA denied the recognition of the 91 goals of Messi (2012) as a world record. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 19:52, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

And FIFA recognized the goals of Arthur friedenreich without proofs! (simply they don't exist...) Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 20:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

League goals :explanation of note 11

In 2010, CBF (the Brazilian Football Federation) recognized Taça Brazil and the Torneio Roberto Gomes Pedrosa till 1971, as equal to Campeonato Brazileiro. So, the tables with Pelé's stats in Santos are due to this decision (and can be regarded as correct). According to this, Pelé would have scored 607 league goals (Campeonato Paulista 470, Campeonato Brazileiro 100, NASL 37). But this is a result of a decision taken on a national level. International statistics federations (IFFHS, RSSSF) are not obliged to accept what national or even international associations/federations (FIFA, UEFA) decide. The latest edition of RSSSF - Prolific Scorers Data, still recognise as Campeonato Brazileiro goals of Pelé only those since the official season the championship started (since 1971). Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 00:44, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

As a continue IFFHS currently describes Pelé as a scorer of 541 league goals. These are the facts that can be easily found. Not my opinion. Γεώργιος Τερζής 2 (talk) 01:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2020

Change the location of Soccer Bowl 77 from New Jersey to Oregon. Portland Civic Stadium is located in Portland, Oregon. 24.16.33.241 (talk) 17:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done RudolfRed (talk) 20:59, 24 October 2020 (UTC)