PaxEquilibrium
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Archived
As requested :) Regards -- sannse (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
To Boris Ziv
Ali... ja ti nisam dirao User Page!
A to sa Prijezdama, pogledaj Trpimirovic dynasty i Nemanjić. Trpimir i Stefan Nemanja nisu bili prvi iz svoje kuće, al' su prvi iz te dinastije. --HolyRomanEmperor 16:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Re: Sukobi
Uglavnom, revert war -- mislim da momak gura svoj PoV o Bosancima/Bošnjacima narodu najstarijem preko prihvatljive mjere. (Talk:Bosnians, Talk:Bosniaks, Talk:Meša Selimović) Duja 16:16, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
- I ja to mislim. Zar se pretvara? ;;-) – nisam primijetio. Ako i da, prilicno lose. Duja 13:41, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Category:Croatian_history
I placed a little disclaimer in Category:Croatian history. Most items should still be categorized under Category:History of Croatia. For example, if Duklja, Zahumlje, and Travunia lie within the current borders of the Republic of Croatia they should still be categorized under Category:History of Croatia. This is the standard set up in Wikipedia:WikiProject History. But, yes, Boka Kotorska, Kosovo, and Vojvodina would more accurately fit into the new category because Category:History of Croatia has a nationalist connotation to it. --Thewanderer 20:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Lika
Eto napiso sam. Luka Jačov 22:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Question
The magazine has moved. Now you can find it on [1] (English) or [2] (Serbian). You should also take a look at [3]. A quote: "Трагајући даље, Слободан Шћепановић је, на основу докумената из дубровачког архива, раније писаних дјела и сачуване усмене традиције, дошао до закључка да је Руђеров чукундједа, у ствари, Бошко Станишин Шћепановић из Роваца у Црној Гори**. **То потврђује и В. М. Булатовић у веома исцрпној и богатој студији о Ровцима и Ровчанима." You could even wrote an article on his father, who wrote a couple of books and is notable person himself.
Have you seen that a new extension, Cite.php is installed? It's quite nice, and I'd advice you to use it to cite your articles. Nikola 06:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
As I see that you are now propagating the myth of Greater Serbia, don't expect any help from me in the future. Nikola 07:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
About Ninoslav(finaly)
The author obviously says he was a Serb because of that manuscript you also mentioned.He wasn`t really forced(became catholic or you will be killed),but Magayr gave him the choice either you became catholic or you stay bogumil and we will place someone else instead of you as ban.In that situation he "became" catholic and was catholic as long as treat of Magayars was close when they crossed Sava he return to bogumils.
About your text, I have never seen that he was a catholic and supporter of Magayrs,especially since he became a ban because of bogumils support and he replaced ban Stevan(Kulins only son)who was promagayr and catholic(he spent time in Magayr as captive and there he was probably convinced in catholicism).
I also found mentioning of someone named Ponza as bosnian catholic archbishop after the crusade and that he worked hard on spreading catholicism.I`m going to look up about it as soon as can since my exams are very close. --CrniBombarder!!! (†) 08:18, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually no it is not my dear friend, how come then Bosnian Language is called for example in italian "La lingua bosniaca, (bosanski jezik)" check this dictionary as well http://www.ultralingua.net/yd/ydindex.html?text=bosnian&service=english2french Damir Mišić 20:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
Serbs of Croatia Image
Hi. I made on here: File:Srbs croatia.JPG. I don't think it's necessary to add the population statistics since they are already included in the main Serbs article -- but you can add an image anyway. Antidote 01:07, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Izbrisao sam jer mislim da se zasad nema smisla ponavljati no ako misliš proširit dobro. Inače meni se čini logičnijim prevodom Krajine i Krajišnika Borderland i Borderlanders jer Krajina ne znači granica več granično područje. Luka Jačov 18:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Sad sam na irc-u. Luka Jačov 19:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Daj mi samo reci onda kad češ bit na ircu i u kojoj sobi. Luka Jačov 15:06, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
- Show me the image you prefer for Milutin and I will replace it. Also, a statistics box was removed by Elephantus and I agree with that since we already have a statistics box for Serbs. Instead we can just put an image, I suppose. Or whatever else you want -- I just don't like the idea of a statistics box. Antidote 20:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
- OK, I will replace that image. If you want to show the areas where the populations are plenty, I guess you can use a wikitable like the one found here: Sânnicolau Mare. Antidote 13:55, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi. Yes it originally had Boscovic but User:Elephantus uploaded an image over it without Boscovic because he doesn't think he's a Serb. I don't know if I should reupload it again. Antidote 22:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
That's the problem, I can't find a picture of Karamata big enough to put in this image. If you could find one, then I will. Thanks. Antidote 23:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, I see your are fluent in Serbo-Croatian. I am wondering if you could translate sr:Стеван Христић this article into English for me, since we are missing the English language entry. There are other composers who have articles on the Serbian wikipedia but who are lacking here. Whenever you get a chance, and if its not too much work, can you translate these into a rough english version (I will fix for grammar and add images and all that jazz). Thanks. Antidote 01:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Amazing job =-0. I can't believe you translated it so quickly. Thank you very much. Right now, we have to find an image that can replace Boscovic in the Serbs of Croatia image. I cannot find a picture of Karamata or Runjanin big/or good enough to satisfy the sizing. I suppose I can simply put Boscovic back in if you wish. Antidote 19:54, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Just to let you know, Boscovic was deleted again. I'll try to find images of Karamata. Antidote 23:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I'm slightly reluctant about adding Marko Car given he was radical, but I don't see any reason not to add Baltazar, so I did. He was pretty famous in Croatia, and well-rounded in accomplishments so I think he's a good choice. Antidote 20:09, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Images
When uploading images scanned from a book or other printed material you should include the name of the original publication and other data. Also, please refrain from tagging images as public domain if you're not reasonably certain that they're indeed in the public domain. It is not some kind of "default" tag to be included when you're not certain what to do; it needs to be backed up by data. --Elephantus 02:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Jesi sad na IRC-u? Luka Jačov 23:22, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Ajd mi pliz odgovri, stvarno bih htio porazgovarati o nekim stvarima i mogučoj saradnji. Luka Jačov 23:28, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Just couple of minures. I am in wikipedia-sr room now. Luka Jačov 23:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Dobivam nekako dojam da me u zadnje vrjeme izbjegavaš. Luka Jačov 23:53, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Sad sam na ircu pa dođi. Luka Jačov 15:17, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Reci mi kako se točno zove soba.Luka Jačov 23:57, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Evo skužih, pa dođi u sobi. Sad sam tamo garant:)! Luka Jačov 00:09, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Jesi sad na irc-u? Luka Jačov 13:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Kad češ biti dulje vremena na irc-u? Luka Jačov 21:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Kad čemo na irc? Luka Jačov 19:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Novi nacrt za historiju BiH
Nemam ništa protiv da napišeš članak o historiji Hercegovine, i pomoći ću ti kad mognem. Međutim, što se tiće Bosne to je komplikovano jer taj izraz historijski označava cijelu zemlju, uključujuči i Hercegovinu. Iako su obadvoje regije u imenu savremene države, Hercegovina nije historijski jednaka Bosni u smislu važnosti. Live Forever 20:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Mapa
"I didn't insist on that map to be included!"
Ako misliš na moj komentar kod izmena članka o istoriji BIH, taj komentar je bio za Nikolu. PANONIAN (talk) 16:44, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
Your edits
On Talk:Lika you wrote:
- When I write something; Elephantus is bound to show up and delete (as he usually does to my contirubtions :) I judged this only by the way that he expresses severe nationalist tendencies. I would much rather write a truthful or at least a nearly-truthful article and feed his nationalist hunger than fight pointless edit wars!
Your words and your actions seem to be in contradiction. Despite proclaiming yourself "...a globalist, an internationalist, an idealist, an anti-nationalist and a cosmopolitan.", you apparently prefer adding nationalist claims, which are bound to prove controversial, to many articles, backing them with literal translations of biased or extremely biased, poorly researched material. I suggest re-reading of WP:NPOV and WP:V. I also recommend WP:NOT, especially the section "Wikipedia is not a soapbox". You should also take writings of one-sided historians and others with a bucketload of salt, or at least let others do that, if you yourself are unwilling or unable to do so. --Elephantus 22:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
- Ok, but if you note the translation is in french and not in italian concerning the Bosniak - bosniaque translation. Damir Mišić 19:28, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
However, I had the luck to escape the war and the bombarding of zadar (where I am from). During the war I was situated in Germany for 6 years before returning to Zadar in 96 which was the very first time after the war ended, In 96 the town was recovering but the traces of war were still noteable. If you are intressted in talking to people who actually lived there during the war I will try to get in contact with some for you, I cannot promise anything but I will try if you wish. Damir Mišić 19:28, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Kad čemo na irc? Luka Jačov 19:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Kako to da mi još nisi odgovorio? Luka Jačov 15:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
Balthazzar Bogišić
I will attempt to make an article on him. I'll get to you when its finished. Antidote 17:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
OK. I started a little bit Baltazar Bogišić, but unfortunately it needs a lot of work. I'm not certain if there is an article on him on the Croatian or Serbian wikipedias - if so, the information there would help. Antidote 18:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Found the Serbian article sr:Валтазар Богишић. Antidote
Hi, whenever you get a chance, see how much you can translate from the talk page there. I did the first paragraph but afterwards starting getting lost with some of the wording. Take as much time as you want - there's no rush for this. I will continue to translate as much as I can meanwhile. :) Antidote 05:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Kad čemo na IRC? Luka Jačov 13:54, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Ajmo na IRC sad:-)? Luka Jačov 00:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Republika Srpska
There is an ongoing mediation. You can make some comments here. Hope that helps :) - FrancisTyers 09:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Nešto sam ti se zamjerio? Luka Jačov 16:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Mehmed-pasa
Don't worry, I just haven't had the time to respond as I've been very busy. Hopefully by the end of the week. Live Forever 19:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Marko Car
Sorry, Emperor, but information on him is actually very difficult to find as I struggle reading some of the SerboCroatian texts. I have searched for this name, and turned up nothing, especially in English texts. I honestly have little knowledge of who this is. :( Antidote 01:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Srpska zastava
Ma jok Holy, imao sam wikibreak do danas. Sto se zastave tice, nisam odmah odgovorio, a kontao sam da ces je sam naci na Flag of Serbia – bilo je prilicno ocigledno, zar ne?. Pozdrav, Duja 13:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Mapa Jugoslavije
Koliko sam shvatio pitao si da li mogu da nacrtam posleratnu etničku mapu bivše Jugoslavije. Mislim da ne mogu, jer nemam dovoljno podataka za tako nešto. Etničke mape Srbije, Crne Gore i Makedonije koje sam radio sam bazirao na mapama opština ovih teritorija i na podacima sa popisa stanovništva o etničkom sastavu svih tih opština. U Hrvatskoj i Makedoniji je formirano mnogo novih opština a ja nemam ni mapu sa tim novim opštinama ni podatke o njihovom etničkom sastavu. Dalje, novu etničku kartu BIH je teško nacrtati bez novog popisa stanovništva. Mape koje radim obično baziram na podlozi jedne postojeće mape (a ne na podlozi više njih). Dakle da bih uradio mapu kakvu tražiš morao bih imati kao podlogu jednu mapu bivše Jugoslavije sa ucrtanim svim (novim) opštinama iz svih republika i podatke o etničkom sastavu svih tih opština (a nemam ni jedno ni drugo). One mape sa sajta www.rastko.org.yu pokazuju samo granice predratnih opština a ne ovih novih, tako da mi to puno ne vredi. Mislim da će takva mapa kakvu predlažeš moći da se uradi tek posle novog popisa u BIH. PANONIAN (talk) 20:37, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
"Mislio sam da je popis za BiH gotov... Barem tako kaže Demographics of Bosnia and Herzegovina"
Gde kaže? Tamo piše samo da su ti podaci procena. Ne znam da je skoro bio novi popis u BIH. PANONIAN (talk) 21:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Two people
Holy, can you tell me what you know (if anything) about the following two poets: Kosta Abrašević and Ratko Popovic. If you can, also provide a source. Thanks so much. Antidote 00:50, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Husein i ustanak
Jedan članak je životpis Gradaščevića a drugi je samo o bosanskom ustanku. Za sada su tekstovi maltene identični pa je malo bezveze, ali mislim da bi u budućnosti to mogao postati jedan kvalitetan i zaseban članak. Što se tiče Sokolovića, tek sam sad ovih dana nešto slobodan pa ću ti odgovoriti čim stignem. Live Forever 20:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Croatian history, Lika
User:PANONIAN has removed my categorizing of History of Vojvodina in Croatian history. I brought up the fact that Lika is similarly categorized under Serbian history and he says that this is incorrect as well. Now, either I'll have to remove Lika from Serbian history, or hopefully you could work out a compromise with PANONIAN (I don't have time to deal with issues that make me seem like some sort of nationalist, so it would probably be easier for you to deal with this). Thanks. --Thewanderer 17:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Do not worry, I already removed Lika from "Serbian history", and all other articles which were in similar wrong categories. :) PANONIAN (talk) 03:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Lastovo
Pa što ne glasaš kad znaš da je glasanje u tjeku:-)! Luka Jačov 20:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Glasanje?IRC?:-) Luka Jačov 18:29, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Pa de si? :-) Luka Jačov 23:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Stefan Dragutin i Vladislav
Ok, hvala za link, u svakom slučaju koliko sam ja već proučio tu temu, Ugrin Čak je taj koji je vladao Sremom i Slavonijom kao nezavisni vladar, a posle njegove smrti je mađarski kralj te teritorije priključio svojoj državi. Možda je onda mađarski kralj to dao na upravu Stefanu Vladislavu. Međutim, u članku o Stefanu Vladislavu piše da je on dobio Slavoniju 1292. Dakle, nije mi još sve to potpuno jasno. :)
PANONIAN (talk) 03:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Image copyright problem with Image:Ston.jpg
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Independence
Look, I want full independe of Montenegro but there are other countries that i believe that must be independent because of what they're doing to it.
P.S. What Country are you from anyway? If from Montenegro, Tell me what city.
CrnaGora 20:23, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
- Independence causes problems, economic problems. If Montenegro secedes, then it may be harder for them to join the EU. --Latinus (talk (el:)) 12:47, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
So, where are you from? --Latinus (talk (el:)) 13:51, 4 February 2006 (UTC) (I'm assuming either Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia or Montenegro)
- Why don't you answer me? --Latinus (talk (el:)) 14:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
No one knows... I'm sure though, that in about fifteen years, all former Yugoslavia (including Kosovo), Albania and Turkey will have joined the EU (along with Romania and Bulgaria, who will be joining in 2007). As I've said on my userpage, no one knows where I live, so I won't be telling you ;-) I will tell you though, that I am half Greek and half British. --Latinus (talk (el:)) 22:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
From Bomac
Hello, HolyRomanEmperor!
Ofcourse it's not true that we Macedonians are serbinized Bulgarians. We are Macedonians, nor Bulgarians, nor Serbs, nor anything else. The Bulgarian theory is a very without-logic one, namely they claim that we Macedonians are torned apart from the Bulgarians "thanks to" Serbs and especially Marshal Tito. Please! And what about the Macedonians in Pirin Macedonia or Aegean Macedonia? They were not under a Serbian influence, haven't they? This is a clear Bulgarian propaganda. You should know about the repressions and tortures Bulgarians do to the Macedonian minority in Pirin Macedonia, due to calling themselves Macedonians.
И свакако да могу (али по мало) разберити Српскохрватски језик! Он је врло сличан са македонским. Поздрав или Во-здра! 
--Bomac 13:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
- No. There aren't pro-Bulgarian elements in Macedonia. Bulgarians say like that because, simply, they really want to be like that. Yes, in the past, there was a pro-Bulgarian organisation who came from Bulgaria (it was called "Radko", I think) in Macedonia and made a scandal with statements in Skopje, in which they say (typicall) that Macedonians are Bulgarians. Pardon me, but they've made fools of themselves. No-one did react on that statement and didn't had consequences. Other example (I'd say also with a propaganda behind it), also hapenned long time ago, is the massive import of Bulgarian newspapers in Macedonia. No-one bought them (which was the main reason they dissapeared for a quick time) caus' of the inclarity of the Bulgarian language and, simply - the people were not interested about what is going on in Bulgaria. About Bulg. language, almost all Macedonians (including me) think that it is a very non-melodic and rough-mechanical language, which is not suitable for Macedonia. Поздрав, друже! Bomac 13:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
Чуј пријатељу, ако се ти осећаш као Србин по националност (мада мислим да у почетку смо сви били исти -Словени), никој нема право да ти тебе казује ко си и шта си. На пример, ја сам Македонац, и не прихваћам неко да ми казује да сам Бугарин, Србин или Грк, јер ја се тако, едноставно - не осећам.
А и штом већ постоји Црногорска држава, не би требало да се она претопи у Србију или било која суседња држава, без разлике из који етноси је састављена. Морам признати да је Црна Гора једна прекрасна земља са врло лепа природа (Био сам ово лето у Бечичи, па зато ). То је моје мишљење.
And about the map - Yes, I've seen that map already. Actually there aren't recognised Macedonians there. It is a Serbian point of view (just like the Bulgarian or Greek), where Macedonians are Serbs. You see, Macedonia has always been a kind of a "bridge" between the neighbouring states. That's why (even today) they continue to deny the Macedonians, with different level of intensity. It very well known that Macedonia is "јабука раздора" between it's neighbours. Поздрав! Bomac 15:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, most of your statements are correct, but there isn't a large contigent of Bulgarians in Macedonia. Better said, there are no Bulgarians in the Republic of Macedonia. We Macedonians don't know much about Bulgarian culture or history, and vice versa. On the other hand, the Macedonians in Bulgaria are treated very badly, or I should say - they are discriminated. The reason of this is, as Bulgarians (politicians etc.) say - spreading "Macedonism", a movement and ideology which, as they say, is very good paid "by the Serbs". It's non-sense. There isn't any serbian influence. Macedonians are self declaring as "Macedonians".
I think that the Macedonian situation is not quite the same as the Montenegrin. Bomac 21:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
- Look, we (Macedonians) have been a really, really long time under foreign rule. After the liberation of the surrounding countries from Ottoman Empire, Macedonia was still a battlefield for the same countries. So, Macedonians were hoping that Nikola Pasic's statement will mean that Serbia really intends to protect Macedonians (and Macedonia) as a nation with it's national identity. That is the main reason they declared as Serbs. They could not possibly oppose that decision caus' Macedonians were (and I should say - are) repressed form all sides - Greece, Bulgaria and even Serbia.
And about the medeival period, even today we are called by some our dear neighbours (Greece for example) Slavs from Macedonia , because obviously, Macedonia is трн у око for everyone around it. Regards, Bomac 00:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Hvala
Izvini što tek sada odgovaram, bio sam prilično zauzet večeras. Hvala ti za zvezdu. Pozdrav. PANONIAN (talk) 02:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks
Hey, thanks for the Barnstar. Take one yourself :-))) --Latinus (talk (el:)) 11:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Kosovar
Zdravo! When you have a free moment, go and read our little discussion User_talk:Kosovar -- Kosovar 14:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
I'll have to say I don't remember, Greetings Damir Mišić 14:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Mass Translations Needed
Hello Holy. In order to fill up some of the red links on List of Serbs, we need some mass translations to be made. If you ever find the time, be sure to stop by a do some. You can find the list here: Wikipedia:Translation_into_English#Serbian-to-English Antidote 21:39, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Srem
Mislim da je taj "Belgrade in baptized Croatia" u stvari Biograd a ne Beograd. Što se tiče kralja Tomislava, tačno je da je deo Srema pripadao njegovoj državi, ali po ovoj mapi koju su crtali Hrvati, to je bio samo zapadni Srem (jel na onoj mapi što si je ti video tu ceo Srem ili samo zapadni deo):
Inače habsburška pokrajina Kingdom of Slavonia je formalno pripadala i Hrvatskoj i Mađarskoj, a Srem je bio deo Slavonije u to vreme. PANONIAN (talk) 22:06, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Lika
What you said on my page is true. However, since that explanation was necessary, we can add a "Population" section, where we can insert the "mix" sentence and your explanation from my talk page. Is that satisfactory? --Zmaj 12:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Banja Luka
See Historical population of Banja Luka. Some of the data accuracy was clouded due to manipulation of names that we talked about before. One could not claim that Banja Luka was Bosniak city (nor Serb or Croat for that matter) but the city itself had quoaters that were either Bosniak (Muslim), Serb (Orthodox) or Croat (Catholic). As a city it was always mixed, even in 1991. --Dado 17:13, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
It is not exactly clear who founded the city. One of the first dwellings in the city was the castle Kastel that was supposedly built by Romans in 8th century (some sources state that it was built around 3rd century). There is few or no information about the city before the Ottomans. Some records show that Croats inhabited the region in late 14th century particularly creating the establishment in Petricevac near Banja Luka but this is know only because monks were the only ones who were keeping historical records at the time. Bosniaks were certainly first who significantly developed the city in the 15th century to the point that it became a capital of Bosnian Pashaluk in late 17th century so they can be credited for significant part of founding the city. Their development took place south of and near Kastel
Most of the today's southern part of the city (Donji Seher, Gornji Seher, Hiseta, Mejdan and all 4 renamed by RS authorities) was Bosniak, up to the Crkvena creek and Kastel. Crkvena creek itself is today a bit of an ambiguous border because it was paved over in the 60's and the creek was turned into a channel. For nearly 400 years the old town center was based between Ferhadija and Arnaudija mosques and included many structures most of which were destroyed in the 1969 earthquake but the reconstruction and revitalization was started in late 1980's. Today you can still find some old foundations at the place where shops once stood alike ones in Bascarsija.
Most of the Serbs arrived in late 19th century and settled on the other side of Crkvena what is today a modern city center. This part of town was particularly developed by Austro-Hungarians at the turn of the 20th century and one could had really distinguish it in style from the old town at the time. Serbs also settled areas to the west of the city center including Laus, Paprikovac, Nova Varos. As the town modernized and expanded north into the valley after the earthquake more Serbian population was becoming part of the city including Borik, Starcevica, Budzak etc..
Today's coat of arms suggests that it is a Serbian city which is historically a notorious concoction. It is actually an alternate version of an old coat of arms abstractly depicting Kastel that had no national insignia whatsoever. It does not surprise me although that this coat of arms is in official use given many other things that took place in Banja Luka during the recent war that are still being denied or neglected among current authorities or by those who migrated into the city after it was ethnically cleansed. But that's another story.
I apologize for a long e-mail but you asked a good question. --Dado 21:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
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Brale brale brale, neznam sta da ti kazem. Dje to ja mrzim hrvate?, aha! ako pricam istinu kakva takva onda mrzim hrvate, jeli tako komsiju, jeli mrzim sam sebe? Priznajem nemogu bas bosanske hrvate da "volim/(?)" zar su oni (svi znamo) Bosnjacki katolici ali nesta drugo se zovu, i meni su do glave dosli svi ovi lazovi srpski i hrvatski, dosta! I mene stvarno nije briga ako mislis da sam hrvat, srbin, bosanac ili afrikanac, ja hocu istinu da pricam neovisno o nacionalitetu. Ali ako stvarno hoces da znas oženjen sam sa bosnjakinjom, mozda zato mrzim sam sebe? Damir Mišić
Zašto još nisi glaso za Lastovo:)? Luka Jačov 16:09, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
History of Herzegovina
I personally have a lot of books on the subject. It does take me a little while to translate the information though. Unfortunately, my personal information doesn't include a lot about Trebinje or other areas of eastern Herzegovina that are largely Serb. There's also a decent amount of stuff to be found online, but it doesn't seem to be enough to make this into a great article. --Thewanderer 21:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
catchup
Hi there. I haven't logged into en:wiki in quite a while, so I probably missed quite a bit. Where did we left off? :)
I'm trying to connect the dots from our old talk now. The problem with Tvrtko Kotromanić's religion is quite typical - which of the Churches confirmed his coronation. I didn't actually track hercegbosna.org to be able to verify that they changed their story :) I only read what Mir Harven wrote on the talk pages over here. His story was that there were two coronations, one in Mili and one in Mileševa. I don't really know which is accurate, because I haven't actually seen someone saying that either place was definitely the coronation site - that link you pasted also says probably. Sigh.
I see that the qualification of the number of 140k refugees in .sr is fixed now. Nothing more to intervene in there?
I figure the confusion regarding the 24h block is also long gone now...
I'm not keen on archiving my Talk page, it still works as is, and it gives a nice history as well as deters most frivolous readers :)
Bio sam prije par mjeseci u Dubrovniku pa sam slikavao i uploadao neke zanimljive slike, pogledat cu sto je dalje bilo na tim talk stranicama sad.
U vezi broja izbjeglica - ne znam vise ima li smisla spominjati sva ta natezanja oko brojeva (iako nisam bas vise siguran da li pricamo o istom onom clanku kojeg se sjecam :). Prilicno sam siguran da smo ostavili negdje na jednom od tih clanaka overview: kako je ukupni broj Srba koji nedostaju od zadnjeg popisa na 380k, koji su brojevi spominjani u vezi Oluje (90-140-200-250-300?), a koliko se ljudi registriralo kao izbjeglice u Srbiji. U biti ovo je bio jedan od razloga zasto mi se "Serbs in Croatia" ili "History of Serbs in Croatia" cinio kao dobar novi clanak - na jednom mjestu bi se to napisalo i onda bi ostali clanci polinkali taj a ne da stalno negdje fali ili ima viska ili se vandalizira.
De regno Sclavorum claims that the Serbs built Dubrovnik? Cool. I have to insist on chapter and verse here, of course :o)
I would be interested in reading more about Ivan Gundulić's nationally-relevant stuff. I recall how User:Igor had once upon a time spilled his bile into that article, but there was very little actual rational discussion or corroboration. I had a sneaking suspicion that there must have been something in particular with Gundulić that made him an explicit matter of dispute.
DAI claims that Croats were in Singidunum? Cool. But again, a quote would be nice. That doesn't seem to fit in well with most of the historical maps I've seen, even those that are too optimistic. Overall the whole notion of the Croats being dominant in the whole of Slavonia, Srijem, etc in that time, and at the same time on the Adriatic coast, and at the same time that there were mostly Serbs up to Vrbas or even Una, and Ljudevit Posavski taking refuge with the Serbs in Srb, and ... at times this whole scenario just becomes too fishy.
Reading my talk page further down, I see now you also found new information about the Kotromanić dynasty, that's good :) It seems plausible that the Bosnian nomenclature at the time was first and foremost opportunistic - keeping good relations with both east and west, and profiting from that.
I'll read the article about the Serbian societies in Dubrovnik, thanks for the link. I noticed that in general the historical debates lack context in the sense that we always try to focus on the "important" stuff - meaning we go out of our way to figure out who was the protagonist of some period in some area, but this often causes us to lose sight of everything else that happened along the way.
Phew, that should be it for now. :) --Joy [shallot] 01:26, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
A-haa, znači oba su se dogodila sigurno? Jedno je bilo u zapadnom a drugo u istočnom stilu, čisto da obje nomenklature dobiju svaka svoj domjenak? :)
Hm, nisam skoro nikada ni gledao sr: stranicu "Hrvatska", a mislim da s obzirom na veličinu watchliste na en: nisam spreman uhvatiti se u koštac s još jednim takvim... vrelom zanimljivosti :)
(U vezi idola Tomislava) Zanimljivo! (Zašto se koncentrirao baš na obalu?)
Odlično da ste napravili te stranice. Ovo za kontroverznost nema veze, to se može i treba riješiti u hodu, bitno da je tema na mjestu. Editirao sam malo onu prvu, budem još, sve pet. Nisam još pregledao Talk stranicu i history, ali sigurno hoću ako mi vrijeme dopusti. U vezi Boškovića vidim sad da ima i čudnovato imenovani članak House of Boshko :) ali da, to jest corner case oko kojega se očekivano lome koplja. Općenito na toj stranici vrijedi izdvojiti stare Dubrovčane kao ljude koji se mahom baš ne uklapaju u neke nacionalne profile (i predrasude), ali su sigurno bitni za cijelu sintagmu, ideju, Srba u Hrvatskoj, a ujedno i bitni za povijest Hrvatske općenito, neovisno o tome kakvo netko mišljenje zastupao o tome.
Nisam siguran da je onaj transkript DAIja na wikisourceu precizan u toj rečenici, jer je lako moguće da se misli na Biograd na Moru. Preletio sam sad preko članka o Ljudevitu Posavskom, vidim izložena je i ona kontroverzna priča, da. To me u tom trenutku podsjetilo i na petero braće i dvije sestre, pa sam i to uvrstio u priču :)
Nisam mislio nužno na Gundulićevu nacionalnost direktno vezanu za taj mit, nego općenito na to kako se Dubrovnik-style nacionalna nejasnost odražavala na njegovom primjeru, ako jest.
Imat ću na umu sve ove BiH-related članke, hvala na linkovima, ali dok dođem do toga možda će proći tjedni i mjeseci, toliko toga ima :)
Onaj video-clip site je prilično smiješan, iako se vidi da reporteri baš ciljaju na neuke seljake, a oni su nerijetko više jadni nego smiješni.
Ajme, još linkova za pročitati. Nikad kraja :) --Joy [shallot] 16:52, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Lastovo
Zašto ne glasaš za FAC Lastovo dok još imaš vremena. Gusto je. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Lastovo Luka Jačov 16:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Samo da te ispravim; 1925 Aleksandar nije bio regent več kralj te kipovi nisu građeni od Pule do Ulcinja več od Sušaka:). Kad čemo na IRC:)? Luka Jačov 17:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Kuc-kuc. Luka Jačov 21:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Jesi za IRC sade? Luka Jačov 18:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
To je vjerovatno Uvouvo. Al čudi me da je odustao od rasprave:-/. Luka Jačov 21:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Dođi na IRC pa ču ti reč. mislim puno je jednostavnije....-) Luka Jačov 00:27, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Kuc-kuc. Luka Jačov 00:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Kuc-kuc. Luka Jačov 16:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
Nemoj raditi kompromise na uštrb istine! ;-). Luka Jačov 22:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Ajd dođi večeras na IRC. Čujemo se! Ja ču od sade bit na IRC-u. Luka Jačov 21:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Barnstar
Thank you for the barnstar. I'm busy these days so I don't have much time for wikipedia. Live Forever 22:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Re:
No problem. Don't hurry with the translations at all, just do any you can when you find time. I will add the image shortly. Antidote 20:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Re:One more thing
I am also looking forward to discussions with you in order to improve articles. I always argue against content, not persons. Still, when I notice what I perceive as mistakes, I will check other contributions of that person to see whether the mistakes appear elsewhere, but it's nothing personal, really. I admire your extensive knowledge of history and hope we can both learn from each other. --Zmaj 07:38, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
IRC
Pa de si??Šta se ne javljaš?:-). Luka Jačov 22:45, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Kuc-kuc, što me ignoriraš:(? Luka Jačov 23:01, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Kuc-kuc! Luka Jačov 01:14, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Pa kade čemo onda na IRC? Luka Jačov 15:52, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Andrić
Will you please revert the article, I'm near 3RR limit. --Dijxtra 15:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
Rudjer
Ako hoces i ako mi nekako das e-mail, mogu da ti posaljem skenove iz knjiga koje detaljno obradjuju Rudjerovo poreklo. Nikola 19:57, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
I couldn't find any good referance for you. But i have an Ottoman Historian friend when i see her online i will ask her for referances. These are my links, a book by Radovan SAMARCIC he said Bosnian and one more link [4] here it is Serbian. I will ask for real referances to my friend. Cheers--Ugur Basak 22:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Nisam vidio source za Milesevu, sorry. Što se tiče Emira, prilično je tvrdoglav i grub, ali se sa Live-om da razgovarati. Probacu jos malo, ali sam malo kratak s vremenom ovih dana. Pozdrav, Duja 08:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Re: Thanks
No problem. Tell me, are you sure that the historian I mentioned actually said what I attributed to him? I'll take a look at the other article - BTW you should archive your talk page; it's really long. --Latinus 21:42, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
- Hi, I've tried something with it - I don't know if it's any good or if anyone'll think it's any good :-/ BTW you told you you are Croatian, but I've seen you described elsewhere as a Serbian nationalist - how's that? --Latinus 22:58, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I did a bad thing - could you keep an eye on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:Emir Arven. --Latinus 17:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Nemoj vise
Ni ti ni Luka. Nisam vama nista uradio da bih to zasluzio od vas. --VKokielov 07:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ja da dodem tebi na talk-page i napisem "HE HE HE HE", a onda moj decko da dode i napise "Vidis a i on se smije." Kako se to osjeca? Kako se to shvata? --VKokielov 17:03, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
O čemu ti to pričaš?! Luka Jačov 20:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Editiranje tuđih stranica nije vandalizam zato ih i svako može editirati,a Vadimovu stranicu ja uopče nijesam dirao. Luka Jačov 21:16, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Mehmed paša
"Е, да ли можеш помоћи на чланку о Мехмед паши Соколовићу? Много смо се упетљали ту, а колико год ја извора ставим - ништа не значи"
Pa kakva ti konkretno pomoć treba? Ne vidim da je u toku neki "revert war" oko članka o Mehmed paši. Ako me pitaš za izvore, nemam o njemu ništa naročito detaljno (bar koliko ja znam). U stvari, možda nešto i imam, ali pošto imam dosta istorijskih knjiga, to prvo treba negde pronaći. Ako nađem nešto, mogu ti javiti. Koji ti konkretno podatak iz njegove biografije treba? PANONIAN (talk) 17:00, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Holy,
Hvala za povjerenje. Pokusat cu da napisem npov clanak cim stignem. Live Forever 17:24, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Bi eventualno, al' bojim se da nemam dosta "edits". Live Forever 17:56, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
E jebi ga, pa ja sam gledao ovo:
a ti misliš na ovo:
Mislim da je najveći problem ovde što postoje dva članka, a što se tiče konkretnog spora, Emira znam odavno i jedini način da se nosiš sa njim je da budeš bezobrazniji i uporniji od njega. Ja nemam vremena i živaca da se sporim sa njim oko tog članka, jer imam trenutno dovoljno problema oko ovih članaka koje nadgledam. PANONIAN (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Pa ako nema druge pomoći traži arbitražu. Nek Emir proba da dokaže da je paša bio Bošnjanin. :) PANONIAN (talk) 22:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Националност
Види, то да смо сви Словени је факт. Меѓутим, исто така је факт да негде у доба просветителства почело је одредено диференцирање Словена (углавно по регионима) и њихови локални говори (језици). Така, у Србији тог периода био је Доситеј Обрадовиќ, Македонији - Јоаким Крчовски, Кирил Пејчиновиќ, у Бугарској - Паисиј Хилендарски (где је доста изразена диференцијација) итд. Али ипак, у суштини ми останујемо Словени. Врло је лошо што си денес ми, Словенске нације, у одреѓени ствари, морамо да признајемо - одмагамо и наштетујемо један на друг. Bomac 14:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Въпрос
Здравей! Казваш ми нещо - какво e мнението на повечето хора в Сърбия за Гърция? --Latinus 15:53, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes I was, do tell me... --Latinus 18:38, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Emir
Yeah, I've had a small dispute with him in the past, on the Pan-Turkism page. I hope you guys can work it out, but do you suggest that I revert his edits until then? Should we protect the page? --Khoikhoi 23:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah me too. I hope he approves of the new version. --Khoikhoi 23:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Vojvodina, Montenegro and Kosovo
Tell me something, I can understand why Kosovo and is autonomous, can suspect why Montenegro is autonomous (they used to be a seperate country), but why is Vojvodina autonomous? How do they differ from the rest of Serbia? --Latinus 22:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Сръбски език
Здрасти! Сръбски лесен език ли е? Аз мисля че може да е добра идея да уча сръбски, защото кога Хърватска, Босна и Сърбия и Черна гора ще станат държави-членки нa ЕС, ще е значителен език. Проблемата е че аз не зная нищо за сръбски. --Latinus 20:46, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Mehmed-pasa
Thanks for the comment. I'll add in the information about him being second vizier, but I'm hesitant about him being beglerbeg of Rumelia because I saw that both a Bosniak and a Serb source disputed that. Live Forever 17:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- Alright, you've convinced me. I'll add the information about Rumelia as soon as I start working on the article again. Live Forever 21:05, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I've waited for my friend to give me a source, but she is busy nowadays and she is interested after 18th cent. Anyway she said, "he can be Serbian". But i searched it in encyclopedia, in dictionnaire larousse's Turkish editon's it says "Sokoloviç adlı Boşnak bir papazın oğluydu" "He was son of a Bosnian priest named Sokolovic". I hope this helps --Ugur Basak 15:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Reply
Zdravo, the problem is that Macedonia is a region which spans four countries, the Republic of Macedonia, Greece, Bulgaria and Albania. Certain Macedonian users have made a portal for the Republic of Macedonia along the lines of Portal:Greece, Portal:Serbia and Montenegro etc. The problem is, that they named their portal Portal:Macedonia and this implies that it is about the whole region, while it is in fact only about the Republic, which accounts for only 40% of the whole region. I proposed to rename it to Portal:Republic of Macedonia so as to avoid the ambiguities and to present a neutral POV. Calling it Portal:Macedonia endorses their claims, which are disputed, even at UN level. All users who have voted/partipated in the debate think that it is a good idea to rename it as I suggest, but the Macedonian users disagree. It's a shame, really, because I'm not proposing to rename it to Portal:FYROM or something like that. I (and so far most Wikipedians seem to) think that my proposal is perfectly reasonable. After all, there is a Portal:People's Republic of China - the full name is sometimes needed in contested areas. --Latinus 16:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)