Rockero

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Previous discussions:

• Archive 1 (November 2005)
• Archive 2 (December 2005)
• Archive 3 (January 2006)

Current discussions:

Cantinflas

I've sent the article to peer review with very little feedback. The only thing mentioned was to increase the lead. However, I think it still needs some expanding. I was wondering if you could add anything that you think is missing and fine-tune it, if you have the time. I'll send it to FAC soon. Gflores ^Talk 02:14, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, no problem. One other thing I noticed is that all the images are from copyrighted (they're screenshots from films). Do you know if that'll be ok? Gflores ^Talk 06:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

No biggie, I had no way to know the article was being edited at that moment. I think the article is a bit on the short side for an FA, but I still have to go through much of it. I'll try to give proper feedback in its PR page sometime this weekend. It's actually been on my TODO list for at least a week... -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 11:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Screenshots aren't public domain, I don't think. Feel free if you want to change my footnotes or move stuff around. It's actually my first time making inline citations. Nice work! Gflores ^Talk 19:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I think I will submit the article to WP:FAC. Although I don't think it'll pass, I want to see hear some feedback and suggestions. Oh, and thanks for your Launch radio station, it's a good listen. :) Gflores ^Talk 08:17, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cantinflas. I forgot you hadn't added the book references. Do you think you could do that when you have time. There's also a comment on a quoted passage in the FAC. Thanks. Gflores ^Talk 17:21, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The way I see it there are two options. One, you can add references in the article text like so... See [1]

Or we can convert the references to {{ref|name}} (see Cinema of Mexico and [[Sino-German cooperation ::(1911-1941)|]]). Then there would be {{note|name}} in the footnotes section. I'm also not too familiar with citing sources, so I'm learning too! :) Gflores ^Talk 18:41, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I have now cited the books in the footnotes place (using the former method, b/c I didn't want to convert all of the other citations). I think it's correct now, but I could be wrong. There's two more quotes in the last two paragraphs that need citations. I've added them, but they need page numbers. Gflores ^Talk 19:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Now that the article has been expanded, do you think a little bit more should be added to the introduction? Or break it into two paragraphs? Gflores ^Talk 05:00, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to remove that one tidbit about the song, as well. I'm glad you did. The image is a good addition to the article, as well. I didn't realize there was that missing, I would've held off the FAC. Well, at least it'll give us critical feedback. Later. Gflores ^Talk 23:24, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Discrim_5-45_detail.jpg

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SOS

No problem. The removal of the "For" links probably counts as "simple vandalism", so reverting that at least wouldn't fall under 3RR. Evil saltine 22:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, in hindsight I think your version is better. Evil saltine 00:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

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Chicano Park

If a paragraph has too many sentences, it becomes a block of text. The way to fix it is to divide big paragraphs into smaller paragraphs. Smaller paragraphs make reading articles more manageable and exciting looking. Also, it's harder for the reader to get lost. If you want more information, you could ask the WP:Reference Desk about why paragraphs should only have few sentences, and not have big blocks of text. They will explain better if my explanation wasn't clear enough. Hopefully, this clears it up. Thanks for asking. --Shultz 20:14, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I guess it's kinda better now, and that if anything else there looks like it still needs fixing, I'll go ahead and fix it myself. Feel free to touch it up anytime you want to also. --Shultz 00:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

De Nada (Art Torres)

Happy to contribute :-) Butros 00:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

OH

• Good points. I'm going to try Jimmy Santiago Baca next. He is definitely within the purview the project (and a Nuevo Mexicano). Murcielago 16:52, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Just started him -- a stub, but I'll try to get it in better shape in the next few days. Murcielago 17:44, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding piped links

Is there some convention on Wikipedia that prefers suffixes outside of the linking markup? For example [[Cuba]]n instead of [[Cuba|Cuban]]? I saw that you tidied Oscar Hijuelos, and I've been doing mostly all piped links when the title of an article I want to link to doesn't correspond to the text. Thx.--Rockero420 22:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The short answer is "yes"; the relevant document is Wikipedia:How to edit a page#Links and URLs:

San Francisco also has public transportation.

Examples include buses, taxis, and streetcars.

• Endings are blended into the link.
• Preferred style is to use this instead of a piped link, if possible.

Oddly, it isn't mentioned in Wikipedia:Piped link, which is where you might have expected to find it. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 23:13, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Commas

The "rules" of punctuation are both complex and flexible (and there are regional variations). There are two main reasons for the placement of a comma: logic and speech patterns. In this case, for example, the two parts of the sentence are unconnected (his living in New York and his contact with a publisher); strictly speaking they should be separated by a semi-colon (if not made into two distinct sentences), but the rhythm of speech is such that the pause between them would likely be short (largely because the two parts are short, and a longer pause would feel unnatural), so a comma feels better. There has to be something, though.

Teachers, faced with the task of giving pupils rules, tend to oversimplify and rigidify (I'm afraid that teachers are also not always as kowledgeable as their air of confidence implies; I've seen teachers "correct" good English to bad, while ignoring obvious mistakes). In this case, the teacher seems to have decided to simplify matters by giving a nice straightforward rule, but the rule is only part of the story.

Sorry if that turned into a mini-lecture. I've spent my life writing, reading, and teaching the use of language, and it tends to become a bit of an obsession. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Proposed project

Hey Rockero, saw that you posted the Penitentes on the project. I knew that their jump to wiki was inevitable. I am originally from a small town where los hermanos are very active, and while never a member myself, count them among my people. A lot of the scholarship on them is pretty gringo-centric, factually inaccurate, and in my opinion exploitive of a sect of humble Hispanos who just want to worship God in their way according to their traditions.

My question is this: how, if at all, does Wiki deal with things like oral tradition and first-hand knowledge (particularly when it is contrary to "sources")? Murcielago 00:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Gracias. Excellent thoughts. Murcielago 15:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Cantinflas

First of all your sister is very pretty. I hope you don't mind but I modified the image to Image:Cantinflas walk of fame.PNG, rotating it and... cropping it. :) --Vizcarra 23:09, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I second that, your sister is beautiful. :) Gflores ^Talk 23:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

No sweat. It runs in the family 8). I thought JPG was the preferred format for photos? Or is it different for scans? I know png is non-lossy, but I read it on a policy page somewhere. Otherwise I would've uploaded it as a png myself. But whatever. As long as the pic looks good and fits well.--Rockero420 23:18, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

PNG is preferred over JPG because PNG is non-lossy, so more information is kept. The quality of the picture is good though, and after going through JPG, this particular PNG is already "lossy", but I normally just upload images as PNG anyways. --Vizcarra 01:47, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Cucamonga

"Rochester", played by Eddie Anderson was the valet character on the old Jack Benny radio and TV shows. Previously, someone had implied that Rochester Drive or Avenue or whatever it is was named for "Rochester". Someone else reverted it and said Rochester Drive is a major street and was not named for Jack Benny's "Rochester", which I couldn't say for sure but it sounds reasonable. I added it back, with the disclaimer that it's an amusing coincidence. The name "Cucamonga" is strongly connected with the Benny shows, so I think it's fair to point out that coincidence, but I need to explain what it's about, for the younger generations. Wahkeenah 03:27, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• DONE. Wahkeenah 03:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Reies Lopez Tijerina

Rockero, got your message. I am actually not in New Mexico. Although I am originally from there, I haven't lived there in the last eight years. I think the Hispano land grant struggle should have its own page, though, as it is a struggle that's still going on. I would be happy to collaborate on a page about it if you'd like. Murcielago 21:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

• Just read the Alianza article. I think it's a good place for land grant history, but again, the land grant struggle pre-dated the Alianza, and goes on today, and I think it might eclipse the Alianza page if that were its only outlet. Did the Tijerina auto-bio refer to La Mano Negra or to the Gorras Blancas? I haven't read it, but I think the Gorras Blancas, at least deserve a page to themselves. But I'm digressing. . .Murcielago 21:17, 16 February 2006 (UTC)