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I usually reply here for toolserver issues (eg. issues that other people are likely to be interested in), but I may reply on your page for non-toolserver issues. If I leave a note on your talk page, I'll have it in my watchlist, so feel free to reply there.

I'll generally keep comment history as intact as possible, but I reserve the right to ruthlessly reorganize and sometimes refactor comments, to keep the page organized and keep it from growing too quickly.

Legend: Gray or = issue resolved. = outstanding todo item, = outstanding suggestion. = didn't read the red box.

Starting Apr12, toolserver replication for enwiki was completely down, and toolserver data appears to be old. DaBpunkt managed to get replication working again, but 1) it is not replicating quickly enough to keep up with real-time, and 2) there is a bug in the replication, and most data replicated from April 12 on is corrupt, and should not be relied upon. Both issues are being worked on.

Starting Apr12, toolserver replication for enwiki was completely down, and toolserver data appears to be old. DaBpunkt managed to get replication working again, but 1) it is not replicating quickly enough to keep up with real-time, and 2) there is a bug in the replication, and most data replicated from April 12 on is corrupt, and should not be relied upon. Both issues are being worked on.

Toolserver is effectively down

So, last night, there was an architectural change to make en.wikipedia.org faster. As a side effect, the toolserver currently no longer receives replication updates from enwiki. Some admin work on the toolserver will be needed to allow the toolserver to receive updates from enwiki again. Kate (consanguinity on #wikimedia-toolserver) is the primary admin on the toolserver. I'm not personally able to do anything to fix this, though I'll pass along any status updates I get. Note that the kowiki_p, mswiki_p, thwiki_p, and jawiki_p servers have long been in the same position enwiki_p is now in, and a technical solution hasn't been found for those yet, so it's possible that the toolserver will be down for some time, at least for enwiki.

There are various people who may be able to speed resolution of this issue (Wikimedia Deutschland owns the server, and have a final say in what happens on it; the Mediawiki developers, and possibly a few other people, may have some suggestions about possible technical solutions). But it still may be some time before the toolserver is available for enwiki, given how long the asian servers have been unavailable. --Interiot 13:56, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Kind of you to update us Interiot, thanks. Is there any one particular spot (on wiki) that this matter is being discussed? Regards —Encephalon 19:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

I haven't seen much discussion of it. There's a little (and hopefully will be more here, fwiw. --Interiot 20:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Summary/rewrite of posts that were here, now in chronological order: Gmaxwell complained, quit the toolserver, later got root on the toolserver (coincident with becoming a mediawiki dev, I believe). DaBpunkt reported getting replication somewhat working. Current enwiki replication lag shows the data is replicated up to ~April 15th, which means that progress is being made. DaB says there are a few small bugs to be worked out, and that in general, replication is not working fast enough to keep up with real-time yet, so some optimization needs to be done, but it looks hopeful.

(oh, and some other guy complained, and there's an essay over here) --Interiot 01:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

The toolserver is down for a little bit. But in this case, it's... down in a good way. Faster disks are being installed, which should make both commons/dewiki replication faster, as well as enwiki replication faster as well, hopefully. --Interiot 13:33, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Other toolserver stuff

The toolserver was down briefly this morning (US time), but everything should be good now. --Interiot 13:56, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Is there any reason to hope that something will be done to allow your editcount tool to start working again? I very much liked editcount and I imagine a large number of other people did to.

I suppose the most obvious question is who should I point this out to, in order to express a wish that whatever was broken be fixed, rather than just leaving it broken as whoever is to blame seems entirely happy to do at present. Elroch 18:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Per the red box, DaBpunkt is definitely working on it, and has been able to get a possible solution working (and FWIW, was able to get it working faster than I thought they'd be able to). If the new solution can be optimized to replicate things at least as fast a pace as enwiki was being replicated before, then that's about all that there is to do. --Interiot 16:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I hope that this problem would not be a permanent one. 10 days have past and the problem is not solved yet. Is it possible for this major inconvienience to be solved by the end of April? --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 15:30, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm just trying to pass on all information I hear, but I haven't been directly involved in the effort to resolve the problem. If you'd like to get effort estimates, schedule commitments, list of action items, etc, you'll have to talk to the people in #wikimedia-toolserver on IRC, or discuss it directly on DaBpunkt's talk page (he's best at German, but he knows a sufficient amount of English) --Interiot 16:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The tool seems to be running, very slowly. It has only counted about16 of my last 150 or so edits. The Republican 21:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Which replication lag?

In other wikipedias (uk, ru) Interiot tool wrote Replication lag 3 days.--Ahonc (Talk) 11:14, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I had been meaning to fix that. It should now show the replication lag for dewiki/ruwiki/ukwiki, which is much more useful for everyone else. Enwiki users: this does NOT MEAN that enwiki is now fixed. Enwiki's replication lag will always increase at this point, but all the other sites are still replicating, and they'll have a normal replication lag. So it's best if my tool shows their replag. --Interiot 12:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should display a list with the different replication lags to make it clearer. Pegasus1138^{Talk | Contribs | Email} ---- 09:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, for now, the enwiki replication lag is not all that useful... the data stopped replicating on the evening of April 11th, and that's all there is. When enwiki starts being replicated again, it's possible we'd need three different replag indicators (enwiki, asian cluster, all the others), but until it's working, it's kind of speculation what we'll need. --Interiot 11:32, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

your tool (again)

Ok, now the tool is showing a replication lag of only 17 hours (less than it showed earlier) and of course, it isn't updating. Any idea why is the replication lag time screwy? JoshuaZ 03:09, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Replication is catching up for the wikis that are still available on the toolserver. EN is unfortunately no longer one of those. Christopher Parham (talk) 06:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Java editcounter

I'm a bit unavailable right now, so AySz88 is the one to ask for now... sorry. :( Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I think I have the Java working - the jar is temporarily on my computer at http://midnightteamspeak.servegame.com:4040/Wiki%20stats%20proj%20as%20of%20Apr%2013%202006%201%20AM.jar if you want to test it. --AySz88^-^ 05:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have to run (trip to see colleges) but I don't think there's too much work left.... Sorry about the timing.... For now, the directions Wikipedia:WikiProject_edit_counters/Flcelloguy's_Tool#Temporary_quick-start_directions here should work. Thanks. --AySz88^-^ 15:00, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

External hosting / external counters

If it is possible, I'd be willing to host this on my server. This may involve a recode, but I could give you some of my space on shared hosting. Computerjoe's talk 08:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

A resurrected Wikisign would be good, but it still wouldn't be a full toolserver. For all its faults, the toolserver was running on 100% live data sometimes, and that's the really useful part. Other people have inquired into getting live data streamed to their external computer, and making that available publically, but apparently the live stream couldn't be approved yet [1] [2]. --Interiot 08:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I mean an edit count could simply grab Special:Contributions, and then parse it. Computerjoe's talk 09:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, you should hook up with the section above, and with Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters. Yes, they're looking for a stable place to store their .jar file (and for more developers to contribute). --Interiot 09:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

That will lead you to get read block for your IP...that's what happened to Interiots first editcounter.84.56.51.68 09:33, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, my first editcounter wasn't blocked while the toolserver was down, it was blocked shortly after the toolserver came back online. Similarly, external edit counters may be tolerated slightly more while the toolserver has no access to enwiki data. Also, there are a number of projects at Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters that have been semi-tolerated for some time (if for no other reason than that they're often run from multiple different IP addresses, and aren't heavily used). --Interiot 09:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

A question/favour

Regarding your Wikiproject tool, could something similar be done for Portals? How complicated would it be to do? Steve block talk 09:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, that's what you wanted originally. Okay, they're available in the same script now, wikiprojects sorted on top, portals sorted on the bottom. Is there a version of {{inactive}} that's used for Portals? I couldn't find one. Or are you mostly interested in just a comprehensive list of portals? --Interiot 10:08, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. The portals use Category:Portals needing attention as the best fit to {{inactive}}, I guess, there's also Category:Portals under construction but that does something a little different. Mainly I was after the list, so I could scroll through and keep the portal directory up to date. Thanks a lot! Steve block talk 20:09, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, with enwiki not being replicated for the time being (and it's possible that even the older data will be unavailable from the toolserver), there's little point in updating en-specific scripts. --Interiot 20:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

editcount formatting

I think you forgot a </tt> somewhere when updating for enwiki_p. :) æle ✆ 2006-04-12t21:16z

Aha, sankyoo. --Interiot 21:18, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

User edit counter

Hi. Sorry for my english. Could you tell me one thing? Where I can find counter analogical to this for users logged on Wikia. It is exsisting? I'm writing to you becouse I find your account in the counter and I cannot find any info about it on Wikia. Please reply here, I'll check it later. Szoferka 13:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

There are several external (non-toolserver) tools at Wikipedia:WikiProject edit counters. Most of them should work for other mediawiki installations, with little/no modification. --Interiot 13:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Szoferka 15:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Keep your tool available please

Interiot; yes the replication lag is reducing the current value of the tool. However, I am using it to extract historical information. Ref our earlier discussion on how to get it to display # of edits at a point in time. I still have some months of work in that area ahead of me. So, if you would please, keep the tool up even if the replication never comes back, ok? --Durin 20:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Strong strong request to keep the tool up. Its very useful in RfAs and for looking at general patterns of editors and users and many other things. JoshuaZ 20:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

First off... I'm not an admin on the toolserver, I don't really make these decisions. And there are people who are working on getting the toolserver back up for enwiki, so even if we lose the old data, we'll eventually get the new data.

That said... Domas on #wikimedia-tech on IRC says that soon the old enwiki data will be dropped from the main mediawiki cluster. If this change replicates to the toolserver, it will lose its old data. There's a workaround, that will let the toolserver keep the old data, but the current administrator is somewhat inactive lately, so it's not clear that it can be saved in time. I emailed the instructions to Kate. I'll also try to follow up on this, and see if I can get the admin's attention if they're on IRC. Also, DaBPunkt (one of the people from Wikimedia Deutschland who own the server) is trying to obtain root access, so he can do some of this work in case Kate isn't available. (ask in #wikimedia-toolserver if you want... I may not be around this weekend) --Interiot 21:11, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• By all means do all you can to retain the data. It is important. --Durin 21:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

• There's not much I can do, other than drop by #wikimedia-toolserver, and plea for DaB/consanguinity to run the commands I sent them in the email. Feel free to do the same, since I won't be around 24/7, and consanguinity has been hard to contact lately... --Interiot 21:21, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Help with your new counter

Hi, I tried adding your new counter to my monobook, User:Wisden17/monobook.js but I can't seem to get it to work with all the other stuff on my monobook. You couldn't take a quick look and see if you could spot a problem coud you, please? Many thanks --Wisden17 23:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I've got it working now, sorry to bother you. --Wisden17 00:31, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I have been struggling to do installations in my monobook.js and after nearly two dozen tries it still looks a mess. I did not want to waste the time of people working on high-level problems with my idiotic problems, so I was hoping that User:Wisden17 could help me. But he/she cannot. My most recent failure is where I (again) attempted to do an exact copy and paste from the first section of User:Wisden17/monobook.js to User:Benbest/monobook.js, but it still looks a mess. What am I doing wrong? Can somebody please help me? --Ben Best 21:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

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I am having trouble with the counter myself. Is it because I have no idea how to install it? Am I just technologically challenged? Thank you for your time, my Monobook.js file can be found at User:IanManka/monobook.js — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 01:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Turns out, I am technologically challeged, and I figured out my problem, a la Wisden17 (just faster :P) — Ian Manka Talk to me‼ 01:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

All this computer-speak is leaving me as a non-computer geek completely baffled. I know nothing about computer programming and although have been a user on Wikipedia for nearly a year, I can just about barely turn the PC on. Could anyone help me at all with running the edit-counter tool? Preferably without too much downloading.... It's a real shame your tool doesn't work (or doesn't "replicate" I think is the right word) because it used to be so good. It still is, if only it could be updated :'-(
– Jared Preston 07:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Problems with JS tool

Hi, I have installed the edit counter, but when I go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js, and enter my username, it says 'Retrieving Data', but it does not actually retrieve the data, it stays stuck on that page forever. Any suggestions please? - Nick C 10:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

What browser are you using? (Internet Epxlorer, Firefox, Safari...) It will take a little bit of time to run, as it has to download the full contributions list for you, and then process it. Can you wait a little while (2 minutes if on broadband and a modern computer, longer if you're on an older computer or on a modem) to see if some results come? --Interiot 12:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I waited about a minute before trying to close the window (Internet Explorer), but the browser didn't like that at all and my Internet crashed as a result. I would have thought that even with 2.5mb broadband I shouldn't have to wait for more than at most 20 seconds.... – Jared Preston 15:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

It does take some time to download the full text of Special:Contributions, and then it needs to parse the data in your browser, which makes the browser somewhat slow, and the time it takes may vary depending on the speed of the computer. It does sound like it was processing it though, could you let it go for a longer amount of time? (for what it's worth, I think most external edit counters do take more than a minute to run for an account with 2000+ edits) If you're counting an account with 30k+ edits, you may have to wait 5+ minutes, as Wikipedia takes some time to generate the full set of data. --Interiot 15:54, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

:'-( After 10 minutes, still nothing is happening, I only see "Retrieving data..." and I know I only have something between 2000 and 2500 posts. What happens if you try my username? Does it work at all? – Jared Preston 16:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Oooooh, check this out – I tried it again and this time "Retrieving data..." just flashed up and then vanished completely.... Can't see anything now! *LOL* – Jared Preston 16:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

• Okay okay, it acts weird for me too. I'll... see if I can fix this sometime. (if anybody else is interested and knows javascript, it's easy to make a copy of the tool and hack at it, in case anyone wants to add features or whatnot). --Interiot 16:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The js tool only works if you put this in your monobook.js file:

//Back-up edit counter
//Visit [[User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js]] in emergencies!
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' 
    + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js' 
    + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');

It works for me, at least (I just tried it). If it still doesn't work for you, I know js and I can toy with it until it does. --M@thwiz2020 19:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

By the way, Jared, I was able to get your edit count. Here it is: (removed since Jared is able to run it now -Interiot)

I hope adding it to monobook helps! --M@thwiz2020 19:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I have added it to my monobook.js, but it still does not work. I am using Mozilla Firefox. - Nick C 20:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

To Nick: Another problem is that you have to go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js and not http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js . Go to the first site named a press control and F5 at the same time. The page will force a complete refresh, implementing all recent monobook changes. Next, do you see the input box and submit button? If so, click on Tools > Javascript Console in Firefox and then "clear". Then type in your username on the page and click submit and then report to me what the Javascript console said.

To Interiot: The counter works fine when I choose to count my edits or your edits, but it doesn't work for Ligulem. I wonder why. Too many edits, maybe? --M@thwiz2020 22:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, slow down on the huge cut-n-pastes, my talk page gets long enough without them. :)

I tried it on InternetExplorer, and saw some problems. For instance, names with spaces in them should (currently) be run with an underscore instead of a space. Also, if you enter an invalid name, the script isn't really user-friendly, it doesn't tell the user there's a problem. Those should be fixed. There may be some other issues too, as I still didn't quite get Nick's count working on my MSIE. Using Firefox/Opera/anything other than MSIE is generally a good idea, but I'd like to make the counter work for everyone. --Interiot 22:13, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I didn't see this post until now. I must have skipped it. I fixed the space problem (but with spaces, not underscores) and I was just about to bring up the problem with nonexistent users but you beat me to it. When it XML loads the page and checks for matches, how about just returning 0 if there are no matches? Do that before the for loop. As for IE, I can't get any username to work in IE. I'll try to stop cutting and pasting, but it's fun! --M@thwiz2020 22:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, Nick - I fixed it! There was a problem with usernames with spaces (clicking submit replaced the space with a plus sign) but I fixed it. Interiot, if you don't want my changes, feel free to revert them. --M@thwiz2020 22:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Huh, I didn't think others would be able to edit it. Thanks for fixing it. I'm all for others fixing things, but I guess I'll have to keep an eye on it to make sure no bugs are introduced on integration. Wiki-javascript, how thrilling. --Interiot 22:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know there was wiki-javascript until I saw your tool. How neat! Just one quick question - integration with what? --M@thwiz2020 22:21, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Integration as in... Hrm, wikipedia doesn't have a decent article. With more formal processes, there's a build team who's responsible for making sure that only good code gets integrated into the working copy, that random people aren't allowed to make random changes that might cause new bugs. (that's not meant in a negative way... even in large corporations, where employees are generally trusted, there's still a team that tests changes that are being made to the core product) --Interiot 23:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the help everyone, but it still does not work on Firefox, it says 'Warning: Unresponsive Script', and when I press continue, it still pops up with that error message. - Nick C 12:49, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Mathwiz2020! :-) Have I done this right? User:Jared Preston/monobook.js
It still doesn't work for me, you see. Every time I press the submit button it takes about 5-10 seconds before the screen goes blank again. Is this just a problem with Internet Explorer? I only ask because although I don't know anything about computers, many people say IE isn't as good as its rivals and I haven't got the time, money or patience to afford to change. Anyway, we're going in the right direction. Thanks, everyone! :-) – Jared Preston 00:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I use Mozilla Firefox, but when I tried it in IE, it didn't work, either. Maybe you should switch? It's a free download - [3]. --M@thwiz2020 01:10, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm one hell of a sceptic, but it seems good. Can you swap between the two easily enough? And my biggest question of all - does it cause PC's with Windows XP any big problems in downloading a new browser? Jared Preston 01:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

The switch for me was very easy, and it installed fine on XP. It's much safer than IE because it doesn't use ActiveX (which hackers can use to gain access to your computer). Regarding the barn star, thank you! I've always wanted, as I read on someone else's user page, "wiki-bling". And boy was this act random... --M@thwiz2020 01:15, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

If I go to that link and download Firefox, does it install itself or is it a long, drawn-out process? And apart from cons such as the Browser not being able to read Microsoft websites such as msn.com, what are the real problems? Oh, and you're welcome. That Star must be chav-tastic! Jared Preston 01:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It basically installs itself. You just have to click next a few times (all the default options are fine - no spyware or anything is installed) and you're done! You can still go to websites such as msn.com. The only websites you can't go to are those such as Windows Update. Windows Update, in order to install files on your computer, uses ActiveX, which is disabled in Firefox. (A hacker could also install malicious software on your computer using ActiveX which is why Firefox disables it.) Look at Comparison_of_web_browsers. Firefox trumps IE, especially in "browser features" and "vulnerabilities". One excellent Firefox feature is "tabbed browsing" - not only can you have multiple windows open, but you can have tabs within a window! I'm going to bed now (and so should you - it's 1:30 where you live) but if you have more questions, you can ask another Wikipedian (most use Firefox). --M@thwiz2020 01:30, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It's 2:30am here, I'm in British Summer Time. Where are you? You've definitely sold FireFox to me. I shall spend my Easter Sunday consulting and let you know when I've changed. But in the meantime, it would still be nice if Interiot's Cool-Tool would work from any browser. Interiot rocks, and so does his tool! :-D – Jared Preston 01:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot about BST. (I gave you UTC time instead.) I'm in the US, so I'm more familiar with DST (Daylight Savings Time, our BST equivalent, or +1 hour from Apr-Oct). I'll work on finding the faulty code and getting it to work with IE. Until then, Happy Easter! --M@thwiz2020 01:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

You're in the US and you're going to bed now????? Hopefully just for a power nap! And God knows you need it spending all your time trying to help dunces like me. But I do love editing Wikipedia so it's nice to be rewarded with a little editcount every now and then. I don't ask for much in return for my time and *ahem*..... knowledge!!!! *lol* Jared Preston 01:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I first watched the 10:00 news (grr, the only 10:00 news where I live is conservative and I'm a liberal) and then went to sleep early so I could get up early and read the Sunday paper (I typically read the Sunday paper for a minimum of 2 hours every week). As you can tell, I'm not the typical nerd/geek/whatever stereotype you apply to Wikipedia editors. --M@thwiz2020 18:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, thats a nice tool. Btw, how long will it take to be proted to IE7? --soUmyaSch 15:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to do it eventually, but since the toolserver seems like it may be fixed soon, it may not be ported over unless someone else does it. --Interiot 15:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Toolserver

I am thinking about trying to stir up support for a toolserver we can count on, colocated with the main server cluster. I think there are a lot of reasons for this, the most general being a system like that, with low barriers to entry (as opposed to code changes in mediawiki) and relatively little or no threat to the database is a better system in principle than changes to the code. More people and lower barriers mean more responsive change and tools that suit the needs of sub-communities within the larger wikipedia community. Also, I think as usage increases handling some aspects of wikipedia cannot be done in a pure wiki environment. Images and the prod system are excellent examples.

I was wondering about your thoughts on this, I don't want to rush into anything, but even if it comes to fund raising, I can't imagine it would be that hard to raise the money for one box. - cohesion 22:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I generally agree with you, yes... having a real-time box that people can run experimental queries on would be a very good thing. I think the issues with the current toolserver are more management issues, and less technical or funding. The machine that's there now is technically pretty capable. But the current admin is relatively inactive. I have some ideas about possible solutions that would be agreeable to everyone involved, but I haven't brought them up yet.

FWIW, the reason the toolserver has been unstable lately, is because MediaWiki code and architecture is changing, to make wikipedia faster for everyone. That's not a bad thing, we just need toolserver admins who are active enough to make the corresponding changes on the toolserver to keep up with the mediawiki changes. That's all. --Interiot 23:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Do you think, in the current context, that those political issues are easier to fix than it would be to get a new toolserver more under the control of the same people doing the en:wiki changes? I don't really know, but I think there is the possibility that while the issues are mainly political they could still be very difficult to overcome. - cohesion 23:48, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it political really, AFAIK nobody is trying to thwart anything, or doing anything to outright hold up progress. The admin position is an unpaid, voluntary job, and the current primary admin has other real-life things to do, and that's fine, since it's a voluntary position. There should just be provision for alternate admins, or others to be able to step in and help when needed (eg. Gmaxwell has volunteered many, many times). My guess is that it's easier to fix these management issues, but I haven't looked into it much to see if these are issues that really can be resolved or not. Gmaxwell has given up, fwiw, but I'm still optimistic. --Interiot

I was bold and started a page for a more centralized discusson Wikipedia:Toolserver. I have talked to a few other people but the discussion on this page is the longest. I think we probably should have a better place to talk though, hope no one yells at me too much. I hope you can comment on there as you obviously know a lot about the situation, I'm just trying to act as a catalyst :) - cohesion 01:04, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'd call this a hopeful sign of progress. DaB is working on a replication tool, and Gmaxwell sounds like he knows what he's doing in general, so hopefully the technical issues can be tackled now, instead of wrestling with managerial issues. --Interiot 11:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, very good news, I still like the idea of a centralized area for listing the uses on enwiki, but a lot of my whining probably isn't necessary anymore :) Also, when I said political, I didn't mean to imply someone was actively being malevolent, just that there might be inefficiencies politically rather than technically :) Talk to you later. - cohesion 18:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

If we hold a funding drive, I bet all the wikipediholics with editcountitis would raise thousands! Some people (me) are that addicted... --M@thwiz2020 23:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

My edits

Interiot, I'm really confused about how you can find out edits on your own. So do you think you could find out my edits and stuff? (Note: my username is Icelandic Hurricane, there is no #12) Icelandic Hurricane #12 13:43, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Interiot, I'm sorry to cut and paste, but I have to. Icelandic, here's your edit count: In the future, just go to User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js and type in your username. --M@thwiz2020 18:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

(edit-count dump moved to User talk:Icelandic Hurricane). --Interiot 12:13, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Editcount - wrong link

If you browse the commons statistics, and you click on "browse" to show a gallery of all upload pictures, a wrong syntax for Daniels tool is used. F.E. [4] should be [5]. -- Amtiss, SNAFU ? 14:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Done. --Interiot 14:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

2 points to editcounter

Hi. I use the edit counter from time to time. But there is no possibility to find cs.wikisource (which is quite new, I know), and I also do not know how to count my edits on the multiligual wikisource.org. Can you help? Answer here, it is OK, thanks, -jkb- 16:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

For multilingual, would sourceswiki_p work? For cs.wikisource, that will probably be showing up in a few days. --Interiot 17:13, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Great. Sourceswiki works there, as I see. And I can surely wait some days for cs.source... :-) - many thanks and happy Easter, ---jkb- 17:18, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

For what it's worth, you can change the URL to use cswikisource_p now [6], even though it doesn't currently show up in the list. (I don't control the list currently). --Interiot 17:21, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Tool 2

HI Interiot. I need some help with your second tool setup. It would seem I entered the code in my monobook to view my edit count and then I went to User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js and typed my name in to see my edit count but all it says it "Retrieving data..." and then nothing. Can you help? Moe ε 19:59, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Firefox or IE? The counter doesn't seem to work in the latter. --M@thwiz2020 20:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

IE. So it won't work at all? Darn, could someone pull it up for me? Moe ε 03:42, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I've now downloaded Firefox and the edit-counter seems to work, but whenever I try to count your edits, Moe, it doesn't work. Maybe you have too many? Anyway, I wonder why the counter doesn't work in IE *scratches head* Jared Preston 08:07, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it doesn't do so well for 15k+ edits. Firefox popped up the "script has been running for a long time, do you want to kill it?" box several times. Maybe some other tool would be more preferable for extremely heavy users. --Interiot 12:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

That happened to me as well, as last time I checked with your other counter (the one that uses tool server) I have 2000+ edits. - Nick C 12:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that, for someone with ~7000 edits, the "do you want to stop this script" pops up only once. But for someone with 10000+ edits, it popups up incessantly and the script doesn't seem to work at all. --M@thwiz2020 13:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Does this tool have repication lag? - Nick C 18:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

It is as up-to-date as Special:Contributions (which I believe is real-time) because the tool actually goes to your contribs and reads the data. (That's also why it doesn't work for people with 7500+ edits - it overloads your browser loading all the contrib pages and harvesting the raw HTML.) --M@thwiz2020 19:05, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

The edit counter

Is it functional now? It has not updated my edits for what seems to be at least a week. Is there something I should do to help it update? Thanks in advance, Kukini 00:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Please see User:Interiot/Tool2 for detailed instructions. --M@thwiz2020 00:55, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Cripes, one wonders how others get to the talk page but I do, when I'm the one with a message indicator. Anyway, my original response:

Send money to my secret PO box, send lots of money. No, I don't know that there's much you can do, unless you're a whiz with MySQL administration. --Interiot 00:59, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I know a programmer who deals my MySQL daily for her job. But, she doesn't use Wikipedia...

What I did was I travelled at the speed of light, thereby freezing time for me, which gave me the ability to see your message, create a new page, and then, only after writing an entire how-to guide, respond, all before you did. Speaking of which, you should read the notice at the top of my user page - it's quite amusing. --M@thwiz2020 01:03, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good, Bob. --Interiot 01:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I didn't mean the part about my name not being Bob (it's not, I swear!) and I didn't mean the three quotes - well, I kind of did. I meant the blue box at the top about my quasi-wikibreak (which, incidentally, is the third quote on the list, but I recommend reading it at the top instead). I'm a math whiz, but I have science humor. --M@thwiz2020 01:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Why'd you remove the notice? It'll save a lot of time (for me) answering all your messages. --M@thwiz2020 01:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Precisely. It's my talk page, and I prefer to get some editing done without having the message indicator popping up incessantly, without people carrying on longish conversations that I'm not part of, and without another person starting to almost edit my talk page more than I do. I certainly appreciate the help with the code, etc, but if it's going to be a community thing, maybe the conversation should be centralized somewhere other than my talk page. And it's not like I've had problems answering the questions before. Anyway, my toolserver counter (where I presume most people stumble across the javascript counter) points to your intro page now. (I didn't intend to obscure the link to the page, but christ, I'm used to being the one who decides what gets posted to the very top of my talk page) --Interiot 02:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, y'all, but the above left me a tad confused. Is the counter as I am using it on my user page broken? Kukini 03:15, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

OK...I see, it is down...I just read above. Sorry to bug ya. Kukini 03:18, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I was just trying to help. I thought that, with the notice, people would stop bugging you as much, but now that you changed the link to point to the intro, it's better now. I'll stop replying on your talk page so often, too. --M@thwiz2020 23:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi There—Want to be a HERO?

or Three semi- tools (URL capabilities or click boxes for edits) I'd really love to see

Hi (again)!

Want to be a hero?

• IMHO, to thousands!!!
  

1. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mel_Etitis#Found_a_workable_solution ... and the subsection immediately above. I was assuming you were still away!
2. Would be really useful for short posts to NOT add a section, but just 'Append' an user talk page. ('&section=last')
   1. For Messages generally like: OK-I've posted a new point on Talk: Any Article of Interest ~~~~
   2. I'd described a 'click box' similar to the '+' box (to someone this past month) on the default skin for same, thus hypothesizing a '+append bottom' and '+newSection' edit URL launch. What do you think. Seems technically fairly simple as one techy to another. Am I right this might just be a script 'upgrade', or will system software be involved?
3. Also would like to see a '&edit:section=top' or some equivilent suffix one can easily type onto a page's URL to launch such an edit coresponding to just the introduction section (&section=0') on long article pages... I seem to be doing a lot of that to upgrade into compliance with WP:MOS recapp the article standards. Perhaps this would be better by presenting every page with an automatic edit click box?
   1. It's pretty cumbersome to have to click the next section down, then copy the url, backspace into the original page (Avoidable if editing only forward, but I stack edits a lot, so I need to backspace a lot— (which was iirc now, the subject of my prior post to you), I'd forgotten! Do I get points for consistancy of need? <G>) — ...paste in the URL indexing 'section=1', modify the section index to say '&section=0' then hit return (or GO)
   2. All of which Assumes my cut buffer (i.e. windows clipboard) can be sacraficed (which normally is NOT the case), and doesn't contain some source text or links that I want to modify and adapt in the page now being upgraded.
   3. As you can see, I have some wideranging need— and this doesn't count some rather unforunately lost 'stacks of edits' these last several weeks when the Firefox browser just closed out on me unexpectedly— some hotkey I inadvertantly press, or perhaps a CRTL+ALT combo... I haven't pinned it down, but I seem to be miskeying reaching for 'CTRL-F'. Or perhaps I'm instead hitting CTRL-G or CTRL-ALT-V. If I find out, I'll block it in a heartbeat!
4. I've just had to cease using Firefox for 'editing efforts' it and so now use only for reference pages, talk, wtachlist, etc.! I can't afford to do the same edits over and over and over! Can anyone?

If there is a better place or way to request these minor tools/extensions, please advise on my talk or email ASAP! Thanks.

Best regards, and nice to visit you again!...

I guess I better check above to see if you gave an answer my last! (One of bigger problems with '+' mode is inability to 'look above' so and check!) FrankB 09:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Returning to my prior Query, now archived

Aside-I've already completed the post for the next section -- i.e. a template solution? But since I went to check the prior query re: Your answer: User_talk:Interiot/archive2#Long Bomb (Hail Mary Pass) ...
Yes, but is disruptive, potentially confusing, and if it's so darn easy, why didn't you answer on my talk, or other folks like Tony Sidaway, etc. who essentially never do. Besides, I just started using a Tabbed browser (Some of us are Polish, thus dense! <G> As well as being one of the old folks not into a web-based culture, save perhaps now in this community. I'm primarily a hardware guy, and the web is just a minor tool to me used perhaps once a week excepting daily email, if that— at least before WikiP— but even old farts learn slowly. But That new tabbing capable browser's had it's own perils... see below on India example.)

I'm lucky to have time to look at once, much less police my watchlist more than once or twice any given week, much less several times an 'edit night'— if I did that, I have no time to ADD to WikiP, which is my hot button. Moreover, the essential part of the prior question was:

No! Not for the RUDE arogant SOB, but for the many editors that follows a link from one preview window, sees a need of another edit, makes that, follows a link from the new preview2 window, follows that finds another problem and so opens an edit-Nth window... Eventually we've got to save each final 'preview', and backspacing too far is very easy indeed! and can be disorienting to the point of confusion.

I've lost big significant edits that way, same deal with second browser pages being open– it gets confusing as to what is 'done' and what still needs saved, and where that what is! Especially if you're also involved in more urgent interactive activities like mediating edit wars and the like while also trying to be productive on your own projects.

I do that sort of editing all the time, and it IS a real pain (intense, have to stay very focused) trying to figure whether you've backed the right number of windows to the last 'unsaved' first or or some other earlier edit. Not to mention the intervening N-1, N-2,..., with (again the key factor) probably multiple previews.

Consider: The general demography of the typical editor here seems to be 25-30 years younger, which is to say far less widely read in history, so they miss connections that are crystalized knowledge to me, a lifelong history buff and avid reader. This is also generally true of many tech articles where I also patrol and contribute a lot of adds.

• e.g. There is an article on French India, One on India, one on the Seven Years War, another on Napoleon's expedition to the Suez and the battle of the Nile, another on the fourth Anglo-Dutch war (Am. revolution triggered), yet none of those explain the very simple fact that the Strong British Empire we all know about Came to be because of the historical linkage between the thing not explained in any of them (this was a bad lost edit thanks to tabbed brower— call it six man-hours lost made during an all-nighter —I'm 51, pulling an 'All-nighter' is rather tough on the old carcass!)

The missing facts are, to wit, that most of the French Empire (numerically and financially stronger, equal in 'high tech', the best armed, most populous country in europe, etc.) was shattered and became p/o the British as part of the Naval Battles between France and Britain, which were part of the Seven Years Wars, though a few of the 'French and Indian Wars' (4) also lead to an erosion of French Sea Power. Thus 25+ years years later, the French revolutionary government sent Napoleon in 1798 to Egypt who's primary strategic aim was trying to re-establish the French in a strong position viz the dominent British Sea Power so they could take back the lucretive silk and spice trade that was making Britian even more strong... So strong, that India became called The Crown Jewel of the British Empire. Take away the aquisition of India, and the World would speak a lot of French! To this day, the French Navy still hasn't regained parity of force to the UK. They came close in WW-I, but never closed the gap, in material nor in men. The French had better ships — the British had 'Iron Men'

Thus, being able to connect such, is where I try to spend most my WikiTime. I trust you'll agree that sort of 'historical glue' is rather interesting and important! I say this not to blow my own horn, but because I have been wounded by trying to open other window, tabs, etc. to the point of getting confused, closing the wrong browser, forgetting an edit is in that browser, or worse, having the whole lot suddenly crash because I'm using too many system resources locally.

I've reformed my practices a lot in the past three weeks, but I will not edit in a tabbed browser save for minor edits. I've been burned close to a man-week between Firefox and Netscape. That tabbing is fine for monitoring stuff, but that's all I'm going to use them for henceforth. Besides neither searches into an edit window to find typos and bad links in long articles which really slows things up at times when the article is 10+ kbytes and longer.

None of this addresses the 'Stack Popping' concept technical feasibility, which is where this section began and now ends. CLOSURE! <G> Now you can see why it is of more than minor interest to me, however careful I'll be going forward to not stack edits more than three deep and to save more often in general (My new 'co-partial solutions') ... may as well let the edit count build some! I just don't like junking up the history record but that attitude is giving way to time realities like these.

So, returning to the technical issue: is something like that stack popping do-able? Best! FrankB 09:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Related Thought—Productivity Tool#4 Suggestion

Hmmmmm, perhaps you can automate the short genre messages like "See my answer on my Talk", like (conjecturally)

... perhaps as a template that auto-appends and also auto-subst's the indicated message on both talks. Another good thought here! I don't know enough about scripts or templates to know, but like:

{{Templatename | 'Routing (always a user talk)' | 'Brief message text' }} <--stub--> {{ SeeMyTalk | fabartus | Expand && subst 'to Brief message text' and append both talk pages }} or some such Quick and dirty and easy to write thing. T'would be nice to have a second version that puts 'Brief text message' into the summary at the same time.

Thus the 'old guard' used to (wikiP==small), wouldn't have to leave one's own edit page to be courteous!

Assuming such can be done! That would really handy and be nice! DO you give green stamps along with listening to wish lists, Santa? FrankB 09:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I like Napoleon. --Interiot 10:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC) (So did Josephine!!! <G>)

• Belated apologies on this post- I saved it just a moment before second thinking the clutter it causes 4U — Chaulk up too yet another 'All NIghter' trying to play catch up! Best regards, FrankB 17:33, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

• Whichever. If you can write an initial, basic question or statement in only two sentences, I'd be happy to respond. Otherwise I'm not sure that a normal person would be expected to try to parse the entire 1719-word question. --Interiot 17:40, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Discrimination in edit counts

Hi Interiot , when i use this link: Edit counts it shows my edit counts as 101 and it has got stuck to this number only for many days now. but when i use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js?username=amit_jain_online, this link it dispalys the actual counts , i just want to ask how can i fix it --Amit jain online

There's nothing you can do for now, other than use the Tool2/code.js. de:Benutzer:DaB. believes he has a fix that may be available soon. --Interiot 22:04, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I believe I have a similar problem - my edit count has been stuck at 9705 ever since early this week. The replication lag went from 2 days to 6 seconds without updating my count. I think I've made more than 300 edits in the interim - please see what you can do. Thanks, Rama's Arrow 00:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Please see the top few paragraphs on this page. The replication is for dewiki, which is replicating. Enwiki is not replicating. (actually, it's briefly replicating, but I don't konw if it's fully working yet). --Interiot 00:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Flcelloguy's Tool

You may be interested in that we got a SourceForge account for the Tool, accessible here. Right now, it seems the CVS server has a replication lag (ah, sounds familiar), but the JAR file is publicly available now. Want to take it out for a test drive? Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit Counts

The statistics don't seem to be changing since last week. (Reply at my talk page) Ω Anonymous anonymous Ψ: ''Have A Nice Day'' 22:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

ok Ω Anonymous anonymous Ψ: ''Have A Nice Day'' 22:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Mine has been at 1408 for 1 1/2 weeks...HurricaneCraze32 22:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Why do you read each other's comments, but not mine at the top?

(FWIW, I've tried to figure out how to always force a blurb to show up at the bottom of the talk page, but I haven't figured out how to do it yet... if mediawiki supported <tfoot>, I could do it). --Interiot 22:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I know it's possible, you may want to look at El C's talk page. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 22:53, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think the Poetry at the bottom of the page was added on manually and not an automatic footer (If that's what you're referring to as the method). I used the same ending outline for a test on my talk page and it didn't seem to work--new text entered when I used the edit+ button was still added below.—G.He_(Talk!) 23:12, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. If people hit the "+" button, it sticks it at the bottom, and then ElC has to manually move it back up. However, with tfoot, the blurb that appears at the bottom is actually internally located at the top of the wikitext, so hitting "+" would never mess it up. Anyone think that would convince the devs? --Interiot 23:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, frump me. This works in Firefox, but not MSIE. Gee, would could have seen that coming. --Interiot 18:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Celestianpower has a floating image at the bottom of his user page. Maybe you can tweak the code to allow for text, instead. --M@thwiz2020 19:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see the floating image you're refering to... am I missing something? Are you seeing it in IE/Firefox? On main page or talk? --Interiot 21:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

It's in Firefox on his main page. There's a floating Esperanza logo in the bottom right. All he does is include another page with the code. That page (and the code that generates it) are at User:Celestianpower/Float. --M@thwiz2020 22:42, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see, I see. 'Course, it doesn't work in MSIE6 (which this technique does, at least), let alone MSIE5. If IE would just fall over and die right now, I think I'd be able to live a much happier life. --Interiot 22:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Use both methods. Then, everyone will be able to view it! Or, because the edit counter doesn't work in IE, just only use the Firefox method and persuade all IE users to switch. --M@thwiz2020 22:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

No, I basically used the method described here. And voila, it looks like it's working, at least on the browsers I tested it on so far. It aint the least bit pretty though, thanks to MSIE. --Interiot 23:54, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

About the Subaru article

About the Subaru article, I understand your point and the guide you mentioned... but I was wondering what can be done about getting wikipedians to voluntarily acknowledge they drive Subarus? It's just out of curiosity...

And thanks once again for the "wrist-slap"... now that I know the guidelines I won't do that again! --ric_man 23:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I see your point on how the wiki shouldn't be referencing a handful of wiki users / editors. I don't think the discussion tab for Subaru is a useful place to put it, as I was always lead to believe that was for discussing things that happened to the article. I'll leave it as it is, and let people find out about it "organically".

Btw. since you're an admin, can you delete a page for me? I stuffed up when I was adding a category to the user template thingy, and now there's a stupidly named category being Category:Wikipedians who own Subaru a vehicle. They don't hand out "dumb-arse for typos" awards here do they? --ric_man 01:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all that, and thanks for the tips about the templates... didn't know how to flag down admins to delete pages... --ric_man 02:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

StubSense

Hi Interiot. We all know you are good at programming, but this one really impressed me. Thumbs up! I don't quite understand why you wrote that this tool should only be used on non-stub categories? I did a few test runs looking for potential child categories, and the tool seemed to work fine [7] (except that it doesn't show the template for the {{UN-stub}} correctly - bottom right - but this seems to be the exception that proves the rule.) I was hoping to use the tool looking for double stubbed articles (e.g. work through Category:African politician stubs and see how many are double stubbed with {{Nigeria-bio-stub}}. It seems to work fine for this purpose. Best regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 11:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, you're right. No, it's not really specific to non-stub categories, that's just the way I explained it on that page. It's good you're thinking outside the box.  :) Yes, I have to fix the bug sometime, that it's sometimes not finding template tags. For what it's worth (since you're thinking outside the box), the tool was inspired by, and operates very similar to, some other tools. See, I'm not so impressive. (though the new toolserver/tags list thing is all mine, you can say I'm brilliant for that :) --Interiot 12:19, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, it should be a little more polished now. --Interiot 19:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

this diff

Just to confirm (see the diff references in the subject), the students in the Schuykill valley are.... delicious? --Bachrach44 15:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Hehe. It was so NPOV and over-the-top, it just needed a tiny push to send it over the edge... Anyway, I reverted it and expanded the article a bit for penance. --Interiot 21:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Your Edit Counter Code

I was wondering if your edit counter code would work for Wikia. If it's possible, and I'm allowed use it, could you tell me how to make it work? Thanks.—G.He_(Talk!) 01:51, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The code is GPL'd, and if you have a DB connection, and you can make it work, have at it... --Interiot 02:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/count_edits?code

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/perllib/ZedlerUtils.pm

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/user24?code

http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/queries/user7?code

So where does all this need to go? I'm not really professional at this and I'm not sure what the database connection is. (I'm trying to see if it would work for Wikia because it would be great to include it in the Inheritance Trilogy Wiki in which I'm also working on. I'm not the admin, though.) BTW, it the previous links for the code of the editcounter that's just getting fixed or is it your javascript one? Seems to be the old editcounter..Would your Javascript one be easier to install or is it just as complicated (or simple--depends on how you look at it)?—G.He_(Talk!) 02:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

If you install it on an english server, it should be relatively easy to install the JS version, just follow the instructions here. --Interiot 03:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I see, but where should I copy the base code to? It just says: "copy this script to the target server (this is required because of javascript cross-site security restrictions)", but to where on the server? Is there a specific file or something?—G. Or is it just a .js page?—G.He_(Talk!) 03:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, just stick it anywhere as a .js. It eventually gets loaded by the monobook.js.... as long as the script is somewhere on the same server as the monobook.js, it doens't matter what it's named. Also, I'm on IRC, if you want to discuss this in real-time... --Interiot 03:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try the script out. As for IRC, how do you use it? Do you have to register or something?—G.He_(Talk!) 03:29, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Does the code load immediately or does it take a while?—G.He_(Talk!) 03:47, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not so efficient on edit counts larger than 10k. It may take some time to run, as it has to download the full contributions list. Though, it can also fail silently. It's best to run it under Firefox, and if it pops up a "script is running for a long time, do you want to stop it?" message constantly, then it's still working. If it doesn't do anyhting at all for a while, it's not working. Sorry, it's sort of a provisional/not-fully-developed script. --Interiot 16:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

The problem is that the "form" doesn't even load. Can you tell me what's wrong with [8] and [9]?—G.He_(Talk!) 21:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Minor comment

So happy to have your tool back. Minor suggestion: you may want to remove the "Replication lag is currently" display since its not-functioning(and I suspect cannot function given the new replication method). JoshuaZ 16:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

See User:Interiot/FAQ#Which_replication_lag.3F. --Interiot 16:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

A tweak on IT2 installation

When installing it my monobook, I wrapped it into an if:

if (document.title.indexOf('User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js') != -1) {
  document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' 
    + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js' 
    + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>');
}

This avoids downloading the file unless necessary and thus reduces bandwidth consumption (or at least spares one more connection just to get the "not modified" response) and goes easy on the browser (no need to process more JavaScript when not needed). Thought you might want to add it to installation instructions... Cheers, Misza13 ^{T C} 21:36, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Edit count discrepency

When I look for my edit counts here, I get an edit count of 573. But when I use the javascript tool it shows up as 752. If it helps, I used this code for my monobook:

//Interiot's javascript edit counter if (document.title.indexOf('User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js') != -1) {

 document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="' 
   + 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Interiot/Tool2/code.js' 
   + '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s"></script>'); }

Is there any reason why such a discrepency in number should occur?--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 02:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Toolserver is outdated. People are working on it. (see bottom of page) --AySz88^-^ 02:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I doubt I've made 200 edits in 10 days.--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 02:41, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

200 edits ago was April 12th, which was 10 days ago. --Interiot 03:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow. I didn't think I did that much. OK, sorry, my bad. Great job with the tool, by the way.--The ikiroid (talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 14:00, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

JS Edit Counter

I see that your Javascript edit counter does not include all of the sections (Ie Move). Is it possible to update the sections to match the curretly replicating counter?—G.He_(Talk!) 03:21, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Moves are something extra that was added on my most developed edit counter. It's extra functionality that could be added to the javascript by anyone, but it would take some work to do. I may not be the one to do it, since I mostly focus on toolserver development since that's the fastest and most accessible platform. --Interiot 18:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

The slow replication lag

Hello Interiot. I saw that the replication lag is steadily picking up (maybe about 4 replication seconds per one real life second). I guesstimated a time. At the current rate it is heading the replication lag will catch up to this point in time in 1 day 15 hours 6.5 minutes. Moe ε 14:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Err, maybe my math is a little off. ;-) Moe ε 14:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Aha, de:Benutzer:LeonWeber is actually graphing the enwiki replag. [10] It looks like the replag is pretty variable, probably partly because there's less data to process when it's replicating a nighttime, and more to process when it's replicating daytime. In general it looks like it's going up though. :( --Interiot 14:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikia

Hello Interiot. Can you tell me what's wrong with [11] and [12]? The JS doesn't seem to be functioning. Thanks.—G.He 16:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

In your monobook.js file, change "http://inheritance.wikia.com/wiki/User:GHe/editcount.js" to "http://inheritance.wikia.com/index.php?title=User:GHe/editcount.js". --M@thwiz2020 18:14, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. It's better, but for some reason, nothing happens when I enter in the User Name... Well, guess I better play with it a bit more to find the problem... or maybe it just doesn't load properly for the Wiki...—G.He 19:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

I should be the one saying thank you - you've kept me from suffering editcountits-unavavailability syndrome (and its associated withdrawal symptoms). As for your tool, can you move it to the project namespace (like Flcelloguy's)? --M@thwiz2020 18:29, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

After tinkering with the script for a while, I found that:

1. The script works find in IE counting the edits
2. The problem lies somewhere in function add_stats_row or function output_main_report

I also somehow manage to lock myself out of my account, but that's all fixed now. I might be a "math wiz," but I sure lack common sense. --M@thwiz2020 21:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I wrote this wiki-js to test if appendChild/createElement/the add_stats_row function works in IE. However, in doing so, I accidentally removed the part of the script which only implements it if it's the correct page. Now, for some reason, the window.onload event handler only works on the "edit" page (in this test, the onload alert only popped up on the edit page, not the main script page) so, when I went to the script page, I saw the code. But when I went to edit the page, the edit box was replaced by "Testing 123". I tried it in IE. While the "Testing 123" didn't come up, it simply erased the edit box and the whole page and put nothing in its place (kind of like when your edit counter finishes in IE). So, I thought, I could either blank the code.js file or remove it from my monobook. So I, not knowing that only admins can change js files of other users, decided to create a sock and edit it from there. Well, my sock was blocked while I was writing an explanation on my user page not to block it. My IP was also blocked. Well, when I went to my regular account to unblock the IP, that, too, was replaced by the testing notice (the testing notice doesn't replace regular pages, only their edit pages, but it does replace special pages). So I couldn't unblock my IP, and I couldn't edit from my regular account, my new sock, or anonymously. I put an unblock notice on my sock's talk page and e-mailed Martin. After about one hour, Tawker saw my unblock request and blanked my monobook. One minute later, Martin blanked the code.js file. I then was able to unblock my IP address and sort the mess out. Phew! --M@thwiz2020 21:54, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Original Barnstar I hereby award this barnstar to Interiot, for his creation of StubSense, in appreciation of the many hours of work, this tool will save me and other stub sorters. Valentinian (talk) 21:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I know you said that this tool was no big deal. That may be, but you can be sure it will save loads of very tiring work for me and other members of WP:WSS. I've been looking for a tool like this for a long time, and the new "list" feature just capped it off. Valentinian ^(talk) 21:57, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

:) Thanks. And I agree, Category:Stubs is actually starting to seem like fun now. I may well inadvertantly become a stub sorting regular because of the tool. --Interiot 22:10, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, stub sorting is actually a lot of fun. :) It is also a great way to learn something about new topics. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:30, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank You!

The edit counter seems to work now! Thanks for the code and all you help!! :D—G.He 03:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Spanish stubs

Hi again Interiot. I saw your new stub tool, and thought it might be useful on the Spnaish wikipedia. I was one of the people there who set up the stub sorting operation, so I know how the categorization scheme works. What exactly do you need to be able to build in the functionality? For the most part the category scheme is pretty simple, for example:

• es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo
  • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía
    • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía de Europa
      • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía de España
        • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía del País Vasco
          • es:Categoría:Wikipedia:Esbozo geografía de Álava

The full list is at es:Wikiproyecto:Esbozos/Lista. Let me know if I can help out at all. --Spangineer^[es] (háblame) 21:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)