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moved to Wikipedia talk:Software updates

Feature request: Easier redirects to talk page

move to wikipedia:ignored feature requests

A feature request. Can we have a variable name like Template:TALKPAGE ("TALKPAGE") which expands to a link to the talk page for a page. It will make certain boilerplate text much easier to edit.

See wikipedia:bug reports. Martin

New design of main page

delete

A new design for the main page has been proposed at Main Page/Temp5. Please vote on whether the new design ought to replace the current design at Talk:Main Page/Layout design. Thank you. Angela 22:28, 7 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Pump moved

to wikipedia talk:village pump

Password not being accepted

Everytime I have tried to sign in I have been told my password is incorrect. What is going on? FearÉIREANN 02:54, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC) (And when I try to save this I am told I am in an edit conflict . . . with myself!!!'

I had the same problem; try turning off the 'remember my password' option. - Hephaestos 03:05, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Should be fixed. Old problem in the source cropped up again. --128.125.23.68 02:56, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

wikipedia.org is not redirecting to Main page



Spam from Within

moved to User talk:Patrick0Moran

Font size

Why am I seeing the font size on the 'pedia as tiny? I haven't changed my screen resolution and no other sites or applications are affected - just here. Did I change a preferences setting or something? This change happened sometime over the last couple of days -- sannse 08:44, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC) <-- feeling I'm probably asking something stupid

I noticed this too, the other day, although I didn't find default text to be objectionably small. I looked at what seems to be the controlling CSS and we are mucking with font sizes quite a bit, but it mostly seems to be on a relative basis (i.e. 120%, 95%, etc. of whatever base size the browser has set). Perhaps an absolute font size had been set previously which has now been deleted? In any case, changing your browser's font size settings should do the "right thing". The CSS looks pretty reasonably structured to me. Bill 12:50, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Yep, that worked. Course all my other favourite sites now look overly large instead - but I spend most of my on-line time here anyway and I can always flick the switch as I wander around. Thanks -- sannse 15:03, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

move to wikipedia:ignored feature requests

Is it possible to make a link show the table of contents of a page instead of its title? This could be useful for things like archived talks or lists where you would like to see an overview but not the full content. 141.83.55.66

Oh, you should write an overview yourself. AI is just not there yet. wshun 02:38, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
See wikipedia:bug reports to submit a feature request or bug report. Martin 16:03, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

FDL'ed Photos

listed at Wikipedia:GNU Free Documentation License resources

Waah, I broke it.

I started editing frenetically last week without reading the rules... I figured that I would learn them as I go, and now I'm actually bolding things... and citing. Yay.

But... the first article I wrote was Macworld Conference & Expo. I was on the Apple Macintosh page, and saw that Macworld Expo was listed, and decided to correct it to its proper name. Then I noticed there was no article for this newly created name (I was new then), and I set out creating an article.

Then a few days later I realized that there was still a Macworld Expo article... even if it was shorter. Oops. So... I guess the question is, should I make the other one a redirect, or should I merge the pages, and keep the old title? -Bugmuncher 17:09, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I think merging the short one into the long one, making the short one a redirect is most usual, if the long one has the better name. (17:14, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC))
Just copied the text from Macworld Expo to Macworld Conference & Expo, making Macworld Expo a redirect, haven't merged it properly, though. Ксип Cyp 17:21, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Un-typeable characters

Could someone give me info on how to display characters not on the standard US keyboard on Wikipedia. First of all, what is the best way to display such characters? I have seen a few ways in the past. Second, is there a listing or website somewhere which shows a table or something of all the different characters and their codes? MB 18:12, Aug 8, 2003 (UTC)

Does the table on Wikipedia:Special_characters help? —Frecklefoot 18:17, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
And what about Start/Programs/Accessories/System Tools/Character Map, if you have it? (Might need switching to Unicode.) (Or, just install a lot of keyboard layouts.) Ксип Cyp 18:21, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Charmap is fine for one or two characters otherwise a bit tedious to use. For several European languages you'll find a 'World Keyboard' at Bable Fish. Erik Zachte 23:14, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Biographical articles

Is the a "List of articles about persons that has been edited by the person himself" :-)? If not, can anyone give me a few examples of pages that has been edited by the persons described in the page? I know there are some. BL 05:43, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Mmm, let's see. Daniel C. Boyer, of course, K. Kay Shearin (which has later been blanked because User:Isis wanted it to be removed), Daniel Alston (which has been moved to the user space), Larry Sanger (moved to the user space).. not many, really, and most of them didn't stay in the article space for long.—Eloquence 06:39, Aug 9, 2003 (UTC)
Since you're asking directly I suppose we'd better add Jim Duffy. Although he likes to hide it he's probably the most famous Wikipedian, for reasons other than Wikipedia itself. -- Tim Starling 12:36, Aug 9, 2003 (UTC)

Shameless plug for neglected pages

Everyone please head on over to the Wikipedia:Reference desk. There are some questions on there that you just might have the answer to.

And then head on over to Wikipedia:Pages needing attention. Some of these require an expert, but some of them are refactoring jobs that require no knowledge of the subject. -Smack 06:41, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

post-1968 radical movement

I'm considering to (sooner or later) research and write on my mother's great revelation (well, ...not specifically her, but her generation's). My question to you is which titles and terms might be appropriate in English (which also would help me to check out what there already exists in English language in the wikipedia and on the world wide web. I did a search for "student-riot AND 1968" - but that didn't give many wikipedia hits.
--Ruhrjung 08:31, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia stats

I recently saw an external website with a table of Wikipedia new users, their edits, etc. It was not about English Wikipedia alone, but the whole project.

I don't remember where the site was, who created it, or where I saw the link to the site. I already checked Wikipedia:Stats and Wikipedia:Multilingual statistics, but no luck. Any help? Tomos 21:36, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)

This is the work of Erik Zachte, who also makes the TomeRaider-readable archives. See his page at: http://members.chello.nl/epzachte/Wikipedia/Statistics/ --Brion 22:17, 9 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Thanks, Brion. That's exactly what I was looking for! Tomos 00:50, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Page title controversy

Please take a look at Talk:Roman Catholic Church sex abuse allegations and comment on the page title.—Eloquence 22:53, Aug 9, 2003 (UTC)

Donations

Is it possible to donate money to Wikipedia, for things like new/improved servers and the like? -- Schnee 01:01, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Not yet. We'll wait until all the wikis together have reached 300000 articles and then we'll hold a big fundraiser and announce Wikimedia.—Eloquence 01:14, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
This way, when the server falls over under the publicity-generated load, we'll look like we really need the money. :P --Brion 02:14, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

US vs. American

Please see User talk:Wik. What is the consensus of Wikipedia concerning the naming of the nationality of people of the United States? Is Wik correct in changing "American" to "U.S."? It's offensive, to me. My nationality is American, not U.S.. RickK 02:09, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Both are correct. There is no reason to change one to the other besides stylistic concerns. --Brion 02:14, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
There you have it, Rick. I don't think you'll find anyone who agrees with you that U.S. is in any way incorrect. And clearly U.S. is more precise and unambiguous; it means the United States of America and not the entire continent. --Wik 02:26, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
Both are not correct. I am an American, not a "U.S.". RickK 02:22, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Now you're just trolling. I already responded to that on the Talk page. --Wik 02:26, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)

See American. Its very first sentence says "American can mean "of the United States of America" (the more common usage in the English language)". IF both are correct, as Brion says above, then why do you feel the need to change John Birch Society? You must obviously feel that both are not correct. RickK 02:38, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

No. I agree both are correct, but U.S. is more precise. American can mean "of the United States of America." U.S. always means it. --Wik 02:42, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)

Of course you are not a "U.S." While "U.S." can be used synonmously w/ American in the form of an adjetive, only American can be used as a noun to refer to the person(s). "U.S." in noun form just means the country. Both are correct if it is in the proper part of speech. Which one to use is up to the user who inserts the initial text and no one should be removing/changing. --Jiang 03:21, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I was originally American, at [change], until Wik went in and changed it. RickK 03:27, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I'm an American, but I believe the term can be used by anyone from the New World. I know most "US"ers would disagree, but I've always felt that it was presumptuous of us to call ourseleves Americans as if people from Canada and Mexico, etc. were not. And I've had peolple in Mexico tell me they consider themselves to be "Americans" -- 24.94.82.245 03:36, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Likewise, it would be unfair for the people of Mexico. Why should only people of the US receive the distinction of being "USers" while the people of Mexico shouldn't? There's no logic behind reserving "US" to the USA and not to the USM. We call the United States of Mexico Mexico. Similarly, we call the United States of America America. See a parallel? Both make the same sense. --Jiang 03:47, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

When speaking in English, only pedants insist that "American" is not specific enough, when the reality is that everyone knows what you mean by "American" since there is only one country in the two American continents that includes "America" in the name (and in English too). In other meanings, you just say "North American", "Central American", "South American", or "Latin American". Seriously, when speaking in English, what Canadian or Mexican would say "I am American" rather than "I am Canadian" or "I am Mexican"? Daniel Quinlan 04:21, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)

You're exactly wrong there. The common short form of the United States of Mexico is Mexico, but the common short form of the United States of America is United States, not America. If it's clear from the context that you mean a nationality of a person then American is fine, since there's no continental nationality. But the issue was about an organization (the John Birch Society), which to someone who doesn't know anything about it yet might as well be a pan-American organization. So to be precise it should be called a "U.S. organization." --Wik 13:40, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
No, the United States of America has two short forms--US or America. Since when has it been limited to one? Both of these short forms have their flaws. --Jiang
The common short form (certainly in an encyclopaedic context) is United States. You won't find an encyclopaedia which has the article about the United States of America under "America," which is just a colloquialism. --Wik 18:04, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
That's when referring to the government. But the people are almost always "Americans". --Jiang
Some Canadians do say they are American, meaning "North American," but only if they are extremely sympathetic to the United States, much moreso than Canadians are normally. If that makes any sense. Adam Bishop 04:26, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
This category of change is definitely political correctness run amok. How about waiting until we have a significant number of Canadians and Mexicans complaining about the American==USian assumption before hacking up hundreds of articles. The Wikipedia way would be to have the disgruntled Mexicans start making the changes, not to have some patronizing gringo do it. Stan 05:47, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Not to be overly pedantic, but may I make A Modest Proposal? The controversy arises from the English conflation of "American"=resident of U.S. and "American"=two continents of Western Hemisphere. If we used the Spanish "estadounidense" (or French, Italian, etc.) equivalents of the former meaning, there would be no confusion! More seriously, "American" is the only usable word for "citizen of the U.S." (as in, "my nationality is American"), but "U.S." should probably be used whenever possible ("the U.S. government undertook this action" as opposed to "the American government") for precision's sake. Paul Musgrave
Is "U.S.-American" common? That could be a way to move around the dispute, being precise, political correct and including the American part (U.S.-)Americans seems to be proud of. -- till we *) 10:57, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
"U.S.-American" doesn't work, really, because there's already a hyphenated convention with "Irish-Americans," "Mexican-Americans," "African-Americans." "U.S.-American" sounds like you're claiming a dual "American"/"estadounidense" heritage, and I don't think anyone's ever done that. But you're right, we need to meet the criteria you lay out--if we add another one: instant recognizability, so that people who haven't been following this dispute know what we mean. --Paul Musgrave 16:31, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
How silly. Pages of debate on this and no link to USian.
Given Monroe Doctrine, interference in Latin America throughout the entire 20th century, etc., it's fair to say that an "American" is someone who believes they have a right to control everything in the Americas. Let them stand and fall by that definition, rather than inventing new terms now, when it's too late to save the silly thing.

Cryptic NPOV Disputes

Recently I've come across a couple of pages which link to Wikipedia:NPOV dispute, but which don't have any discussion of what the disputed points are; the most recent one is Six-Day War. An anonymous user simple added the NPOV dispute statement without editing the article in any other way or leaving any note on the talk page. How are we supposed to NPOV a page if the party who disagrees doesn't give any indication as to what the problem is? I think that there should be a note on Wikipedia:NPOV dispute which tells people who add a link to that page that they need to also add a note concerning the article's NPOV problems on the talk page if it's not already obvious from the talk page (I guess I can add that). Second, what can be done about the article itself? If no one explains the article's NPOV problems (I added a note on the talk page), can we just delete the note about the NPOV dispute? -- AdamRaizen 02:16, 2003 Aug 10 (UTC)

IMHO that's really not what NPOV dispute labels are for. They indicate that a discussion is ongoing, and hence that the article contents is disputed and volatile. I don't think you should even bother challenging it and waiting for a response -- if the person who added the warning didn't explain why, after a reasonable amount of time, just remove it. You should probably check the talk page history to make sure it hasn't been maliciously blanked. -- Tim Starling
You might also want to skim-read the page to see if there's anything obviously biased that should be fixed. Martin 10:11, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Ogg uploads.. any guidelines for size, length, quality?

move to wikipedia:sound help

I'd like to upload some of my music, so that it can be used as examples of styles like ambient and techno. I licensed it under the Free Art license, so that will be no problem. (And if it would be a problem, I don't mind to pick another license.) But I guess it's not a good idea to upload very large files. Are there any guidelines for this? Like, using specific quality settings, or make sure the file size is not bigger than a certain size. I could also take an excerpt of the piece and link to the complete piece. Guaka 02:36, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

The upload system currently rejects any file larger than 2 megabytes. Anything approaching or exceeding that size should at present be hosted offsite. --Brion 04:12, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
So I presume that it is okay to upload <2 MB files? The thingy I just uploaded is 1.6 MB. Is that okay, or is it a case of 'approaching that size'?

Guaka 21:30, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

You should also license them under the GNU FDL if submitting to Wikipedia or put the samples into the public domain (the entire song is not necessary unless you want to upload the entire piece). (You can license under both licenses such that the licensee must choose one license disjunctively if you wish.) Daniel Quinlan 04:27, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
Ok. Well, I prefer the entire piece. So I added the GFDL. But I wonder what this exactly means for musical pieces. Wouldn't it be better to simply allow other copylefted or free licenses?

Guaka 21:30, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

A contributor added the text of a Ted Rall column to the article on Bush regime. It doesn't appear that the contributor obtained permission to copy the Rall column (which is syndicated) here. Should I go ahead and delete the copied portion myself, or should I contact the contributor first? I don't want to step on anyone's toes. Thanks, Clipdude 02:59, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Go ahead and clip it.  ;) Remember, be bold. (Meanwhile I'll look around and see if I can find an external link to add.) - Hephaestos 03:06, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer. I won't be so worried about fixing things in the future.--Clipdude 04:24, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Miscount in Vfd

The speculative physics articles up for deletion, seem to suffer from not having votes opposing deletion counted, but rather being "shunted" into an undefined category of "non-voting" opinion. Not apetizing viewing, especially as the subject has superficially been deemed substantial enough to warrant an extended exchange of views before "unsummary" deletion. On these grounds I would extend (not indefinitely) the stay of these articles. Just my opinion. -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 03:13, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)

Renaming a Page

When I want to rename a page, I just create the new page and move stuff over to it. But clearly that loses the history of the material.. None-the-less, I can find no where in the help pages how to actually change the name of a page and preserve the page history. I would like Peat bog changed to Bog the former is "redundant", but the latter presently exists as a redirect. How do I accomplish this? -- Marshman 03:40, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

"Move this Page" function on the left hand side of your screen. --Jiang
Thanks. That looks like it. But Bog as a short bit of page history, so it seem it will not work until it is -- what, Vfd deleted? - Marshman 03:45, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
Done. You can proceed now. Yes, next time, vfd is an option, or you can drop a line to a sysop who happens to be active in recent changes. --Jiang 03:50, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Common Format for University/College Articles

I'm trying to organize a good article on my home university, Indiana University at Bloomington. I'm wondering if there is a preferred/recommended/suggested style for all university/college articles? If not, would anyone like to work with me to create one? --Paul Musgrave

Not that I'm aware of...we could start a Wikipedia:Wikiproject universities. See List of colleges and universities --Jiang 04:59, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I think Drexel University is a shining exmaple :). ミハエル (MB) 01:43, Aug 11, 2003 (UTC)


Maybe, but the WikiProject mentioned above is under way and has worked out a nice template, almost perfect. See at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities. -- till we *) 18:03, Aug 11, 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia namespace contents

I never can find what I need in Wikipedia: namespace! :`( I guess that others have this problem too and I suggest that Wikipedia:List of namespace (or perhaps Wikipedia:Contents) is made that would contain a list of all articles in the namespace. (Possibly with exception of obvious subarticles such as Wikiprojects.) This list then must be linked from main page or it would be useless.

Here is what I have so far:

(User:Nikola Smolenski)

- You can sign automatically, by typing ~~~~ or ~~~, by the way. Ксип Cyp 07:55, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I didn't knew it works on non-talk pages too :) Nikola 18:29, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
I've started to accidentally sign my name in the articles this past week, once even in the populous Current events. How embarrassing is that. >_< --Menchi 19:18, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
That's a good start Nikola, but you missed about 400. See Wikipedia:List of articles in the Wikipedia namespace. You might also find Wikipedia:Utilities useful, unlike me: I can never find anything in that page. I usually just type out the page title. -- Tim Starling 10:12, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
OK, no need to make anything new :) But they should be linked from main page, what's the need for a list of pages if it's less accessible then pages it lists? Nikola 18:29, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)
One of the most important aesthetic concern is cluttering the Main Page up with non-essential links, so Wikipedia:List of articles in the Wikipedia namespace is probably considered to be not that widely used or interested in by most people (including me, but excluding you, apparently :-). --Menchi 19:24, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)

By the way, is there a similar list of Special: pages, or Special:Specialpages is complete? Nikola 18:29, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Special:Specialpages is curious in that its content changes depending on your access priveleges. It doesn't contain special pages which require a target, like Special:Movepage. And it doesn't contain special pages which don't actually work, like Special:Vote. Other than that I think it's probably complete. -- Tim Starling 13:14, Aug 11, 2003 (UTC)

Unprotect Ariel Sharon

Could an administrator please unprotect Ariel Sharon, since User:Palestine liberator is now banned? Also, is there some page where one can make a request of an administrator? (I know I could leave a note on a user talk page, but I'd like to be sure that someone who's around sees it right away.) -- AdamRaizen 09:34, 2003 Aug 10 (UTC)

I think here's good. There's constantly admin staring here. I am anyway when I'm online, but I don't know you or that conflict enough (actually, nothing) to say that if I unprotect it, evil won't unleash itself and pee on Wikipedia. --Menchi 09:39, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)

S/he who unprotected please note so at Wikipedia:Protected page. --Menchi 17:57, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)

Linking to original image from description page

I'm really happy to see an image of mine used here:

Image:Beer_in_glass_(small).jpg

I'm concerned however that without a link to the original image other people don't have an oppertunity to see the source data and therefore can't re-crop it or do other things with it. Should there be a policy of linking to the source image?

Thanks to google images I have tracked down the original version of this image: beer image and I guess I should add a link to it from the beer image page, but I'll leave it as it is for the moment so others can decide what they think about this...

--ChrisCroome 11:04, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Yes, original source should be linked whenever possible.—Eloquence 17:00, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
No problem, I'll keep that in mind in the future. Note that Image:Small open fire (small).jpg is also yours. -- Tim Starling 11:54, Aug 11, 2003 (UTC)
On a related note: I see Martin removed the larger image version from the description page. I'd just like to say that I think it's a great idea having larger images pop up when you click on thumbnails, it mirrors what happens elsewhere on the web and therefore what the user expects. I stole that idea from someone else, not sure who. Might have been Taku... -- Tim Starling 12:08, Aug 11, 2003 (UTC)
If there's a "larger version" media link on the article itself, isn't that better?
I'll self-revert: it's no fuss either way. Martin
I found it got in the way
I'm not particularly fussed, it's just style. I'd like to hear another opinion on the matter, though. -- Tim Starling 13:14, Aug 11, 2003 (UTC)

Wikipedia Mascot

I have added a mascot for Wikipedia- an Octopus. Later I read that some other Wikipedian has to second it. Will anyone interested have a look and do it if you find it OK? KRS

Does it fret? --Wik 18:19, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
It doesn't look like it's fretting, it looks like it's just spotted a kitten to strangle. -- Tim Starling 13:23, Aug 11, 2003 (UTC)
So mean :-(I thought it was a great idea. Guess others don't think so:-))) But leave the graphics guys, what about the concept with a better graphic?--KRS

The number of articles is going up fast, but the number of images is not. There are many images about cities, persons, maps; but too few for mathematical objects and "simple things" like screws, windows, chairs,... I would count that as the weakest link for Wikipedia.

I put the comment here as a reminder to Wikipedians. Upload more useful pictures! (I will later, after I get a digicam :P) wshun 01:25, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Oh, it is possible to list the recent updated images seperately from "Recent changes", it usually takes up the whole page. Also, could we upload images in a more efficient way? Uploading one by one is awful. wshun 01:31, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I'd agree; it seems that the images of mundane stuff are often overlooked. This is partly the reason I started an attempt at Wikipedia:WikiProject Illustration, to kind of bring together the various attempts at illustrating Wikipedia. Please feel free to offer your suggestions there! -- Wapcaplet 01:52, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I'm always trying to take pictures for Wikipedia. I've done Winchester Cathedral, just because I was walking past one day on my way to college. I do try to do some mundane stuff too, like mirror, but screws and things aren't very interesting to photograph. CGS 08:55, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC).

I've done scissors and a few other "boring" ones. :) -- Tarquin 13:18, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

"Divided by a common language"

Wikipedia isn't the only community project that wrestles with American vs. British spelling ... as this debate about Linux shows ("flavour" vs. "flavor") http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/726 -- DavidWBrooks 13:03, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

History of the Pump

Has anyone noticed that the entire history of the village pump now resides at Wikipedia talk:Village pump? Are there any plans to move it back? -- Tim Starling 13:51, Aug 11, 2003 (UTC)

Two Russian WPs

Why are there two Russian WPs? (Rossijskaja Vikipedija (wikipedia.ru) & ru.wikipedia.org) --Menchi 17:07, Aug 11, 2003 (UTC)

New user Tonius uploaded a slew of company logos and added them to articles. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these copyrighted and therefore can't be included on the 'pedia (without special permission)? Or is use of these covered under fair use? My wife used to write letters to people threatening to sue them for unauthorized use of the "Intel Inside" logo, so I'm fairly certain we're not allowed to use these. Anyone? —Frecklefoot 19:54, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)

IANAL. Seems like that'd be more an issue of trademark infringement; in the case of "Intel inside", it could be misleading to apply the logo to something which does not, in fact, have intel inside. As long as it doesn't misrepresent anything, or imply that the company endorses or sponsors the thing, it seems like it'd be fair use. -- Wapcaplet 21:03, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)
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