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A fact from KPS 9566 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 20 June 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the Unicode characters ☕, ☔, and ⚡ were originally proposed by North Korea?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2020/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/KPS 9566.

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«See also» wikilink to Cult of personality

I question the need to include this link. The manner in which the North Korean populace are expected to regard their current leader and his ancestors is a matter of public record dating back to the time of Kim Il Sung. The fact the KPS 9566 character encoding includes separate and consequent symbols for KIS and KJI, and two versions of the symbol of the Workers' Party of Korea, should be enough to alert readers to the political influences on the design of this encoding. The article should confine itself to the technical aspects and the attempts to align it with Unicode and other CJK encodings. Rugxulo (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Due to no replies either way I'll remove this section. Rugxulo (talk) 22:33, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that the characters ☕, ☔, and ⚡ were originally proposed by North Korea?~~ Source: [1][2], [3]
- ALT1:~~... that the North Korean national body proposed the addition of a "Hammer and Sickle and Brush" symbol to Unicode in 2001?~~ Source: [4][5]

Comment: Article written by my friend; I suggested to her that it would be a fascinating DYK. Will do QPQ asap of course.
Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nazi analogies

5x expanded by HarJIT (talk). Nominated by Maplestrip (talk) at 17:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC).[reply]

@Maplestrip:, this is neither new nor was it a 5x expansion. What is the basis for the nomination? --evrik ^(talk) 00:40, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It was a 5x expansion in prose between April 28 and May 4 (see here). Tables of data are not included in the 5x expansion calculation for DYK. The article went from ~4 paragraphs of prose to over 40 paragraphs of prose, now I'm counting them I suppose it's even a 10x expansion. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Confirming that it hit 5x expansion on May 1, according to DYKcheck. Kingsif (talk) 23:57, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alt2 ~~... that the characters ☕, ☔, and ⚡ were originally proposed by North Korea, though not always with their final proposed meanings?~~
Nominated at the time of its expansion. Long enough, sourced, QPQ done. Offering a new hook. --evrik ^(talk) 19:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I find this less snappy and eye-catching, but it's accurate and fine. I'm alright with this alt if you think the original hook is not acceptable, though I don't think the note "not always with their final proposed meanings" is necessary for the hook at all... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:29, 27 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also prefer ALT0, but maybe it would benefit from adding the word Unicode:
ALT0a: ... that the Unicode characters ☕, ☔, and ⚡ were originally proposed by North Korea?
Meanwhile, there are numerous paragraphs in the article without any cites, per WP:DYKSG#D2. There are also some "citation needed" tags. Yoninah (talk) 23:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The addition of "Unicode" (ALT0a) looks good :) — as for the paragraph with the "citation needed" tags, I think @HarJIT: would be the best person to solve that if she can. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:08, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've done another pass over the article today, adding several more in-line citations, and also removing the tagged uncited edition years (I'd not found mention of those editions outside of Wikipedia itself, and even if they were genuine, they were not editions which I have been able to find any further detail about, so mentioning them seemed not to be crucial). --HarJIT (talk) 15:27, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, @HarJIT: We just need one more cite (indicated in article) to verify the last 2 symbols in the hook fact. Yoninah (talk) 17:19, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have adjusted that section, with a few additional citations, and with some reformulation so that the citations consistently follow the claims which they verify. Is this sufficient? --HarJIT (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is, thank you. Here is a full review: 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. ALT0a verified and cited inline. QPQ done. ALT0a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 20:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Private use characters

I think it's confusing to use the actual private use characters from KPS9566.TXT because they will never be rendered properly on any system. I would like to see PUA characters (like E100) replaced in the charts with "�" and "� Not in Unicode" added to the legend for the affected tables. I don't have an issue listing the PUA code point under the � character if someone sees value in it. And I don't want � to replace characters represented by images (like 2E2F/F104) or equivalents (like F105). Are there objections to me making this change? DRMcCreedy (talk) 16:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No objection here. The private use code points are listed mostly to show the mappings documented as being used by Red Star OS (as in attachments to [6]) or used in other DPRK-originated data files (as in [7], which KPS9566.TXT references and primarily derives from). As you rightly mention, the chances of them as verbatim PUA characters showing up correctly are next to nil (since, for a start, anyone accessing Wikipedia probably isn't using a North Korean made system to do so). --HarJIT (talk) 17:01, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks. DRMcCreedy (talk) 19:06, 19 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Colors

I see a bunch of different colors in the tables, but I see no key telling me what each color signifies. I even tried searching for the words "color" and "blue". Am I missing something? --Guy Macon (talk) 04:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fair comment; the key is after the first trail byte chart, but I should probably add keys after all charts, given how many there are. --HarJIT (talk) 14:46, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done --HarJIT (talk) 14:53, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Much better. Thanks! --Guy Macon (talk) 17:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]