Any corrections or additions highly welcome.
Surely "contemporary music" is just any music being written at this moment in time - I don't think the phrase is used in a special, technical way to describe a particular style or whatever. Or am I wrong? --Camembert
- Good question. But I guess we need some label for modern non-pop music. I am trying to think of some good examples, but I find the stuff so dreadful that for me it is a hopeless task. -- Viajero 06:53, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Perhaps just a description that "contemporary music" encompasses music that is generally outside the mainstream pop music or something like that will suffice? Dysprosia 06:58, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Well, OK, people tend not to call the latest Britney Spears offering "contemporary music", I'll grant you that, but can we really say anything on the subject beyond "it's modern concert music", or whatever? I mean, this stuff about it being "associated with individualism, globalization and modernity" is just nonsense, isn't it? Use of the term "comtemporary music" isn't, I think, limited to any particular style within what you might broadly call "classical". Arvo Pärt, Harrison Birtwistle and Philip Glass all write "comtemporary music", but they're very different. We already have modern classical music - maybe this should just be redirected there? --Camembert
- I just took a look at modern classical music, a term I don't much like either (it seems like an oxymoron). (And ugh, another long, undifferentiated list... Who compiles these things?... and why?...) For better or worse, the term Contemporary music is an established expression, used in concert schedules, program books, and like, so I think it is worth sticking with. I merged the text from modern classical music with this one and spun off the list to List of contemporary music composers. Everyone satisfied? -- Viajero 12:22, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Not really. Whatever else "contemporary music" might be, surely at the very least it has to be contemporary! We've got Ravel - who died in the 1930s - on list of contemporary music composers, and we've got Schoenberg - who died in 1951 - on this one. I don't see how these composers are "contemporary". I really much prefer modern classical music or 20th century classical music, but if you don't like the idea of calling these guys "classical"... well, I don't know what we're to do. --Camembert
- Well, I think a short discussion of a few notable "contemporary" composers here will be useful, to get an idea of what is meant by "contemporary music"...
- What about "contemporary classical music", by the way? Dysprosia 12:57, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- "Contemporary classical music" would still have to be "contemporary" - so I mean, no Ravel, no Schoenberg, not even Cage, really (he's been dead ten years, after all). I mean, all music was "contemporary" at some time or another, but if we're going to use the term in a meangingful way now, we have to use it to mean music by living composers, music contemporary with us - Birtwistle counts, Boulez just about counts, younger composers like Thomas Adès definitely count. Schoenberg doesn't count. 20th century, yes. Modern, I guess so. Contemporary, no. (Apologies if I'm preaching to the converted here, I just want it to be absolutely clear where I'm coming from.)
- Here's what I'm going to do: move this to 20th century classical music (which is, after all, what the article's about) and expand it a bit; replace what's here now with a stubby thing on truly contemporary music; move list of contemporary music composers to list of 20th century classical composers. We'll see how it turns out. --Camembert
- Sounds good to me :) Dysprosia 13:46, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- Seems ok. I still think that list ungainly; what term can ever cover in a satisfactory way composers as diverse as Richard Strauss, Ralph Vaughan Williams, and Pierre Boulez? For me, modern classical music begins approx. with Schonberg; anything before him belongs in the 19th C figuratively speaking. Right, on another list ;-) -- Viajero 13:58, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Camembert, I just noticed there is a List_of_classical_music_composers broken down by era. There is a section called " Modern Classical era". Maybe list of 20th century classical composers can be merged there. -- Viajero 15:51, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
huh?
I moved the following line here:
- It has been considered categorized commonly for its notable conceptual content in opposition to the rest of genres derived from all experimental music.
If some more intellectually gifted can explain to me what this means and/or translate it into plain English, I would be most happy to see it re-included in the text. ;-) -- Viajero