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Alsóvalkó

Here it is: Valcău de Jos. If you need any more villages or anything from Hungarian Wikipedia, just tell me, I like to translate :) – Alensha ^talk 21:56, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

OMG, your talk page is quite popular, I see :D I added to those two articles what I could. In Cavnic I found contradicting data, so I left a comment. Also, these Slavic name ethymologies should be checked by a native speaker of a Slavic language. Do you know any? I only knew Juro, he could be very useful if anything seemed to prove that the whole universe is of Slovak origin, but he has been banned. – Alensha ^talk 23:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, done as well. Biruitorul 02:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

STOP THE ATTACK TO CHILE

The origen of the Chilean population is spaniard, (to see demography of Chile ) the Chile economy does not have a 58% of poverty, is impossible with the entrance per capita and the HDI of Chile. Finally you not exclude please the beautiful images from my country. thanks. MY SOURCES:

1.- UNIVERSITY OF CHILE [[1]]

2,. THE WORLD VALUES WORLD CHILE 2006 [[2]]

3.- SPAIN GOV. [[3]]

4.- CIA [[4]]

Antarcticwik 22:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Reggaetón Protection Again

Hi, you helped me protect the reggaetón page a while back because anonymous users were involved in edit wars. The semi-protection was moved by GTBacchus where they changed the name of the page, which is fine for now because at least they’re willing to discuss the matter. While the name has been changed, it has not been agreed that the spelling in the article has changed. No such consensus has been agreed and more anonymous users have sprung up to quickly revert the changes without discussing or providing information for their actions. I’ve already reverted the user 70.149.187.88’s changes twice, but they keeps on changing it without discussion. I also warned them that edit wars are not neccesary, so for now their edits have remained so that hopefully you could protect the page again. I’d move the page back, but the anonymous user will just do it again. Please help bring order, this user is also calling me a vandal just like the previous user who brought on the edit war. Thank you. --Noé Æ 22:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

STOP ATTACK TO CHILE

The origen of the Chilean population is spaniard, (to see demography of Chile ) the Chile economy does not have a 58% of poverty, is impossible with the entrance per capita and the HDI of Chile. Finally you not exclude please the beautiful images from my country. thanks. MY SOURCES:

1.- UNIVERSITY OF CHILE [[5]]

2,. THE WORLD VALUES WORLD CHILE 2006 [[6]]

3.- SPAIN GOV. [[7]]

4.- CIA [[8]]

Antarcticwik 22:47, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Vandal Block

I just want to apologize for the vandalism caused by an anonymous user whose IP address escapes me. PS: Thank you for blocking that user, I did NOT want him to get to my userpage. ~Steptrip 00:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

TO STOP THE LIES

THE POVERTY IN CHILE IS OF 18 PERCENT (2006) SOURCES: http://www.fao.org/geonetwork/srv/es/metadata.show?id=3696&currTab=simple

http://www.unicef.cl/indicadores/pobreza.htm

Antarcticwik 01:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Vakif

Done! - Fedayee 03:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

You just change anything that I contribute to, don't you?Dapiks 05:49, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Reggaeton

I can see your point, however the user is not vandalising/launching PA's in this instance - and is making a valid argument, as well as providing examples. Therefore I have posted back the content in my name on the user's behalf. Sfacets 07:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Tacopimp

Is an indefinite block for username. We don't allow the word pimp. pschemp | talk 07:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Vakilfi

Yes sure, no problem I'll do that :) ROOB323 08:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

SEY01

Please also take a look at to the link given by the "Northern Kurdistan" and check the names of provinces before making correction. SEY01 10:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure about the demography of the province either. SEY01 10:14, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

List of Turkic states and empires

Please check the talk page and recent edits, mostly those by A.Garnet. As for the word "hypocrite" - I do not consider it a personal attack. Maybe it's because I have another "interpretation" of the word since English is not my first or second language. As for the word "vandalism", I have already removed it from the text. Tājik 11:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Iranian Revolution

What happened? Sa.vakilian and myself are in dispute over the article. You're right, it's a mess. I'll work to clean it up. --Leroy65X 15:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

my assistance request was vandalised

Dear khoikhoi - I can't understand what happened. some user erased totally information on my page - request for assistance and replaced it with absolutely irrelevant information. see diff [9]--Dacy69 17:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Armenia-Azerbaijan

Please take a look. Your input would likely be quite valuable. Jd2718 21:32, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, you could take a look at this: Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#Statement_by_uninvolved_editor_user:jd2718. If you think my comments are way off base, I'd like to know that. Jd2718 05:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

My talk page

You posted a greeting on my talk page. May I ask why? (I am a few months old user fyi.) Anonimu 22:26, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Your help please

I am having some difficulty with the same set of nationalist editors at least in 4 different articles. They are and the counter measures I havetaken about them.

• Talk:Allegations_of_mass_graves_at_Chemmani#Categorisation The discussion is it a mass grave or not. (Posted it in RFC)
• Talk:Chencholai_bombing the discussion is it is a massacre or not. UNICEF and SLMM say that the dead are civilian children not child soldiers – (no action taken)
• Talk:Kokkadichcholai_massacre specifically about 1987 incident. I have found what I think is three WP:RS sources which say it happened but it is being contested. (I tried third opinion none received yet)
• Talk:Mirusuvil mass grave Neutrality is questioned although I asked a third party to look over it.

Also I have evidence of one of the editors WP:STALK me for over 3 months now. That's a different matter, I dont need to deal with it now but about the articles. Please let me know how to proceed further. Thanks RaveenS 22:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Location maps

Please note that there is NO consensus for the current locator maps -- and I dare any editor to show me where this is -- and that the original PNG maps were in place for MONTHS before any of relatively recent (bad) map changes. Change is good, but these aren't. Read the Country WikiProject talk page for more information. Corticopia 23:44, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

DRV comment - in the right place?

You made a deletion review comment that could have been for one of two deletion reviews, due to the way that one of them was being transcluded. I think I put it in the right place. But can you check Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 February 23 and if necessary move your comment from the "Talk:Brian Peppers" section to the no-longer transcluded "Daniel Brandt" sub-page. Thanks. GRBerry 23:54, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

User:Ahmadinejad's Cats

Hey, can I just ask why you blocked Ahmadinejad's Cats for their username? There was a discussion here on RFCN that said it should be allowed RyanPostlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 01:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Persian transliteration

Hi KhoiKhoi I would like to ask for revision of WP:MoS for Persian transliteration. MoS forces us to use Arabic transliteration for Persian words. It makes no sense. Please see [10] and [11]. Do you know how can we ask for revision of WP:MoS? Thanks. Sangak 12:24, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

May I write a guideline for WP:MoS (Persian) ?Sangak 12:27, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Pontus Rumları

Hi! The naming is Pontus Rumları. As you had pointed, the word "Pontus" is rarely used in Turkish; its usage is restricted to contexts referring to Greeks and antiquity. Ciao! Behemoth 15:01, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Al-Kwarizmi

Hi Khoikhoi,

You reverted my edit back from the Arab Empire to the Sassanid Empire. The Arabs conquered Iran in the 7th century and China conquered Central Asia. The Arabs fought with the Chinese for Central Asia for the last time during the battle of Talas in 751. In 780, Khiva was Arab. Here is the map of the Arab Empire:

Khiva is in the yellow area south of the Aral Sea and the Western Turks. Do you agree that Sassanids should be replaced by the Arabs?--Daanschr 15:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

There was many local rulers there. We can replace it with Abbassid empire, but Khwarizm had a Persian based dialect as described by Biruni. --alidoostzadeh 06:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I will respond on the talk page of Al-Kwarizmi, since we are with three persons at the moment in this debate.--Daanschr 12:18, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

There is no need for it. I like the present solution.--Daanschr 12:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Chilean edits

Could you explain in a bit more detail your edits to Chile? (obviously excluding reversions to Antarcticwik's edits). Have you read my edits on the talk pages: Talk:Chile and Talk:Demographics of Chile? What is your opinion? Jespinos 16:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

endorsement

I wondered if you are enforcing (or endorsement) this text that you have added [12]. If you read the GA failure [13] all the arguments of GA faılure ıs in the text of your addition. As you know, there is a distinction between a person (biography) and an ideology. The person is Ataturk, and the ideology is Atatürk's Reforms, in the text that you endorse. Something that extends beyond a person's activities belongs to the ideology. I do not know, what is your position, how you will approach this with a text that does not have citations? However I intend to bring quality into this article, and your addition (enforcement or endorsement) does have a lot of problems. Hope you take time on this issue, you will recognize that the concepts you endorse with this text is already included in the article or in the Atatürk's Reforms. Thanks. OttomanReference 15:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I resent that you demise all my efforts into "Khoikhoi>>make much sense to hide the information." The separation of Atatürk's biography and Atatürk's reforms are clear and any non biased person can see it. Besides there is more than enough links to Atatürk's reforms from Atatürks biography. LETS CONCENTRATE ON THE REAL ISSUE: The section you added (endorsing) is huge and contains many different things (arguments) which does not show a coherency. I'm requesting from you (who is an ADMINISTRATOR); remove the arguments (especially non-cited) from your endorsement which is below par level. The section as you added has things which can not be endorsed and this is my support. You are a stringer Kurd activist which means you have a bias; if you can not appreciate the greatness of ATATURK (to kurds), it only proves your limited knowledge of this period. Thanks and I'm looking for your efforts in the mentioned section. --OttomanReference 14:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

I guess you are behind all the text you have added [14]. As you are endorsing it, You are the one who should be challenged (ask the verifications) of arguments in this section, right? OttomanReference 18:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

This is about the quality of the article. My point is that there were factual issues (not only my point), which I tried to eliminate. Also ">>Khoikhoi:compromise is a compromise; I "endorse" having something that all editors agreed upon" I do not find anywhere that claims compromise is more important than the factuality. My point is that I have already moved relevant parts to appropriate sections that has the contextual background (instead of one liners). I also introduced may citations which did not have citations before. I'm asking you; Are you personally endorsing this section? Are you endorsing anything that is not factual (no citations)? There is no way this article will pass GA criteria with that section that you reverted. if you are endorsing this section there is no way to improvement and bring the article to GA level. If you are behind whole section; I'm not going to have edit wars with you. Is it too much to ask you keep only what you are endorsing, get rid of the rest? Thanks have a nice day. --OttomanReference 21:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Bocicoiu Mare, Lunca et al

You are welcome, I was currious myself. I am sorry I cannot find more detailed information on the web. If you ever need translation from Romanian, you know where to find me. The first of the two links you showed me is nice, and BTW it has also a scheme-map of the comune on the Romanian side, which is south on top and north on bottom. I guess you want to go see somewhere where the table in the left down corner is :-) (plus minus a few hundred yards). The second link you showed me already in late November, I remember reading it. It was just before I became very busy and did not contribute to Wikipedia for a month.

Well, I guess now it is your turn to go, see and write an account. Sooner or later you will have the occasion. It is worth even as a vacation. You can take the airplane to Budapest or Cluj-Napoca, and the train from there. They were building a bridge in Sighetul Marmatiei during the last few years, so you should be able to cross onto Ukraine. I am not sure about Ukrainian visa, but for Romania you will either not need one, or it will be a plain formality (hopefully processed not by some lazy bureaucrat). Prices to stay nowadays vary from as little as 10$ per night to as much as 200$ per night (sometimes for the same quality), and you are much more likely to be overcharged in Bucharest than in Transylvania. Of course, try to avoid cities in which there are some festivals during the days of those events. Well, if you are planning and have something more specific in mind, drop me a line. There is a small but non-negligible chance that I might get to that region next summer. If so, I'll obviously save all contacts and info.:Dc76 19:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Reverting into madness

Yeah I realized that. What is with that guy? He basically seems bent upon screwing up the article without adding anything of value. Tombseye 23:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

So what do we do about him? We all agreed on the version we had and we make a few changes here and there, but taking out pictures just because they aren't pan-Azeri or to his liking? And without bringing in anything comparable to replace them with. Well, at least I don't have to worry about it for 24 hours or whatever time it is. Tombseye 23:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Unblock citta

Read the below, there is NO COPYRIGHT VIOLATION, Ryūlóng HAS IN ERROR, jumped to a false conclusion.

Refrain from vandalism of citta on wiki

You need to talk in discussion on citta, before removing the entire page, you did not notice, that the ENTIRE original entry is present at the bottom.

It is unwise to erase talk:citta, and against wiki rules Attasarana 23:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

All of that text seems to be from http://www.attan.com/start.html which is a copyright violation.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:26, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I OWN Attan.com, all of it, I wrote EVERYTHING ON attan.com, I OWN it, I WROTE it, it is ALL MINE. Your claim: 23:24, 24 February 2007 Ryulong (Talk | contribs) (do not rewrite this article with what appears to be a copyright violation) , is unsubstantiated. Stop your vandalism, or I will request Wiki editor sieze your vadanlism. Attasarana 23:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Then do you really want to release all of your work so that it has no copyright and can be changed by anyone and everyone?—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, anything I use on wiki is free-use, I release all materials I WROTE, and Pali I TRANSLATED. I save my copyrighted materials for my books, not for materials on attan.com. If you question that I own attan.com, send an email to its webmaster, I will be the sole person who responds. Attasarana 23:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Attasarana, if so, please send an email to apermissions AT wikipedia.org (replace the "AT" with "@"). Thanks, Khoikhoi 23:42, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

You are the one who has, without ANY evidences, blocked citta, it should be your responsibility to undue your error, not mine. And what do I say IN the email, perchance. You need to correct Ryulong for his error, and you have not done so. 23:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Ryulong and yourself, in all too quick fashion, jumped to a conclusion without evidences or otherwise, which is unprofessional at best. Attasarana 23:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

How are we supposed to know if you did not mention this in the first place. Just e-mail permissions@wikipedia.org and tell them that you release your published works under the GFDL, and tell them the article at which you are releasing your works under.—Ryūlóng (竜龍) 23:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

"We", referring to the both of you jumped to a conclusion, all too quickly, very very unprofessional. It took you all of about 4 mins. to unwisely get the thread locked and ASSUME "copryright voilation" where none exited. Attasarana 23:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Velykyy Bychkiv

I do not have data for this place. The source that I used for Mukacheve does not have data for Velykyy Bychkiv: http://www.ukrcensus.gov.ua/eng/results/general/nationality/Zakarpattia/ PANONIAN (talk) 00:45, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:

It's not the source that matters the info is POV its made of theories from movses etc its old out dated, its also irrelevant in the section you cant summarize Armenian history there. Artaxiad 08:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hes an ancient historian, the quote is a mix of ancient history and Armenian nationalism which is obviously wrong. Artaxiad 08:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Some info from someone I asked: It's outdated. It mentions the folk-history version of Khorenatsi and his "Hayg" theories. Furthermore it states an invasion theory. The more advanced of theories point to an establishment of "Armenian" hegemony due to alliance with the invading Iranians. Many invading tribes from the north had already destroyed the centers of Urartian civilization. The Armenians, whether part of the Urartian confederation or not before its destruction, didn't need to "invade". Artaxiad 08:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:

Everything is fine now, thanks. Tājik 11:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Hrodna

Why you cancelled my editions of Hrodna??? Gerea-en 14:48, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

ru-sib

The number of bots increases. You cannot fight them all manually. The closure of ru-sib drags ridiculously long. We have to push the wikimedia admins to do their job, e.g., here. `'mikka 17:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Kurdish Revolts

Do you want to add more info to this article, Kurdish Revolts. It deserves to be an article. Thanks. --OttomanReference 20:50, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I do not understand this; your friend creates a whole section about Kurdish Revolts; which is an important topic that bypass the Ataturk and his time, Why not peruse to turn it into a whole article and then add it as a link? What is the meaning of trying to create this concept inside the Ataturk Page? The Kurdish revolts are bigger than Ataturk; they exist before and after him. --OttomanReference 20:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not opposing this concept; I'm rejecting developing it as a major Ataturk thing. It is not a major Ataturk thing. It deserves its own page. There is another user who reverted the page, just after "Kurdish Revolts" introduced; If you look under the Mustafa_Kemal_Atatürk#Resistance.2C_1925-1927, sheik said is there with a link to rebellion. It was a resistance to the state right? --OttomanReference 21:07, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I will write more about it; but I have to do something else. Thanks --OttomanReference 21:09, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying it is not relevant; I'm saying the relevancy needs to be developed. The relevancy is not established with a single sentence under the Ataturk page; Are you going to cover the opposing arguments? Are you going to validate the supporting arguments? There is also a side that claims these were "Tribal" more than "National" uprisings of (individualism is not there yet) Kurdish population. Kurdish nationalism needs to be developed, no rejection, but I do not understand why it has to be under Ataturk? I see the relevancy of adding events, and Ataturks own views of the events, but CONCEPT development (event analysis) is something else. MY point (event analysis, conceptual development) needs to have their own articles. --OttomanReference 23:35, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Help me out with this paragraph that you are constantly reverting:

Claim:	Kurds criticize Atatürk for disregarding their cultural distinctions in pursuing a Turkish national identity.
Support 1)	In 1925, an uprising for an independent Kurdistan, led by Seyh Sait (Shaikh Said Piran), was put down quickly, and Sait and 36 of his followers were executed soon thereafter.
Support 2)	Kurdish revolts occurred in Ararat and Dersim in 1930 and 1937[38][39]. Turkish Air Force used aerial bombardments effectively against Kurdish uprisings.
Support 3)	Sabiha Gökçen, Turkey's first female pilot and the adopted daughter of Atatürk, took part in the bombing raids against the Dersim Kurds[40].

How does grand Kurdish culture is linked to Sheikh Said Rebellion? Are you claiming abolishing the caliphate was a grand plan to eliminate Kurdish identity? Education of women, elimination of feudalisms (economical reforms) is really performed to wipe out Kurdish Culture from the earth? Ataturk was against the "Shaikhs", because he was against the Shaikh Said? What is the meaning of Sabiha Gökçen and Dersim rebellion? Are you claim Sabiha Gökçen was specifically trained attack dog to kill Kurds? Do not get me wrong! I'm not trying to eliminate these arguments, BUT they need a lot of space to prove themselves. Especially, given the fact that during Ataturks time the penetration of the reforms to Kurdish Areas were very low. When I was a child Kurds were claiming that they did not see the effects of these reforms. Is it reversed, now? Why do you think "after 80 years from Ataturks time" Kurdish people have education problem (literacy rate is very low). The highest suicide rate is among Kurdish girls! Is it because Ataturk's reforms or is it because failure of implementation of Ataturk's reforms. Can You claim that the rebellions did not have negative effects on the socioeconomics of Kurdish people? Was the rebellions aim to improve the life of Kurds or keep the system as it was (the traditional way, under educated, linked to a sheick, etc). You want to discuss "80 years of Kurdish sin" under Ataturk's page? The guy died in 1938, he spend his last years in bed, you want to link 1937 events to him (not to the idealogy but to the person) Where is the justice in this? OttomanReference 02:29, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

If you really believe Atatürk was there to get the Kurds; the ideology needs to have its own page. I really try to understand your position. Why don't you use Kurdish Revolts as a starting page? Tell us why they were rebelled, what happened after they rebelled? I have a lot of Kurdish friends, none of them blame their problems to Ataturk. I really try to understand this position of yours, but this can not be solved under a biography page. Thanks. --OttomanReference 02:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

PS: I have just talked to a friend, who is proud of being Kurdish. Regarding cultural distinctions; he makes a difference between private life of Kurds and public life of Kurds in Turkey. He says no-one intervene with their private life. No-one intervened with his home or activities at his family gatherings (note:He had a traditional wedding!!!). He has been living outside Turkey, and he claims assimilation is stronger outside than in Turkey. He also claims that Sheikh Said Rebellion was more link to oil politics than anything else (else=Kurdish culture). --OttomanReference 02:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Qazakh trouble

Khoi, the Azeri editors on the Qazakh article are already catching on and User:Atabek is now insisting that Andersen's ADR map be removed. You have to do something. This article needs to be resolved. You need to intervene. Please help. -- Aivazovsky 00:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Look at this: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan/Evidence. Check out User:Atabek's report against me. -- Aivazovsky 00:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Pls stop user Jalaleddin

Please stop user:Jalaleddin He is new and perhaps does not know rules. He is pushing POV and make OR on page Farida Mamedova. He is not engaging in Talk Page. But it might be also that (I would not be suprised) he is someone's sockpuppet to push POV.--Dacy69 02:33, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I noted further he aggressively changing other pages. On Caucasian Albania he even removed semi-protection tag. Please stop him ASAP--Dacy69 02:46, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijani people

Hello. Why did you revert? None of the changes I made were incorrect. I simply reinserted the quotes, and modified the first sentence to take out the "partial Oghuz descent" because the genetics showed that there is no Oghuz descent for the most part. The section also says that there has been no studies within Iran. That is simply not true as there has been a Cambridge University study within Iran, and the results of both the on in the Azerbaijan Republic and the one in Iran show that the Azeri's from the Republic of A. are Caucasian while those in Iran are Iranic.Azerbaijani 04:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)