Talk:Skate punk

Skaters=Punks?

Why does everyone think skaters are punks????!!!?!?! it makes me mad

No mention of the ORIGINAL skatepunks, Gang Green? LOL 70.72.163.71 02:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

This is a ridiculous, horrible way to define "skate punk" given the existence of shifting demographics. I'd rather have a musicologist try to write about it, and no, the people at allmusic.com are not musicologists. Koyaanis Qatsi 19:46 18 May 2003 (UTC)

I agree, the page was created by one of Michaels incarnations and originally listed bands including Sex Pistols, Chumbawamba and 1970s rock band Trapeze (band) as 'skate punk', the latter presumably because one member of that band happened to be a namesake of a member of Crass!!! (who were by no stretch of the imagination 'skatepunk' either!!!)

This article is basically drivel - anon

This isn't even a genre! Delete --Smooth Henry 20:49, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Well some people my not believe that Sk8-punk isnt a genre but (despite that I vairly discribe my self like that) I would say that I belong to this group. As in music there are many styles of people in the world. Soccor mums, goths etc, while these may be sterotypes the discriptions that are given in these article can give a insite to the people who belong to the groups. Skatepunk IS a genre. Punks/Hardcore Punk are much differnt to skatepunks. The closest i come to agreeing is that we almost need a new name as we have drifted far from the punk style. We arent the cold, "mean" and dead eyed (no insultes ment sterotypling) punks that are often discribed, we have fun laugh play joke make fun of people and cause as much chaos as possible without hurting people... other then our friends. Skatepunk often will do something extreamy dangerous just for fun. i.e dodging trafic etc. We are similar to the people off jackarse. We dont wear dull dark colors, bright fluro and anything that stands out is our way. Think of us as punks on X. haha. Catch

You fogrot to sing, but I do agree with you fully! --KoRnholio8 21:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Please please PLEASE get rid of the unsightly and horribly off topic story about Limp Bizkit at the 97 Warped Tour. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with skate punk, and all it serves to do is demean the entire concept of skate punk AND can become confusing to someone quickly skimming the page, making one possibly think that Limp Bizkit is a representative of skate punk. I'd like to post this here before making any changes, in case anyone feels otherwise.

Also, the "More recent bands trying to capture the skate punk sound are..." section is a load of crap; most of the bands listed aren't at all good representatives of modern skate punk, and they are merely using this page as a shoutout for their band. I should know - Surfing Socrates actually opened for my band once. They are a local band out of Melbourne, FL and have not had any notable achievements whatsoever; in fact, if I can be blunt, I think that they are horribly untalented and lack any kind of merit. Lord Ramco 07:15, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

article sucks

the article sucks, but skate punk IS a genre. it refers to (drumroll please) punk music made by and for skaters. 4 note basslines, almost surf-ish drums, and fast, ramones-style guitar. mostly played on the upbeat instead of the downbeat, skatecore is known for emulating the 'feel' of skating. skate punk utilizes quick uptempo 'jumps' of silence at the end of the measure to emphasize the start of the riff. 70.56.91.147 21:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree that this article is terrible. This article should be reduced to an expanded version of the above paragraph by 70.56.91.147. I'm going to cut out some of the totally unrelated / unnecessary information now. Lobsterkins 21:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought when I read Mr. 70.56.91.147’s comment. I’m going to insinuate his words into the opening paragraph now, and maybe roll up my sleeves and dive into this some other time (right after I sort out people who think “underground rap” means “Tribe Called Quest and Jurassic 5 and other ‘conscious’ acts I discovered during freshman year”). —Curmudgeon 17:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

FAT "Wreck Chords" etc.

Wow, this article IS pretty spotty at best.. I don't understand the grunge connection fully, if you're going to mention that,why not hiphop or some other genre that skaters got into? And where is the mention of the entire ubiquitous FAT roster of bands as generally BEING skatepunk during the 90s in every small town and city? Dan Carkner 15:38, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I was a skaterpunk in the 'day' and the grunge connection is VERY real.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!! Leave hip hop OUT of this discussion! It is about skate ROCK/PUNK. The 'rapper dork' skaters were, and ARE 'fashion poseurs', and were correctly identified as POSEURS from the first day I saw one of the losers.

The only credible 'rapper' in the genre was Skatemaster Tate, and he was NOT a lame 'gangsta' rapper, and used punkish music. Teamgoon 12:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, wtf is up with the Nirvana reference seriously do we need to see them in every article??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.215.136.113 (talk) 05:15, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

One sided

This article is not good, it needs a neutrality tag. Gopherbassist 16:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

+

This is disgusting. It's nothing more than blatant advertisement of the bands named, and the "facts" contained within the article is not cited. --Scotteh 17:40, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't feel it needs a NEUTRALITY tag, it's just poorly written and needs CLEANUP. A CLEANUP tag is more appropriate. Teamgoon 12:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree, as the article is neutral regarding the subject, though it does push towards certain bands. It definitely needs a CLEANUP tag. It's cluttered and really needs some editing, if I get the chance I'll try to find a few decent sources to cite and try to clean this thing up. Damnal 03:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Why am I writing this, I’m basically reiterating what everyone’s said above me

Wow, this article needs way more work than I could have ever known from running across it on Google. Sublime are not “ska-punk legends”—they’re fun, they’re white; they’re more like a frat-boy drinking soundtrack. Geez, how old is the kid who wrote this, fifteen? That’s not a slag on younger folks, but it does lack a certain perspective. —Grunge fashion, 50% off at Macy*s! 17:26, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey I'm with you. The article leans way too hard tword pop punk or "Sesame Street Punk" to borrow a term from from old MRR. The Suicidal Tendencies first album was one of the first I remember everyone skating to until the wee hours of the morning. You can do the ol' Agent Orange/Descendents/Bad Religion arguement until you're blue in the face but I was there and I remember it being more hardcore than that. D.R.I.'s "Violent Pacification" 7-inch was more of the early skate punk sound. I remember being flat out shocked the first time I heard The Faction and they DIDN'T shred. I expected Cab to handle that bass with the same skill as his board - you know, like NOMEANSNO or something. Having said that though, going further back in time to the late 70's, believe it or not, DEVO was one of the first. Dave Andrecht, inventor of the handplant, is in one of their videos, I think "Freedom of Choice" with a keyhole jump (UPDATE: I am not sure about who's in the video, I'm getting research on lots of skaters now including S'Alba & El Gato). You can look thru old issues of Skateboarder Magazine and see guys with DEVO shirts on. Jefferson Starship supported skateboarding even before that, back when the movie "Skateboard" came out, but they had a song called "Skateboard" as well that was horrible and pretty much ended what they established. Still, though, they were rumored to be friends with Alva, and "Jane" and "Stranger" had the half-pipe "pump" rhythm back when half-pipes didn't have flat bottoms, and "Jane" even came in an extended insturmental version which seemed taylor made for contests ("Find Your Way Back" also had the California 'beach rock' vibe). The point is, can we PLEASE stop defining every damn thing with pop punk? Jeez, enough already...people 3000 years from now are going to think we ate Fruity Pebbles three times a day. User talk:Hanz ofbyotch —Preceding comment was added at 23:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Also

Skate punk or skatepunk?

I've seen either used most of my life, and either is correct. Remember, we're talking about PUNK, there are no rules... Teamgoon 12:28, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Skate Punk

Isn't Skate-Punk just Post Surf-Punk?? OMGZ 08/12/06/ 10:25

What's surf punk? -Switch ^t 10:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Offspring at Warped

They played in '97? Something's wrong here. I've heard interviews where Noodles said that their stint on the '05 tour was the first time on it. Blackbird 1565 06:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)Blackbird_1565

Hmm

I don't know if this applys or not, but my experience with the skatepunk genre suggests that there needs to be some mention of the simplified thrash chords that skate punk bands tend to use. Take bands like Pennywise for example who will often use a simple high on the bridge palm mute power chord and repeat the beat as fast as they can creating a kh-kh-kh-kh-kh-kh-Grsh sound. This seems to spawn pretty directly from early skatepunk bands like Suicidal Tendencies who were also part of the crossover thrash scene. In my experience the "thrasher riff" is pretty instrumental in creating that illusion of the feel of skateboarding.

History

When did skate punk start? What was the first skate punk band? // Liftarn (talk) JFA,The Faction,Agent Orange, McRad, and RKL were the first skate punk bands. Nofx didnt come till the 90's. Hardcore bands like Blackflag and Minor Threat were popular among skateboards because of their sound and that the members skated. But they were more hardcore. But JFA and Agent Orange really started skate punk.

the Dwarves

How come i do not see them beeing mentioned? Ain't they doing some skate-punk stuff aswell?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.228.21.255 (talk) 13:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Blink 182

in my opinion, blink is the revolution of the punk rock and skate punk in the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lara Conde (talk • contribs) 23:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Blink 182 was skate punk for like, Buddha, Cheshire Cat, and Dude Ranch. After that they were just a pop rock band, not even pop punk, like everyone seems to think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.110.234.231 (talk) 01:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)