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Here, we determine which articles are to be featured articles (FAs). FAs exemplify Wikipedia's very best work and satisfy the FA criteria. All editors are welcome to review nominations; please see the review FAQ.

Before nominating an article, nominators may wish to receive feedback by listing it at Peer review and adding the review to the FAC peer review sidebar. Editors considering their first nomination, and any subsequent nomination before their first FA promotion, are strongly advised to seek the involvement of a mentor, to assist in the preparation and processing of the nomination. Nominators must be sufficiently familiar with the subject matter and sources to deal with objections during the featured article candidates (FAC) process. Nominators who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it. Nominators are expected to respond positively to constructive criticism and to make efforts to address objections promptly. An article should not be on Featured article candidates and Peer review or Good article nominations at the same time.

The FAC coordinators—Ian Rose, Gog the Mild, David Fuchs and FrB.TG—determine the timing of the process for each nomination. For a nomination to be promoted to FA status, consensus must be reached that it meets the criteria. Consensus is built among reviewers and nominators; the coordinators determine whether there is consensus. A nomination will be removed from the list and archived if, in the judgment of the coordinators:

  • actionable objections have not been resolved;
  • consensus for promotion has not been reached;
  • insufficient information has been provided by reviewers to judge whether the criteria have been met; or
  • a nomination is unprepared.

It is assumed that all nominations have good qualities; this is why the main thrust of the process is to generate and resolve critical comments in relation to the criteria, and why such resolution is given considerably more weight than declarations of support.

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Nominating

How to nominate an article

Nomination procedure

  1. Before nominating an article, ensure that it meets all of the FA criteria and that peer reviews are closed and archived.
  2. Place {{subst:FAC}} at the top of the talk page of the nominated article and save the page.
  3. From the FAC template, click on the red "initiate the nomination" link or the blue "leave comments" link. You will see pre-loaded information; leave that text. If you are unsure how to complete a nomination, please post to the FAC talk page for assistance.
  4. Below the preloaded title, complete the nomination page, sign with ~~~~, and save the page.
  5. Copy this text: {{Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/name of nominated article/archiveNumber}} (substituting Number), and edit this page (i.e., the page you are reading at the moment), pasting the template at the top of the list of candidates. Replace "name of ..." with the name of your nomination. This will transclude the nomination into this page. In the event that the title of the nomination page differs from this format, use the page's title instead.

Commenting, etc

Commenting, supporting and opposing

Supporting and opposing

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  • To respond to a nomination, click the "Edit" link to the right of the article nomination (not the "Edit this page" link for the whole FAC page). All editors are welcome to review nominations; see the review FAQ for an overview of the review process.
  • To support a nomination, write *'''Support''', followed by your reason(s), which should be based on a full reading of the text. If you have been a significant contributor to the article before its nomination, please indicate this. A reviewer who specializes in certain areas of the FA criteria should indicate whether the support is applicable to all of the criteria.
  • To oppose a nomination, write *'''Object''' or *'''Oppose''', followed by your reason(s). Each objection must provide a specific rationale that can be addressed. If nothing can be done in principle to address the objection, a coordinator may disregard it. References on style and grammar do not always agree; if a contributor cites support for a certain style in a standard reference work or other authoritative source, reviewers should consider accepting it. Reviewers who object are strongly encouraged to return after a few days to check whether their objection has been addressed. To withdraw the objection, strike it out (with <s> ... </s>) rather than removing it. Alternatively, reviewers may transfer lengthy, resolved commentary to the FAC archive talk page, leaving a link in a note on the FAC archive.
  • To provide constructive input on a nomination without specifically supporting or objecting, write *'''Comment''' followed by your advice.
  • For ease of editing, a reviewer who enters lengthy commentary may create a neutral fourth-level subsection, named either ==== Review by EditorX ==== or ==== Comments by EditorX ==== (do not use third-level or higher section headers). Please do not create subsections for short statements of support or opposition—for these a simple *'''Support''',*'''Oppose''', or *'''Comment''' followed by your statement of opinion, is sufficient. Please do not use a semicolon to bold a subheading; this creates accessibility problems. Specifically, a semi-colon creates an HTML description list with a description term list item. As a result, assistive technology is unable to identify the text in question as a heading and thus provide navigation to it, and screen readers will make extra list start/item/end announcements.
  • If a nominator feels that an Oppose has been addressed, they should say so, either after the reviewer's signature, or by interspersing their responses in the list provided by the reviewer. Per talk page guidelines, nominators should not cap, alter, strike, or add graphics to comments from other editors. If a nominator finds that an opposing reviewer is not returning to the nomination page to revisit improvements, this should be noted on the nomination page, with a diff to the reviewer's talk page showing the request to reconsider.


Featured article (FA) tools

Add new nominations on top, one section per nomination.

Nominated articles

Cat

To my ignorant eyes, this looks like an excellent, thorough article. —No-One Jones (m) 00:20, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Object. The stuff about the black death being caused by a lack of cats is a myth. Comment. The pictures are fine photos of cats, but they don't illustrate the article. They are just pictures of cats, except the one illustrating a breed named in the article. Gdr 00:42, 2004 Nov 8 (UTC)
  • Object. the entire section on feral cats appears to me to be full of false information. Feral cats do thrive in the wild, are quite adaptable and readily find food sources (at least in Australia). It is either Americentric, or totally false.--ZayZayEM 09:03, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object: the lead is... odd. I don't think that baby rats and obscure sayings are the most important subjects to mention there. Markalexander100 09:34, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. All of the above and no refs section. Filiocht 09:37, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object, not featured-quality. Needs to be at least twice the current size, with references. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 17:53, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Economy of Ireland

Self-nomination. I've expanded this article significantly over the last few weeks. It covers all sectors of the Irish economy, taxation, wealth distribution, the relevent statistics, economic ties etc. CGorman 20:03, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Support - robust article and gives insight into Ireland, an alternative history and modern Ireland - also recommend that article should (perhaps) incorporate larger historic section and definitely use less abbreviations (can be quite abstract) and more paragraphing. Djegan 21:23, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Neutral for the moment - the "Economic ties"/USA section needs a considerable update as it still refers to the Clinton administration in the current and future tenses (someone taking bets for 2008?!). Most of the figures in that section refer to 1998 and 1999, something more recent would be a good idea. There's also quite a lot of US spellings there, which isn't appropriate as we should be using Hiberno-English. -- Arwel 00:51, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC) P.S. - I forgot, there's also a tendency to refer to the whole island as "the country", which isn't exactly NPOV.
  • Support as long as Economic ties is updated thoughZayZayEM 08:50, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support on same condition. Filiocht 08:55, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • Will support after sources are formatted in MLA style. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 17:54, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
    • Uh, last I checked, the manual of style says that any referencing style is acceptable. →Raul654 17:59, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
      • Agreed, but they should at least have the publisher, author, and year for every book reference listed. Also, the 'See also' and 'External links' are included under the 'Reference' section. They should not be unless they were used as actual references for this article. If other wikipedia articles were used as references, my fealing is that the references for those articles should be listed instead of listing the wikipedia article as a reference. But maybe that is just me. Finally the external links are not formatted correctly as references as noted in Wikipedia:Cite sources. - Taxman 19:06, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object, I seem to be a one man mission on this, but please fix the one sentence paragraphs :). This article lists the growth differently than in Celtic Tiger, which is right? Great pictures, otherwise looks good and I would support with those fixes. - Taxman 19:06, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Certainly not bad, but I have some issues: 1) The article is called "Economy of Ireland", but appears to be only about the Republic of Ireland. This should be corrected (either the title should change or the contents should reflect it is also about Northern Ireland). 2) The history has almost nothing on the early history. Everyting up to 1848 is covered in a single sentence, and 3/4 of the section is about the 20th century or later. This trend is noticeable troughout the entire article; the present and recent past are getting most of the attention. I understand this is the period for which most information is available, but a better overview is really needed for an encyclopedia. In addition, this makes the article read rather "dated" at times: "In 1999, trade between Ireland and the United States was worth around $18.5 billion, a 24% increase over 1998." looks like the last information on this is already 5 years old. 3) Some additional figures for the history section (or elsewhere) to compare would also be nice. I can think of graphs or tables with the GPD or inflation (or other indicators) every so many years (10, 20). 4) "Recent economic circumstances" should be merged with the history. 2000-2004 is as much part of history as all years before. 5) I don't think there is a reason to keep all of the information that is left over from the CIA book. Some of this information is really not very useful (such as the historic exchange rates in US$), others are duplicates of the information in the table. The rest could probably be integrated with that table as well (I like the table). Jeronimo 19:33, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • question why has Ireland got the fastest growing economy in Europe? answer: because its capital's always Dublin. Anyway, no vote. Dunc|☺ 21:26, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

William N. Page

This is a self-nomination. I have been working on research on Col. Page for several years. This remarkable man was cofounder of the Virginian Railway. While Col Page's partner, millionaire industrialist Henry Huttleston Rogers, has received most of the published credit for building the VGN over the years, many of us have come to realize that Col. Page's role was a crucial portion of their partnership. It is a pleasure to record add this man's story (and that of the building of the Virginian Railway) to Wikipedia.

The information used in the article has been reviewed for accuracy and improvements by members of Virginian Railway (VGN) Enthusiasts yahoo group, which has over 400 members and includes authors and historians. I got a lot of help on content, but I am still learning how to write for Wikipedia, and appreciate suggestions and/or edits by others, and will try to respond to objections. Vaoverland

  • Object for now, although I would add that the article is generally impressive and I would like to see it featured. Some obvious problems: inadequate lead section; no references section; only the first word and proper nouns in headings should be capitalized. Markalexander100 03:45, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Lead section has been enhanced, references section added, and improper capitalizations in headings corrected User:Vaoverland
  • Support. This really does look impressive and it's well written. The objections above seem to have been addressed, the references section is truly impressive now! One comment, I'm unfamiliar with the history, but there seems to be a lot of adjectives used in headings and text, are these generally NPOV?
  • Support - very impressive - ZayZayEM 08:42, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Regarding neutral point of view, I may need help or suggestions in that area if y'all think it is biased. I know that Wikipedia articles are used by teachers as a basis for school projects. When composing, I visualize school children of middle school or high school age, and I try to keep it factual and interesting to read. It is an exciting and true story, and I would like the reader to be able to relate to some of the emotions the people involved experienced, if that is appropraite in the encyclopedia setting. However, I may have overloaded it with adjectives in my enthusiasm. I'm open to help or suggestions to make it a better article for Wikipedia. That is more important to me than the need to change anything from the way I have done it. In other words, please HELP if you can make it better, or guide me in doing so. Thanks. user: vaoverland

Creation accounts in Genesis

This article was put together collaboratively by people with opposing POV. It reads excellently, and appears to completely surround the subject. CheeseDreams 20:37, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • ...And unfortunately it shows. It's not an article so much as a dot point of opposing views. I have to object.
  • Object. I see the following problems that need to be addressed (I may try to help with this myself...): (1) Lead section is currently three 1-sentence paragraphs (2) No image (3) Most of the text is bulleted lists rather than prose (4) Proponents of the various theories are not identified (5) A brief discussion of the documentary hypothesis would be appropriate here (not in detail, but enough to give context to the theory) (6) There are some less "mainstream" theories about the two-creation school (dinosaurs were in the first creation, but not the second, etc.) that should be at least lightly addressed. (7) No references. Mpolo 11:35, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
    • I find this countdown list very, very helpful--a real service to Wikipedia quality, in my opinion. So thanks! ---Rednblu | Talk 16:55, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object - bulleted lists are not great writing. It should be prose. See Shroud of Turin for how that can be done acceptably. - Taxman 13:42, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object: Not only is it all dot-points, but the dot points aren't even well used dot-points as they read linearly in many places. Make it prose and attribute the proponents, and maybe it will be up to scratch. Shane King 05:46, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object: no refs, too many bullet points, to many sentences beginning 'Some.../Other.../Proponents... A classic example of why NPOV should not be considered to equal Include All POVs. Filiocht 12:16, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object Full of minor illiteracies. Not every Christian article need be featured. --Wetman 17:01, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • 'Object The article seems to be almost entirely an argument (without much attempt to resolve the arguments) about whether there are 2 or 1 creation accounts. Its angels-on-pinheads stuff and there isn't enough detail to allow the reader a meaningful ability to understand -- William M. Connolley 17:52, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC).

David Irving

For the most part a self-nomination, the article has been significantly re-worked and expanded since the last time it was nominated. Besides being a biography, it also dissects the rise of Holocaust revisionism. GeneralPatton 18:21, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Object - Far too much POV phrasing. - Xed 19:01, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • All objections must give a specific rationale that can be addressed. - as it is, this objection is too vague to be actionable. →Raul654 19:50, Nov 6, 2004 (UTC)
"enabling Irving to claim he was a serious historian, publishing original material"
"Though Irving's works were generally ignored by academics, and often criticized as inaccurate when reviewed by specialists" - contradicted by quotes from said academics and specialists
"Most serious historians picked the book apart, noting its numerous inaccuracies and misrepresentations" - who?
"Historians viewed the book as revisionist nonsense" - who?
"but they did help enforce the public impression that Irving was not just a historian of Fascism, but a Fascist historian"
The main authors of the article openly admit using the ADL as a reference!
-Xed 20:17, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support: I did some grammar clean up, and I may have missed some things. The only POV objection I had was in the choice of "fascist historian," above, since Fascism is separate, or separable, from Nazism, and it was not by itself anti-semitic. Whether Irving is an anti-semite or not is not really in debate for us: the courts have said that he is. The governments of Austria, Germany, and South Africa have said that he is. We do not decide this matter -- not being competent to do so -- but rely only upon the verdict of those who do have the authority and charge to do so. (E.g. I don't think Alger Hiss was a spy, but if I were writing about him on Wikipedia, I would say that he was one, since that is the verdict of the courts. I don't think Bruno Hauptmann abducted the Lindbergh Baby, but the courts said he did, so, for our purposes, he did. We report the ambiguity, but we do not argue it.) Geogre 20:25, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The same logic would mean referring to Mandela as a terrorist with every mention of him. - Xed 20:40, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
If the account were written before the end of apartheid, he would have been "a convicted terrorist regarded by the rest of the world as a freedom fighter." Thing is, I can't find any "rest of the world" that regards Irving as a freedom fighter. All I see is country after country denying him entry and calling him a holocaust denier. Geogre 04:26, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
No, both the US and Thatcher thought of Mandela as a terrorist. - Xed 18:12, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object: for now. This splendid article is not quite there, but I really do hope it will be. (1) Given the large amount of detail, it needs some more breaking up into logical sections the two longest sections need some subheads, but, more importantly, (2) I agree with Xed in his/her general point that more references and specifics in the article text are needed if all the assertions in it are to stand. However, if this is going to make it too clumsy I think many of the type of phrases Xed identifies could simply be omitted, and make the article more neutral, albeit slightly more abstract. And (3) one of the only persons who testified? Naturenet 17:30, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Admirable work by General Patton. Jayjg 21:27, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

National parks of England and Wales

This was the UK collaboration of the week last week, and has been on Peer review for a few days with generally very positive responses and a few comments that have been dealt with. Largely a self-nomination, although User:Naturenet and others also contributed large chunks, and some parts (list and map) were there already. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:52, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Support. As disclosure, I was one who made remarks on Peer review. Filiocht 14:58, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
  • (Not a vote yet) Question 1: Wouldn't it make sense to merge this article with the articles National Parks of Scotland, National Parks of the United Kingdom (and also National parks of Northern Ireland, although there aren't any parks there)? It seems like these would make a nice combination in NPs of the UK, but I may be mistaken. Question 2: How can broken class cause fire? ("Broken glass is a danger to people and a possible cause of fire") Jeronimo 20:14, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Good idea, but the article is already pretty long, and the division of National Parks into (England and Wales), (Scotland), and (N Ireland) is not accidental: each of those three areas has different legislation and different history to their parks, not to mention different parks. I believe there are significant differences between these three and I wouldn't support a merge. There is no need for a full UK page - it can just be a pointer to the others. The answer to your glass query can be found here: [1]. Naturenet 22:03, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • AFAIK the glass can magnify the sun's rays (and consequently heat) onto dry tinder-like ground and cause fire. JOHN COLLISON [ Ludraman] 22:06, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • Indeed - I have added a note to that effect. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:53, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • National parks of the United Kingdom is a summary article, a kind of hub which subsumes and links to National parks of England and Wales, National parks of Scotland, and National parks of Northern Ireland in a very orderly and highly organized manner, according to the principle recommended on Wikipedia:Article size. If these articles were all merged together into one, it would be a very long one. They are surely all set to grow further from inside, too. National parks of England and Wales is about 20 kb now, a very nice size and with no more than an appropriate margin for internal growth before it starts to knock up against the 32 kb limit. Jeronimo, if you think these broken-up UK national parks articles, which seem to me exemplary of their kind, need to be merged, perhaps you'd be interested in contributing to the current article length discussion on the Talk page? In that discussion, the user who has objected to John Vanbrugh (listed some ways below) as being "way too long" is highly recommending that this very same summary + links method should be used to break that up, and (I think, not quite sure), to break up any and all pages over 32 kb, according to Wikipedia policy. I didn't know that opinions on what constitutes acceptable page size or Wikipedia policy on page size varied this much, and my head is starting to hurt at the idea of the possible wanton violence in store for well-functioning pages, if they are all to be either broken up or merged. (Btw I should declare a personal interest, as one of the authors of John Vanbrugh).--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 00:14, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • Support. The answers to my questions were clear, thanks. Jeronimo 19:36, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Joe D (t) 22:09, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Excellent article on a somewhat unusual topic. Ambi 05:33, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support, great article, but I have one point. The photos are excellent, as well as high resolution, do the thumbnails have to be so small? Would it be a major problem for dial-up users if they were bigger (personally, I'd like to see them much bigger)? They, and the whole layout, would look a lot better. They're really beautiful photos.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 00:14, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support - very nice article. -- Arwel 19:03, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support ZayZayEM 08:26, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support Jayjg 21:30, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Isabella Augusta Gregory

Mostly self nom. This was a stub a while back and I've been working away at expanding it. Some other users (notably Geogre) have corrected many of my errors. Would make a nice FA Abbey Theatre set with W.B. Yeats and J.M. Synge in the centenary year of the founding of the theatre. And potential for another woman on FA. Filiocht 13:56, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

  • Support: Excellent and comprehensive short biography. I had never heard of her, would now like to know more. Giano 14:20, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support: I did some copy editing. Geogre 14:33, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
To potential reviewers to whom the name isn't ringing any bells, this is Lady Gregory, Yeats's angel and Mighty Big Wheel in the Irish literary renaissance. (Don't mean to insult anyone by implying that they don't know the name, but I know I'd certainly ask "Who's her when she's home" upon hearing it.) Geogre 05:20, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment: should the article not be called Lady Gregory, as the more common name? Markalexander100 03:55, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Regarding the name of the article: I would prefer Lady Gregory here as well (just take a look at "What links here" to see how many of the links are to Lady Gregory). Still, there are two conflicting "rules" here (best known name vs. using titles in names), so either one is really OK. Jeronimo 19:40, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support except two small things. The intro para's don't seem long enough or distinct enough to need to be separate, but simply linking them looks awkward because of the duplicated her, her. Could you expand that, or at least vary the second "her" in Her motto...? Also, the list of works seems like it would be better in a separate article. Especially for every work that is not going ot have prose written about it. - Taxman 20:23, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

Venus (planet)

Good intro; lots of good info and images. --P3d0 16:15, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

  • Support Filiocht 15:23, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC) Object for now. The external links that served as references need to go to a references section, along with any print refs that were used. Also, could the Recent flybys and Future missions subsections be merged? They're both very short. Filiocht 16:22, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)
    • Ok, I renamed "External Links" to "References". Why merge Recent flybys and Future missions besides their length? --P3d0 15:04, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
      • Fine by me. Filiocht 15:23, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support JoJan 19:27, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Zerbey 21:34, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Geogre 15:18, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. The history section is nice, and the 'Venus in fiction', while small, contains the most basic facts. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 18:48, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support ZayZayEM 07:05, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Light

No particular reason for nominating this. I just randomly came to the page and thought, "Why not?". (Note - this was nominated by an anon →Raul654 19:34, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC))

  • Object for now - insufficient lead, too many short sections, too many lists that could be turned into prose, infelicitous placement of images, and generally more that could be said. On the other hand, a good start. I'll help it if/when I have time (it would be a nice complement to speed of light). -- ALoan (Talk) 13:54, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object, in case this needs another agreement to the above. Simply does not meet very many of the featured article criteria yet. - Taxman 20:48, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

High jump

"partial self-nom". i added to history, others helped with pictures and captioning, while others copy-edited, right down to the last umlauts. 128.8.222.44 22:36, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)(srf)

  • Object. Needs an expanded lead section. Some dodgy language too - "obtaining the most economical clearance to date." What does that mean? Also seems a little short to be truly comprehensive, but I personally don't know much else that is not covered. - Taxman 00:14, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. 1) History is incomplete, mostly focussed on male high jumping and has several big gaps. It jumps from ancient Greeks to the 19th century, for example. It also seems highly US-biased, and mentions jumpers like Amy Acuff, while more accomplished jumpers are left out. Only Olympics and world records seem to be mentioned, but what about other international championships, notably the World Championships? It also fails to mention, f.e. when the event was introduced at the Olympics. 2) A section is needed on the various high jumping techniques, including illustrations (or a video?) of how a Fosbury flop jump works. Also, there should be more about how to jump. What equipment is used (shoes?), how does an athlete train for high jumping. If nothing specific can be said about that, mention that. 3) A lead section is needed. 4) Kostadinova's picture is uncredited. 5) A discussion of the physics of high jumping is also required. The reason why the flop works is because the centre of gravity has to travel as little as possible. This is also why people with long legs (a high centre of gravity) tend to jump higher in general. 6) The references are incomplete, and although I don't own these books, it seems like not all parts of the article originate from these sources, notably the "Procedures and rules". 7) The "Current status" section should be merged with history. 8) "which would likely have broken his neck in the old sawdust landing pits" - what old sawdust landing pits? We never heard about those. 9) The article should decide on it style. It currently mixes US and UK. We have some heights only in feet, others in both (which is as it should be), others only in centimeters. Also we have both track and field and athletics. Pick one style and stick with it. Jeronimo 07:28, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object with nothing to add to Jeronimo's remarks above. Filiocht 12:24, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

Neil Young

No, he's not as important as Elvis or Dylan, but I think its a pretty comprehensive article. Self nomination -- I wrote nearly all of this, modulo some copy editing. --- GWO 16:18, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Support. Lots of blank links though.--Crestville 18:54, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Good stuff, but the one and two sentence paragraphs need to be fixed. The lead section could stand to be expanded. The discographies would also look better in a separate list article that is linked in this one. - Taxman 00:28, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)
    • The entire 'Other achievements' section needs to be turned into prose. - Taxman 13:48, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)
      • I don't understand. It has always been prose. Terse prose, perhaps. But it is prose. -- GWO 16:52, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support, but tepidly. The redlinks are no big deal. The linking of redneck bugs me more, especially since "Sweet Home, Alabama" is not, likely, a response to "Southern Man," but to (big surprise) "Alabama," from "Harvest," with which it actually shares chords (i.e. Lynyrd Skynyrd was not only taunting him lyrically, but saying, "This is how you play guitar"). At any rate, there is still a bit of immaturity to the article, still too much of a narrow POV (e.g. the lead jumps into the types of songs he's known for, but it's probably better to say, "Neil Young is a rock and folk musician regarded as one of the most important figures of the 1960's through 1990's" -- something a bit more global than getting to what songs he's loved for). Nitzche is a controversial figure in his own right. He got to be so much The Man that he began shoving his approach down a lot of throats, and it's arguable whether he did good or ill by Neil (yes, Neil liked him). Anyway, these are quibbles. It's of FA quality with a bit of copy editing now. Geogre 03:11, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    WRT Southern Man / Alabama. The same chords, well you can't read too much into that. The chords to SHA are D/C/G, with a shuffle 6th in each bar. I could real off 30 songs with that chord progression without breaking sweat. (Actually, if this [2] is to be believed, the chords are distinctly not the same). Southern Man, however, is mentioned explicitly in the lyrics. I'll get on the copy editing (the lead section was one of the few bits that weren't mine :)) -- GWO 08:37, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Actually, SWA isn't just DCG (which is the old I-IV-V, which is every rock song ever), but a particular formation of the C and G that are the same as "Alabama" and "Ziggy Stardust" and a few others of that time but which are not used very commonly. Young liked that C formation (to tab it, it would be 3/5, 2/4, 0/3, 3/2, 3/1), and you almost never see it anywhere else in LS's stuff (although the Gsus is used plenty of places, part. in "Freebird"). Lyrically, they refer to "Southern Man," of course, but the title invokes "Alabama," which is a song that is even less deft in its criticism. I also think that "redneck" absolutely shouldn't be part of the reference. That's POV. The struggle over Civil Rights reflected in the song battle was the Dixiecrat stuff. Wallace and Maddux were ignoramuses, but it's irresponsible and inflammatory to refer to the entire southern Democratic party (which was anti-Civil Rights act) that way. We saw the fruits of that kind of name calling just recently. Geogre 17:26, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Well, I can't speak for how common x32033 is LS's work but its ubiquitous in folk music, (Cos of the easy fingering to the full G). And anyway that's not what's tabbed here, [3] or how I was taught to play it. And I don't think its in Alabama either. Compromise : mention that it has relevance to multiple Young songs. -- GWO
  • Support, as it's an excellent article, but I'll consider changing to object if Geogre's points aren't fixed up. Ambi 07:27, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. The lead section is inadequate, there is no explicit references section (were all those books and links used?) and there is a bit too much of the "fan" to the writing. For instance, I fail to see how a sentence like: 'During the late 1970s, Young was sometime referred to as a "disciple" of the "master" Bob Dylan and seemed on the verge of surpassing the legend.' can be seen as anything other than POV, not to mention confusing for the imaginary reader who is here because they want to learn about a subject they currently know little or nothing of. Who did the referring? Why would Dylan be the "master"? Which "legend"? On what basis is the claim that he 'seemed' to be surpassing Dylan made? Why all the "ironic" uses of ""? There are more statements that raise similar questions, but this is the most blatant. Filiocht 08:51, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)
    • After a few unsuccessful attempts to write something more coherent, the passage about Dylan as master has simply been deleted. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:36, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
    • Filiocht: Could you elucidate on what (if anything) you consider "fan writing" remaining in the article? -- GWO
  • Object, I agree with Filiocht that there is too much "fan" writing. Also, I'm not a big fan of the strictly chronological layout; I'd like to see some separate and more in-depth sections on e.g. his person and his music in general (including more detailed critique). The main problematic aspect of a chronological layout is that it is much harder to find information in the article unless you have knowledge about the subject in advance -- a much more comprehensive lead section might also solve the problem. Some recent photo would be nice too (there must be some fan somewhere who has taken one who'd be willing to release it under the GFDL). Finally, Neil Young might not be as important as Elvis or Dylan, but he makes better music ;) - Fredrik | talk 01:57, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • Fredrik: Could you elucidate on what (if anything) you consider "fan writing" remaining in the article? -- GWO

Hydrogen

Thorough coverage of the subject; perhaps the best of the element articles. +sj+ 10:48, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Object - the section on isotopes is a bit thin; there is nothing about cold fusion. Also little astronomy: nothing about deuterium as a constraint on models of nucleosynthesis in the early universe; stars and gas are mentioned, but there is more to say about hydrogen gas in galaxies (for example, ionised HII regions, neutral atomic hydrogen emitting 21cm radiation, star-formation in regions of molecular H2, traced by CO emission) or planets (such as Jupiter); what about spectral lines, like the Lyman series or the Balmer series. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:05, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Comment - could use a better picture. Maybe someone could photograph the ubiquitous "hydrogen combustion over a flask" from high school chemistry? Rhobite 21:21, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

John Dee

Not a self nom, although I made a small edit just now. Well made page on an interesting person. Go read. Filiocht 08:35, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)

  • Support. Very interesting subject well written, most people know the name but few facts, so this fills a valuable void. One minor quibble (which doesn't affect my support) could one or two of the many "Dee" mentions be changed to "He" or "His", as it is a little repetitious In "Final Years" alone - there are six "Dees" in 5 lines.Giano 09:02, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I have attempted to address this observation. Filiocht 09:17, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. He's a taff and a mathematician. Why have I never heard of him? -- GWO 09:22, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. [[User:MacGyverMagic|Mgm|(talk)]] 10:44, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support, interesting and well-written article with all the trimmings.--Bishonen 11:24, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • I want to support, but is it comprehensive enough? I am not a Dee scholar, but I looked here (which is not referenced - I'm not sure how far I can trust it, since it claims that Dee coined the word Britannia and founded the Rosicrucian Order) which claims that Dee sold the Voynich Manuscript to Rudolph II (I'm sure I have heard this claimed elsewhere, so not so potty). There also seem to be more (and more believeable) details of his life here, here and here that could be included, and these websites are not given as External Links either. I won't refer to the more "esoteric" websites... I'm not objecting, but just asking whether further information should be added. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:49, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I suppose it would always be possible to expand any Wikipedia biography almost indefinitely, but some selection has to be made or we'd end up with 800 page books. My own view is that there is enough there now, but I'd like the view of the major contributor and anyopne else who is interested. Filiocht 13:58, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)
Indeed - that is why I was not objecting. The article is good, but should it be better? -- ALoan (Talk) 14:07, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I do appreciate the attention that's being given this article. This is the level of detail I imagined Dee's significance would merit, but if there's a general feeling that more detail is needed I can certainly expand the article. I did consciously try to give more space to Dee's non-scrying life than a lot of sources do. Dee seems to have been claimed by every esoteric and occult group around, so there's lots of biographical misinformation out there. The connection with the Voynich manuscript rests on some very flimsy assumptions, but that's the context that most people have heard of Dee in, so I'll add a mention of it now. (When the system stops being so agonizingly slow!) PRIIS 15:34, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I just added information on the Voynich Ms and an external link on the same topic. PRIIS 18:05, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Thanks - have you had a chance to look at the other references, which all looked pretty "normal" and useful, with some information that I couldn't immediately see in out article. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:52, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Yes, this one from St. Andrew's is good. This one not so much--anything with Necronomicon in it, you are encouraged to dismiss with a snort. This third one is in between but still pretty romanticized. I'll add the first to the external links. PRIIS 20:22, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support - as said before, my points above were not objections, just questioning whether the articles was comprehensive. On the basis that they appear to be dealt with, I'll support. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:37, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support: Dee has been a favorite figure for every tinfoil hat group since 1700. He has been more maligned and used than Jacques de Molay. Every Satanist would-be, every "secret history," every "revelations of secret power" group in the world sooner or later claims something about Dee. As for his link to the Rosicrucians, it's possible, though he's hardly the originator. The Rosicrucian "cult" in England has two very, very brief lives. One is around the time of Dee, the other in the 1680's, but they never did do much or mean much. All "secret history" is unverifiable. I would suggest that the article make it a little clearer that Dee is a popular figure for outlandish speculation. Geogre 18:58, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Oh, agreed, but then should the article not then summarise and refute or debunk some of these claims? -- ALoan (Talk) 19:52, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I've added a refutation to these sorts of claims in the "Reputation" section. I'd say it's more "blanket" than "point-by-point." PRIIS 22:15, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Wise. The only gripe I had was that you probably needed a bit more of a pointing hand and a blinking arrow to say loudly, "He wasn't a Satanist!" Point by point is impossible, because every schemer has his own point, and we ought not be in the business of validating them by repeating their fantasies. As a side note, I believe Dee features as one of the alleged links in the fake scheme in Umberto Eco's Foucault's Pendulum. Geogre 03:14, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)
BTW, excellent new paragraph about hermeticism and Pythagorean philosophy in the 16th c. world. If any outsider reads it with reason and an open mind, he or she will get a good understanding of why the nuts like him, and why it's nuts to like him that way. Geogre 04:39, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Thorough and readable. Smerdis of Tlön 02:48, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. I earlier informed the author of what a good job he'd done, but failed to add my vote here. So now I have. PedanticallySpeaking 19:58, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support, if American English spellings are changed to the more appropriate (for this article) Commonwealth English. -- Emsworth 18:21, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • I find "artifacts", "traveled", "centimeter" and "fictionalizes/fictionalized" as AmE. I can change them, but is it really an issue? If it is, are there any more I'm missing? PRIIS 08:21, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • OK, I made those changes. If there are any more, please make them or let me know. PRIIS 19:39, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support --ZayZayEM 05:49, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support Jayjg 21:34, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Behavioral finance

Partial self-nom - I added to pgreenfinch's original behavioural finance page. I think it's a good and well referenced article on a fairly interesting subset of finance/economics. But I might be biased :) Psychobabble

  • Support - yeh its interesting AlbinoMonkey 12:38, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object for now. Wiki needs definetly much more work on economic subjects and I am happy to see activity in this field, but this article is far from ready from featured status. Did you notice there are two 'Criticisms' sections?? I fixed various minor problems, but this needs more interlinks and expansion, especially where there are lists like 'Behavioral economics topics' or 'Key Figures'. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:16, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The outline of the article is split between behavioral finance and behavioral economics, the two criticism sections are specific to each of those sub-sections. I realise more needs to be done in the sub-topics, I wasn't sure if that was a criterion for having the main page (which is a broad outline of the field) featured. A lot of that stuff I'll fill in when I finish exams. Psychobabble
  • Comment on the picture: The only picture is a picture of Daniel Kahneman. The picture had no source/license information, but I've added a probable source and assumed the picture is fair use. Because of that I don't think we should use the picture in the article -- unless I'm mistaken about the license -- because I don't think we should use it as fair use outside Daniel Kahneman. ✏ Sverdrup 23:17, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I don't know much about this sort of stuff. I assumed if it was OK for the Kahnenman wikipedia articke, it was OK for this one.Psychobabble

Lottie Dod

Self-nomination. Jeronimo 15:38, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • SupportZayZayEM 01:32, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Support: An external web link would be a good addition. Geogre 02:22, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • I know, but I haven't been able to find much more than the meagre bio currently listed under references. I'll keep on searching. Jeronimo 11:19, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Possibly on a "Women athletes of the century" kind of thing (ESPN did one of those)? I am not really a see-also person, but a Wimbleton history or women in sports see-also or external link would at least be something, even if not specific to Dod. Geogre 15:55, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
      • I added an external and an internal "see also" link. Jeronimo 11:10, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Object, too short. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (hopefully!)]] 22:28, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)
    • That is not a valid objection in itself, unless you can qualify it. Being short is not a bad thing, being incomplete is. Are there any issues/subtopics you can mention that are not (sufficiently) dealt with by the article? If not, I'll regard this objection as unactionable. Jeronimo 07:57, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Seems very complete as it is. Filiocht 14:27, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)


Economy of Africa

An outgrowth of recent efforts to unbias our fair 'pedia, and a sexy effort by SimonP and ChrisG. This is a particular milestone since there are no other continents with "Economy of" articles to use as a guideline (see Economy of Europe and Economy of Australia if you must). --+sj+ 23:13, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • Yes, I know the nomination was clobbered [4], but this was just recently nominated and there are objections that have not been addressed at all. Specifically the sentence in the intro "Improving Africa's economy as it emerges from the aftereffects of colonialism and it struggles with democracy, welfare and quality of life is one of the most important issues facing the modern world." Even though many may agree with that, it is an unnacceptable POV for a featured article. It needs to be re written so it is more factual. - Taxman 23:49, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
    • Well I NPOV'd that, hopefully someone can fix it so it flows better. - Taxman 19:51, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Tuf-Kat 23:51, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
  • support. Pnd 11:33, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Ah - I thought this was nominated recently, but I couldn't see it in the achive of promoted articles or of rejected ones... This was overwritten by another section (that old chestnut again). What it said was:

[that was me, by the way -- ALoan (Talk) 00:00, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)]

A thorough, well-written, all-around excellent article on an interesting and important topic. —No-One Jones (m) 00:43, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • Strong support. Fredrik | talk 08:46, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Absolute support. Best article of the year. Ambi 08:50, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Filiocht 09:05, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support - Xed 09:33, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Support - Simon has already implemented my suggested changes. ✏ Sverdrup 10:05, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Important and excellent. ChrisG 11:31, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The information is good, but the article is sorely in need of an editor. I may lend a hand if I have time. Someone correctly pointed out on the talk page that African_gdp_growth.png is almost illegible to anyone with red–green colour blindness. The burgundy and the dark olive green in particular will look almost the same to about 8% of males. I suggest changing either the reds or the greens to blues. Incidentally, the first map on the page, the one done entirely in greens, is very easy to read, irrespective of colour blindness. Shorne 12:08, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    What kind of editing do you think it needs? —No-One Jones (m) 12:16, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Just now I edited the introductory paragraph. Check the revision history for my changes. I can also point out the bizarre sentence "Africa's economy is more reliant on agriculture than that of any other continent with a majority of Africans still working the soil", which, for want of a comma, means something rather different from what was intended. I'll support this nomination once the English is cleaned up. Shorne 12:24, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
      • I've done a fair bit of copyediting and linkage. How does it look now? —No-One Jones (m) 13:34, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
        • I've done some more editing myself. More could be done, but I'll withdraw the objection. I have another one, however, about one of the maps. See above. Shorne 19:28, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Wow... Definite support, this is an excellent piece of work! Zerbey 14:06, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Object. Great material. I see at least two issues: 1.) The sentence in the intro "Improving Africa's economy as it emerges from a period of colonialism and struggles with democracy, welfare and quality of life is one of the most important issues facing the modern world.", while many may agree with, is an unnacceptable POV for a wikipedia article. It either needs to be cited to a source that said it, or turned into a factual statement, not a value judgement. 2.) The Geography section needs some work. The second paragraph has redundant sentences in it. I would have fixed that except for the problem is not only geographic it is political. It is the fact that the interior countries are landlocked that cause the problem, not the geography alone. The end of the third paragraph is a POV mess. That is one explanation, but is not neccessarily correct. Wikipedia can't state things like that as fact without citation. That is all the farther I got, but I assume similar issues happen later in the article. So unfortunately object for now. - Taxman 15:47, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)
  • Strong support. Simon A. 20:59, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. This is mostly my article, and seeing as I made it my entry in Danny's contest I am quite pleased with it. Many thanks to everyone who has since edited and improved it. I am aware the article is not perfect. I am concerned that it gives short shrift to many subjects, but I think this is unavoidable with such a massive subject matter. I would also prefer more numbers and statistics, but accurate numbers are very difficult to find. I would also like to have the colour blind be able to read the maps, but I do not know much about how best this can be done. - SimonP 03:25, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
  • Oppose, for lack of certain informations. The history section has several problems, no information before tenth century and a very limited informations on slavery. "This region became quite prosperous as Swahili traders exported ivory and slaves to a trade that spanned the entire Indian Ocean region." is the only sentence to mention slavery at all and this make it look like only Swahili was involved or that it had only a small effect in Africa. The agriculture section lacks informations on cattles which is very important in the central Africa. The Disease section has informations on AIDS and malaria but not on any other disease that have been controlled like small pox. Half of the Language issues section is about education and there is no independent section on it. I cannot figure out why the picture "Tamale in linguistically diverse Ghana" is a meaningful one. The only linguistic thing about the picture is a "TOYOTA" on the back of a truck. Something like a picture of a ballot with multiple languages on it, like the one you see in an Indian election, would be better. Revth 03:57, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • I would love to implement the above suggestions, but the article is already longer that is officially allowed. At this point adding anything substantial would entail cutting elsewhere, so I personally think more detailed information is better suited to subpages like economic history of Africa, or agriculture in Africa. - SimonP 09:02, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)
      • Then what the article needs is to be written more in Wikipedia:Summary style. The article should cover all of the most important facets of the subject, but not in too much detail, and the sections that are too long need to be summarized to make room for other topics that need coverage. The detailed coverage then gets moved to the subarticle or the main article on the topic. - Taxman 23:40, Oct 26, 2004 (UTC)
        • If someone had written these additional articles then summary style would make sense. But they haven't been written and so this is a unfair suggestion, what makes this article excellent is it successfully describes the key issues in one article.  :ChrisG 18:22, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
          • No, no, you're missing the concept. In summary style this article wouldn't depend on the main articles on each subtopic, just what is summarized in this article. That is the only way to cover everything properly, with every single important topic covered and none so long that you have to leave out important stuff to fit in the size limit. Anything too long needs to be moved out and summarized, but primarily to improve this article, not specifically to improve the subarticle. - Taxman 02:58, Oct 28, 2004 (UTC)
        • No I'm not missing the concept. From my perspective, the article is covers the subject matter in a comprehensive manner. In dealing with the important facets it obviously cannot cover every detail. If you use this article in its present state to create a main article with child articles, you will replace one great article with four or five average ones.  :ChrisG 10:24, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Agree with Revth. This is a good article, but to be a good featured, it needs sub-articles. With no mention of Axumite Kingdom (just to name one historical empire), the history section is definetly incomplete. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 00:52, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
      • But that would involve placing far too much detail into this article. It's unfair to object to this one because another article (Economic history of Africa doesn't yet exist. Ambi 04:37, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
        • Some topics need long articles to be good, or division into subarticles. Economy of a continent is a very ambitious project. While the work done on the article so far is amazing and would be many times enough for some other featured articles (like the recently featured infinite monkey theorem, it is not yet enough for Economy of Africa. And ATM this article is already 40k long, it needs to be split into smaller sections anyway. I recommend Warsaw Uprising as an example on how a long article was split into subarticles. I will expand the history section a little with my knowledge, but the section about early history (before Europeans) needs serious work and my objections still stand. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 12:21, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)
          • I expanded the history but it is still far from complete. Considering this is an article about economy I think that is enough, for now. Therefore I withdraw my objectons and for the moment I will abstain here and look at further developments. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:17, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
        • But the "main article" for the section is blank. This implies there's more information, and is at the very least, misleading. 219.95.164.146 15:02, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)
          • Removed link to non-existent article :ChrisG 18:22, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Sentences about slavery was added, so now a minor object. Revth 02:19, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Great article. I think Revth's concerns can be addressed in seperate articles, ie: History of the Economy of Africa, or something like that, etc. func(talk) 21:01, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Support unequivocally. Lisiate 23:12, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:05, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
    • Have you guys really read the whole article? I have seen no attempt made at addressing some of the above objections. - Taxman 15:55, Nov 2, 2004 (UTC)
      • Are you going to set a test? Just because you (or indeed anyone else) have objections does not mean that I should have objections. I think it can be featured as it stands. -- ALoan (Talk) 15:14, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)
        • I don't know what that phrase means, just wondering how you could support if you had read it all. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how much it differs from my own. So I was simply asking. - Taxman 19:51, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)
  • Support. Have read the whole article (after it won Danny's contesT), and I believe it can be featured as is. Minor improvements would include a bit more NPOV as mentioned by taxman, but that can be argued about -- Chris 73 Talk 14:13, Nov 3, 2004 (UTC)
  • Object, still. I've had a go at fixing some of the POV, but I saw too many more that I can't fix soon. There are many unattributed statements that are so authoritatively worded that they are a POV problem. There is still some flawed and unattributed economic analysis in the geopolitical section. Many one sentence paragraghs throughout. I'm not saying its not great material, but it has some ways to go before being featured quality. Since I am in the minority objecting, I will see what I can do further to solve these issues. - Taxman 19:51, Nov 4, 2004 (UTC)

There are 3 outstanding objections to this article - that the map could be illegible to someone with red-green blindness; that there aren't enough sub-articles, and that there are too many unattributed statements. The first objection is, well, pretty trivial (how many people does it apply to?); the second objection is invalid because it not intrinsic to this article. Really, only Taxman's objection strikes me as weighty. →Raul654 21:34, Nov 7, 2004 (UTC)



Pictures

The first list is featured articles that do not have a picture and hence would be problematic to put on the main page. Please add pictures and then move to the second list. GFDL or PD preferred — avoid fair use images where possible (they may not be fair use on the main page).

Tangentially connected pictures may also be suitable for the main page, even if they wouldn't sit well with the article itself. Use your common sense.

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