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Re: Need a simple bot

I saw your request for a simple bot. Have you ever used pywikipedia framework? --AllyUnion (talk) 04:07, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

It's very easy to set up if you can install Python. Do you use Windows or Linux? --AllyUnion (talk) 04:13, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Update it directly from CVS. --AllyUnion (talk) 04:24, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm in #wikipedia on IRC if you like to message me. CVS. --AllyUnion (talk) 04:32, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

In Linux, you will want to run the CVS command that is on the pywikipedia bot framework page:

cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pywikipediabot login
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/pywikipediabot co pywikipedia

See: [1] --AllyUnion (talk) 04:45, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

You'll want this one: 08/25/2005 --AllyUnion (talk) 05:13, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Unzip the files, install python, copy the config.py to user-config.py, edit user-config.py to modify the settings to:

# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
############## ACCOUNT SETTINGS ##############

# The family of sites we are working on. wikipedia.py will import
# families/xxx_family.py so if you want to change this variable,
# you need to write such a file.
family = 'wikipedia'
# The language code of the site we're working on.
mylang = 'en'

# The dictionary usernames should contain a username for each site where you
# have a bot account. Please set your usernames by adding such lines to your
# user-config.py:
#
# usernames['wikipedia']['de'] = 'myGermanUsername'
# usernames['wiktionary']['en'] = 'myEnglishUsername'
#
#usernames = {}

usernames['wikipedia']['en'] = 'USERNAME_HERE'
############## USER INTERFACE SETTINGS ##############

# the encoding that's used in the user's console, i.e. how strings are encoded
# when they are read by raw_input(). On Windows systems' DOS box, this should
# be 'cp850' ('cp437' for older versions). Linux users might try 'iso-8859-1'
# or 'utf-8'. If this variable is set to None, the default is 'cp850' on
# windows, and iso-8859-1 on other systems
console_encoding = None

# tkinter isn't yet ready
userinterface = 'terminal'

# Should the system bell be ringed if the bot expects user input?
ring_bell = False

--AllyUnion (talk) 05:21, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

Also, I made small modifications to wikipedia.py in order to get mine working: In the file wikipedia.py:

def output(text, decoder = None, colors = [], newline = True):
    """
    Works like print, but uses the encoding used by the user's console
    (console_encoding in the configuration file) instead of ASCII.
    If decoder is None, text should be a unicode string. Otherwise it
    should be encoded in the given encoding.

    colors is a list of integers, one for each character of text. If a
    list entry is None, the default color will be used for the
    character at that position.

    If newline is True, a linebreak will be added after printing the text.
    """
    if decoder:
        text = unicode(text, decoder)
    elif type(text) != type(u''):
        print "DBG> BUG: Non-unicode passed to wikipedia.output without decoder!"
        print traceback.print_stack()
        print "DBG> Attempting to recover, but please report this problem"
        try:
            text = unicode(text, 'utf-8')
        except UnicodeDecodeError:
            text = unicode(text, 'iso8859-1')
    if logfile:
        # save the text in a logfile (will be written in utf-8)
        logfile.write(text + '\n')
        logfile.flush()
#    ui.output(text, colors = colors, newline = newline)
    print text

#def input(question):
#    return ui.input(question)

#def inputChoice(question, answers, hotkeys, default = None):
#    return ui.inputChoice(question, answers, hotkeys, default)

Your script would be something like this:

f = file('something.csv')
text = f.readlines()
for line in text:
    items = line.replace('\n','').split(',')
    name = items[0]
    state = items[1]
    population = items[2]
    area = items[3]
    newtext = name + " is a district in " + state + " with a population of " + population + " and an area of " + area
    wikipedia.Page(wikipedia.getSite(), 'User:Nichlap/Sandbox').put(newtext)

Or something like that. Read the file. Good luck. --AllyUnion (talk) 05:38, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

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Replace 'USERNAME_HERE' with 'Nichalp' but if you plan to use a bot, you should sign up an account separate from your username. --AllyUnion (talk) 16:09, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Also your custom script is a separate file. You will call the modules by importing. See the Python documentation here for more info. --AllyUnion (talk) 06:27, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

No, you put that into a new file, the f = file('something.csv') (etc) and make a python program. --AllyUnion (talk) 18:54, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

More help

Some python basics:

import module_name - This imports a module or file into your program, same as #include in C++

Calling functions from this module would be module.function_name

You can read more at www.python.org where they have a tutorial. The main modules you will be calling are: wikipedia and config

You'll be calling your programs by the following:
python <filename>.py

You will not have to do this if you are calling the python interpreter by a shbang.

The extensions for python are typically .py
.pyc files are compiled versions of the .py that the program is using.

In order for your bot to log in, you have to call (only once every so month... maybe):
python login.py

In a clean, separate file, you need at the top:

# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-

import wikipedia, config

In order to create a Page object in which you will use to get and put pages, you have to something like this:

mypage = wikipedia.Page(wikipedia.getSite(), 'User talk:Cool Cat')

That creates a page object linked to your talk page in the above example.

To get the wiki text from the page, you'd call (following from the previous example):

mypage.get()

You can save that data into a variable if you wish. To put a page you do something like this:

mypage.put('New text to replace old text', 'Fill out the comment field in this field.')

Where "New text" is where you want to replace the existing text, and the second portion is the comment note in the history. Default is something like: "Wikipedia python library"

If you want to add to the text, do something like this:

mypage.put(mypage.get() + 'Added text here', 'Bot adding text')

That is all you should need to program your script in Python and get your bot working. I don't believe you need any other function. The code I gave you above is an outline for your program for you to use. If you have any further questions, please don't hestitate to leave me a message. --AllyUnion (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Bhutan

I do think the introduction should be at least re-ordered. A reader should not have to sit through a longish discussion (interesting or not) on etymology before finding out basic info about the country. Tlogmer 11:27, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

No probs. My kannada was slightly rusty, so creating tiny stubs are a good practice. BTW, check out the Delhi/Bhutan/Iran pics at http://www.cartoonsoft.com/gallery/ and http://www.geocities.com/karunakarg/ Theres no licence specified, but you can mail karunakar (the photographer) and request him to put it under a free licence. pamri 16:22, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, born & bred(almost) in Bangalore. Both the galleries belong to karunakar. You can also find him on #indlinux at irc.freenode.net. Sorry, if my raw sig bothers you. I will try to fix it. pamri 16:50, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, lets work on Bangalore, but you have to tell me where to begin first. I will try to find some more pics during the next week. Pamri • Talk 17:10, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Hello, I disagree on the matter of links cleanup and reintroduced the one by The Guardian, wich is very interesting, even though I cannot confirm its credibility. Reply to David Latapie 20:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank for the clarification on external links and references. Kudos to you! Reply to David Latapie 11:56, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Yep, I saw that and that's why I congratulated you on your choiceReply to David Latapie 08:05, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Bangalore

Yes, we can start with its history. I have got one book on Bangalore's history lying around somewhere. cscsarchive.org had an article on Bangalore's history, which I am not able to find now. It has some good pics, which I will try to get licensed under GFDL. Pamri • Talk 17:35, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Finally found the article: http://www.cscsarchive.org:8081/Bangalore/Home.nsf Pamri • Talk 17:42, September 10, 2005 (UTC)

Nepal map

Funny that you ask: because the Bhutan map made me think about creating a Nepal map too, and yesterday I have already uploaded Image:Nepal_topo_en.jpg (it's linked in the geography article, not the main article). Bangladesh and Sri Lanka are quite small, so resolution becomes a problem, I will see... --Captain Blood 18:56, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Updated analysis of length of Schiavo + note on Fair Use.

I posted this in FA-review talk, but here's a copy on your talk:

• New info (ATTN: Nichalp) re Article Length: I just saved the Terri Schiavo page in *.txt format on my computer: My computer says that it is "69.7 KB (71,438 bytes)." which is accurate. Wikipedia claims says of "Talk" page that: "This page is 119 kilobytes long," so are my computer's numbers are accurate?? My computer says the "Talk" page "117 KB (120,015 bytes)," so my computer is telling the truth about the article page too, I believe. (PS" I saved the talk and article pages in HTML format, but I shall not discuss those figures, as they are not accurate.) So, in conclusion, since I can't pull up the edit dialogue and get "wikipedia's" assessment, we will have to guess that my computer is accurate: Terri Schiavo is larger than 55Kb or 65Kb, yes, but it is not 80Kb; it is more like 70Kb, references and all, FYI. Look at it yourself and see if I've read right, please. Thx.--GordonWattsDotCom 19:20, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

PS: Today's FA used a Fair Use image, so concerns about Terri were premature, but Carnildo has some good points; The news is hopping, jumping, and interesting. Come and see: Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Terri_Schiavo --also the Terri "Talk" page needs input so we can come to resolution; We need help there too, lol. --GordonWattsDotCom 19:33, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Hide and seek

Thank you for your confidence in me. Nomination by you is a privilege. And, sometimes I try to hide, and sometimes I also try to run, but I will never run away. --Bhadani 07:34, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

High Courts

" I will help you in every way possible. Please tell me what you want from me , I will be more than happy to assist you. As regrads the scroll bar, I did not know how to make a post on a talk page, so that happened. worse , I did not know who to ask . That is why I did that unintentionally. I hope this post comes out okay". sumal 08:51, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Dear Nichalp, Thanks for your kind effort, adding my pic in Wikipedia:Facebook. --Cyril Thomas 09:41, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Copyrighted text

I think we would agree that it can be a fair-use :-) Thanks for your note ;-) Anthere 10:00, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

History of Alaska

I broke several of the sections off into separate articles and summarized them, and now it's down to 38KB, about the size of previous articles. Fine now? Toothpaste 11:13, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanx 4 the Star

It was a pleasant surprise to find a barnstar being awarded for the idleguy. Thank you. Idleguy 11:38, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

re Taxwoman

Haha, no relation whatsoever, but that is pretty funny. And I archived my talk page so it should be easier to follow. - Taxman ^Talk 12:25, September 11, 2005 (UTC)

Belarus

Does it still have any grammar problems? Zach (Sound Off) 02:13, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Article length

I addressed all of your comments you left in the article. Thanks. Though the article is an FA now, if you think it's now supportable, could you support anyway? Toothpaste 00:53, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

The year of the discovery of oil is already mentioned under the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act section.

"The government responded slowly, until, in 1968, the Atlantic-Richfield Company discovered oil at Prudhoe Bay on the Arctic coast, and catapulted the issue of land ownership into headlines."

My timezone is Central Standard Time, but I stay up from 5PM until 5AM or so, which would mean I wake up at 10:00 UTC and go to bed at 22:00UTC. Toothpaste 08:56, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

The extraordinary king of Bhutan

Nicholas—Please let me know whether the mini-paragraph I just added at the the end of the section on 'Economy' is OK. Tony 09:11, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Sysop

Thx a lot, and: What an honor (blushing...); btw, congrats on gaining bureaucratship, and I'll try to be good :) Lectonar 10:40, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Kammerlader

Hi. I applogies for 'spamming' your talkpage like this, but some time ago you was helpfull with comments on one of 'my' other articles on old Norwegian rifles and I wondered if you might be interested in helping out peer reviewing the article on the Kammerlader. Thank you for your time. WegianWarrior 11:27, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

dustbin

Kewl! Tony 11:42, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucratship??

You didn't tell me how you liked your bureaucratship gift--May the Force be with you! Shreshth91($ |-| r 3 $ |-| t |-|) 15:24, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Rewrite of featured article criteria

Hi Nicholas I've rewritten the criteria at What is a featured article, I hope without changing the intended meaning. (Well, they do say 'be bold' ...) I'd appreciate your taking a look. Tony 00:43, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Test cricket hat-tricks

Hi - I'm afraid that an edit conflict with me finishing the table has blitzed your width fixing. I am rather loath to put your edits back as (i) it breaks the format, and (ii) shortening words even further (Agst In. Tst. Fnl) makes it more difficult to understand. Is your resolution/scrolling problem a "nice to have" or a "must have"? Some other Featured lists don't fix nicely in 600 pixels - for example, Periodic table (large version). -- ALoan (Talk) 18:09, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the example - I was going to ask for a screenshot. I dnd't have time to look at it again yesterday, but I'll see what I can do today. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:31, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

OK - I have "subst:"ed the {{prettytable}} and added font-size inside the style (that was why your addition broke it). Is that any better? -- ALoan (Talk) 09:43, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

India wikipidian

India wikipidian--i want to add this in my user page as suggested. I tried ur suggestion but it did not work. Sure I am wrong. How to do it is not clear to me. Does this change remove my existing name Dore chakravarty?

--Dore chakravarty 06:10, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

India wikipidian-- Thanks very nuch. I could add it now. Is + sign used now:is correct?? I do not use this with others. How?

--Dore chakravarty 08:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

face pics

Nicholas, I might add mine to that page, or I might not (bit shy). Don't see yours there! ... Tony 08:52, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Na, haven't uploaded a pic of myself. User:Nichalp/sg 09:01, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Talk:List of Indian districts

Talk:List of Indian districts -> Naming. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 11:36, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Hindi questions

Hi Nichalp, I'm a true wikiaddict and I am of course struggling to break the addiction :). Actually I have a hindi question for you. In practicing, I have pretty much the whole basic syllabary down, but I can't quite understand all the modifiers. I pulled up the Hindi BBC for practice and I can sound out (slowly) most words even if I don't know what they mean. But a few characters with modifiers have me stumped. Here's the headline and intro blurb:

'आतंकवाद के सामने नहीं झुकेंगे'

भारत के प्रधानमंत्री डॉक्टर मनमोहन सिंह ने संयुक्त राष्ट्र महासभा में कहा है कि भारत जम्मू- कश्मीर या कहीं और आतंकवाद के मुद्दे पर कभी नहीं झुकेगा.

Ok, I figured these out once I got home to where I have my keyboard set up to type Hindi. But not the part after these conjuncts or how they are pronounced. The ones that have me baffled are राष्ट्र and मुद्दे. By copying here and backspacing from the end of the word, I can delete the modifiers one by one, but I can't tell what they all are. Peeling back the modifiers looks like this:

1. राष्ट्र राष्ट् राष्ट राष् राष so I know the base is ष or ssa, so the base word is something like raasha, then the end vowel is removed with a halant, then some other modifier I don't know is there, then the end vowel is supressed again, then the last modifier looks like the ^ conjunct form of ra, but I'm not sure, and I thought that form of ra is only used after retroflex consonants.

   This one is ष + ् + ट + ् + र = ष्ट्र so I guess it is pronouced something like raashthr?

2. The second one is similar. I see द or da is modified first by surpressing the vowel then one modification I don't think I've ever seen.

   Ok this one is the dda special conjunct formed from द + ् + द + a े for the vowel = द्दे. The word must be pronounced something like muudde with the e like a long a sound in english.

Overall the Hindi syllabary is nice since now that I know the character sounds I can nearly pronounce any word I see. The only other problem is that it is not always made clear when the inherent vowel is supressed. If you know the word I guess you would know, but I don't so it is hard. For example this site has been great, but in it's transliteration and pronunciation of animal, it lists it as jaanvar, whereas I would read that script as jaanavar since the half consonant form of न isn't used. That happens a few other places on that page. Is it just convention or a mistake on the page? Any enlightenment would be great. Thanks - Taxman ^Talk 20:05, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

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Tamil map

I'd love it if you could prepare one. I think you can take the percentages for the major countries from the article and others from the Ethnologue report that is linked from the article. India has now been nominated for featured status in Tamil Wikipedia. Also, we're working on the Tamil article of Tamil people to bring it up before September 24 as we expect a number of potential contributors clicking on the interwiki link that day. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 08:34, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

I'll do that by evening. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 09:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

The only info I could find is the set of numbers given in the article itself. I'm now leaving for Chennai and will be back only on Monday. Will bring the email id of a person called Dr.Sammohan Lal who works for the Central Institute for Indian languages, Mysore. He presented a paper in Tamil Internet 2003. He *might* have some numbers. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 12:22, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Tamil wiki in the news

Tamil Wiki got mentioned in the leading Tamil newspaper. The online version is at here (in Tamil). A screenshot is at Image:Dinamalar.JPG. Can this be mentioned somewhere in meta or "wiki in news" page? -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 12:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

Good to know that you've put it up in Village pump news. As for the screenshot, it was uploaded by a friend. I'll tell him about that. In any case, I can't remove it from commons as I'm not an admin there. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:58, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake. I didn't read your message on VP news properly. I've mailed my friend about the commons image. You can delete it from there. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 08:34, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Nepal

hi, right now I donot have the links (Culture of Nepal), but will send you the same by saturday or latest by sunday. --Bhadani 13:34, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

iMac peer review

Nicholas, thanks for cutting and pasting that feedback. I'll get onto improving the article soon, although I'm a little daunted by not being a tech-head. I'll ask the guys at my local Apple store who sold me my iMac whether they'll help. One of them wants to do a PhD, so he might be willing. Tony 07:13, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Nepal—recent edits

Nicholas: I've just had a look at the opening of the article on Nepal. Hope I haven't ruined it. Any idea when the increasingly dysfunctional Wikipedia website will improve? Tony 10:08, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Good to know that it's not just MY computer. I've further polished the opening, and will work slowly through the rest. Tony 10:22, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Images

Hi Nicholas, thank you for your note about the map and the Death March image. I really appreciate you making the map of Sighet so that we don't need the permission for the other one any more. As for Image:Wieseldeathmarch.gif, I think it's probably public domain (it's from the United States Holocaust Museum), but because I wasn't certain of that, I put fair use: the rational for that would be that the image has no monetary value, we're using it for educational purposes, and it's readily available from a number of websites. However, I can contact the museum to check that with them. In case it's not PD, what exactly is the name of the free licence I should ask them about, and what are the legal implications of it for them?

As for Valentina, no it's not my name; it's just something Zoe made up to annoy me once. ;-) Is she continuing to use it? SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:39, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Nepal: history section

I've gone through it, making lots of minor changes and inserting numerous inline comments, which I'm sure you're looking forward to addressing with great excitement.  :-)

Needs referencing, which I realise is not going to be easy; otherwise the reviewers will complain. I don't suppose you know anyone at Tribhuvan University who might be willing to read through the history section, suggesting a few reference citations? I've changed AD and BC to CE (Common Era) and BCE (Before Common Era), to dechristianise the usage; although there are a few christians in Nepal, I think it's appropriate to use this increasingly standard nomenclature, don't you? Do we call them Nepalis or Nepalese?

PS I was in Nepal for a month in 1995; have you been there? Tony 02:53, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

I thank you for your message on my ‘promotion’ as an administrator. Now, as I have additional responsibilities too, I shall surely be more careful. I am confident that the benefit of your experience shall continue to be available to me. I feel happy, but more accountable. And, as desired by you, I am giving several links from where I collected/ shall continue to collect information about Culture of Nepal. These links are all mixed-up, so you will have to do “hard work” to identify the materials you may require. I chose the “easy option” of just giving the links without any sorting - the collection of these links look like lentil soup. I have indicated the links on the talk page of Culture of Nepal. --Bhadani 08:25, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks very much. Hope now I got it correctly.

--Dore chakravarty 22:26, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Pic uploaded

Pic uploaded; I guess you're planning to adjust the locations of the pics throughout at a later stage. Any way of preventing the left-side pics from covering the text above them?Tony 10:37, 19 September 2005 (UTC) PS You may consider taking a look at Fauna of Australia, which is loaded with pics.

Interlanguage links

Are you sure they are being added by bots and not just by users without accounts on this wiki? Bots should never be running anonymously, so it would be fine to block them if that is the only way of contacting them, but I don't know which IPs you mean, so I don't know if they are bots. Angela. 22:40, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

If they're doing anything wrong, then it seems fine to block them, but if they are just correctly adding interlanguage links, then there might not be much need to force them to log in (bots can run without being flagged as bots so long as they're not flooding recent changes). Angela. 20:38, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

RJ Shastri (again)

Got three covers - [2], [3] and [4] . All I need now is some time to fix everything up :-) Tintin 03:26, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Aaaaaaaargh.... Thanks Tintin 06:12, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• What is the acceptable resolution ? In my scanner I seem to have no control over the dpi. Tintin 07:58, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• • Does [5] look sufficiently bad (it sounds silly to ask a question like that !) ? 400x565 px, saved with 25 dpi. I am out of town for a few months from tomorrow night, so want to finish this by then. I came home from office during the lunch break just for this. Tintin 08:27, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• • • Overwrote it with an even smaller one. This is only 22 kb.

• • • I am going to USA tomorrow, so was on leave for few days. Once I settle down there, I should be able to continue. As part of preparation, I have scanned the Indian section of the 'Who's who of Test cricketers' and some 300 pages of Mihir Bose's History of Indian Cricket, in addition to two or three smaller books that I'll be taking with me. :-) Tintin 08:47, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks Tintin 09:02, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for the nice note. I'm hoping to be able to operate here at a different pace. Well see. Filiocht | Talk 13:55, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks for participating and supporting me in my RfA, I hope I will not let you down. Molotov (talk) 18:04, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

economic stats

Nicholas, I suspect that the figure for government expenditure (a bit over half a billion dollars) is in exchange-rate terms, whereas the GDP and per capita income are PPP. I think the budget should also be expressed in PPP, don't you, otherwise it sounds wrong by comparison? I can find out the factor, I think. Tony

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GordonWatts

I notice you've been trying to talk sense to this user. It saddens me seeing him (or anyone) waste so much energy (his and other people's) that could be used positively here. And sooner or later some less patient admin is going to block him for WP:POINT or some such. Is there anything more that could be done to get him to see sense, do you think? Filiocht | The kettle's on 07:56, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

You're probably right; ignoring him's the best thing to do. If he keeps posting polls everywhere, I can see someone banning him for POINT. Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:39, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I have better things to do with my life, but since people have criticized me for not seeking concensus, I decided to politely seek to ascertain & identify the concensus in Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship and Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates on points where I would be glad to follow, obey, and comply with the actual concensus.

However, when I do that, I am criticized for politely seeking consensus. I'm damned if I do seek concensus, and I'm definitely damned if I don't. Does someone else see a problem here?--GordonWatts 09:07, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Gordon, you have not looked for consensus (please learn to spell this word consistently correctly if you are going to spray it all over the place), you have tried to impose votes where none were needed. The fact is, you pretty well saw consensus emerging on your RfA and you did not like it, so you went into lawyer mode to try to change the rules. Fortunately, you are not going to be able to impose your will on the community against the consensus. Take my advice, which is well meant; take a wikibreak, go do those better things with your life, come back after a while with the understanding that you are just one of hundreds, even thousands, of editors here, most of whom are not admins. Otherwise, I fear that you may end up losing the main role any of us have; the ability to edit articles. Now this is the last time I'm going to respond to you. While I do not believe you are a troll, you are engaging in troll-like behaviour and it would be better if the rest of us stop feeding that. Filiocht | The kettle's on 09:21, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I know we're all busy, but don't limit yourself with promises to not respond (not that you need to) "you did not like it, so you went into lawyer mode to try to change the rules." You misunderstood me. I was not trying to "change" the rules; Rather, I was trying to identify the concensus, whatever it may be, which would define what the rules need to be, and then I was of the hope that it would be easier for me (and others) to follow the rules and policy, once it is clear what it really is: It is currently unclear: Policy says one thing (in both links above) and does another: Here are these links again, since you missed them perhaps, maybe? Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship]] and Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates "(please learn to spell this word consistently correctly if you are going to spray it all over the place)" I do misspell words-sometime, I apologize! But this time, my spell check and I see no problem. Oh well. It's no biggie: My post here, however, is one meant in good will.-GordonWatts 09:32, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Mb1000 Requests for adminship

In response to your valid concerns I have added my email address to my preferences file. --Mb1000 16:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Will you now support my nomination? I would really appreciate it. Thanks. --Mb1000 19:55, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Mind Benders

Unfortunately, due to the universal nature of Wikipedia, it will always be an inconvenient time for someone. Deryck modified the rules to try and overcome the advantage; before, it was only the first person to get the correct answer receives points, but now, everyone who gets the correct answer will receive points. The first and second users to answer correctly, though, will receive a small bonus, if I'm correct (I'll have to check, Deryck modified the rules and point system). Do you have any other proposals or ideas to equalize the competition? I'm always open to suggestions. Thanks! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 19:17, 21 September 2005 (UTC)