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Re: Translating the Azeri SSR anthem

Hey, thanks Marshall! I asked Baku87 to do it awhile back but he seems to have ignored my request. Is there any possibility that you could also translate the Tajik SSR anthem? -- Clevelander 20:41, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

BTW, any luck finding information regarding the Azeri massacres of Armenians in Nakhichevan? Thanks! -- Clevelander 20:45, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Tajik is a dialect of Farsi and it's written in modified Cyrillic so it might be a bit different. Anyway, if you can't translate it, that's okay. The Azerbaijan SSR anthem would be just fine. -- Clevelander 21:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Saying that Tajik is a dialect of Farsi is wrong. You might say that Tajik is a variety of Persian, but not of Farsi. And it isn't even really a dialect, as there is a standard, normative form. It would be like saying that Macedonian is a "dialect" of Bulgarian, or Afrikaans is a "dialect" of Dutch. Incidentally, if you want Tajik translations, ask tg:User:Ibrahim, he's pretty personable. - FrancisTyers · 18:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Christopher Walker

Just curious, Marshall, are you familiar with Walker's work? -- Clevelander 01:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright, well, I have an idea to resolve our disputes on the Nakhichevan page. I thought that we could have GM explain a bit about Cornell and have you explain about Walker. Then we would have users ask you questions regarding Walker, and GM regarding Cornell. After this, we could evaluate both men and see if either is credible enough to be referenced on Wikipedia. Maybe this idea won't work, but it's just something I was thinking about. Tell me what you think. -- Clevelander 02:06, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

That and he supports Genocide deniers as well as unification between Karabakh and Azerbaijan. My point, anyway, was to essentially prove this (Cornell's bias). Between you and I, I think that Walker isn't as one-sided as some make him out to be, but I need more proof supporting this claim. -- Clevelander 23:47, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Suggested reading?

I plan I'm doing a complete, more neutral, and well-referenced Nakhichevan history (instead of going through my complicated mediation process as discussed above). But I need you're help. Aside from The Caucasian Knot are there any other books regarding Nakhichevan or its history? I will do as much research as I can to ensure a neutral article, but again, I'd like you to help me too. If you come up with any interesting piece of information regarding Nakhichevan, shoot me a message on my talk page immediately. Thanks! -- Clevelander 00:05, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Are there any books on the region by non-Armenians? Although I respect the work of Richard H., I'm cautious about using him because by his name alone, I could be accused of bias. I want to play it safe (though I will not turn my back to Hovannisian's work - I have volume III here and that seems to have extensive knowledge on Nakhichevan). -- Clevelander 01:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see, so he would make a decent secondary source? I mean, would I run into problems if I added his stuff to the Nakhichevan page? -- Clevelander 01:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Armenian SSR

Hey Marshall, I wouldn't recommend using Walker as a source for the Armenian SSR page. Don't you have another source for that information? -- Clevelander 13:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm beginning to think that Walker is not a solid source, because in some parts of his book: "Armenia: The Survival of a Nation," he seems to show some bias. What concerned me the most was that when I looked up one person in the book, Haskell, I found this entry in the index: "Haskell, Col. W.H. 278, 307; a crook 287" Is calling somebody a crook credible? No true historian should be judgemental when writing a book like this. Anyway, this is my concern. -- Clevelander 18:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that it can be found online. I'm still cautious about using him (additionally, including him would also flare up further tensions with Azeri editors and we'll be back to square one). -- Clevelander 19:19, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Assistance needed

Marshall, in regards to Nakhichevan, I need your help in helping me prove something to GM, mainly the fact that Azerbaijan's Karki exclave came under Armenian occupation after Azerbaijan began shelling targets from Nakhichevan. -- Clevelander 17:36, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

May 1992. -- Clevelander 18:44, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Tell me what you think of this so far: User:Clevelander/Nakhichevan. -- Clevelander 19:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback and thanks for helping me out in regards to the Nakhichevan page. -- Clevelander 19:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan article - how's it looking so far?

I've fixed it up and added some images: User:Clevelander/Nakhichevan. Tell me what you think so far. -- Clevelander 23:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the information. The numbers seem close to those of the 1914 Russian census as cited in the New States, New Politics book. Is this from a census conducted in 1917 or is this an estimate from 1917? I'm inclined to believe that it was the latter. -- Clevelander 20:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

So does mean that this information is nothing new? -- Clevelander 20:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. This also confirms what I stated on the Nakhichevan page [for the 1914 statistics], so I was just wondering. -- Clevelander 21:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

The face of war

Hey Marshall, Luis Dingley recently sent me a lot of great photographs of the Karabakh war from his collection. See if you can use these. -- Clevelander 22:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• Armenian soldiers preparing for battle.
  Armenian soldiers preparing for battle.
• Armenians collecting their dead.
  Armenians collecting their dead.
• Troops from Azerbaijan.
  Troops from Azerbaijan.
• File:Dead karabakh war.jpg
• File:Karabakh deaths.jpg
• File:Karabakh shells.jpg
• Armenian comrades-in-arms.
  Armenian comrades-in-arms.
• A funeral for an Armenian soldier.
  A funeral for an Armenian soldier.
• File:Karabakh war blast.jpg
• Armenians fighting.
  Armenians fighting.
• File:Karabakh war injured.jpg
• File:Karabakh war shelling.jpg
• 
  Monte Melkonian.
• Monte Melkonian speaking to an Armenian couple.
  Monte Melkonian speaking to an Armenian couple.
• A bandaged Monte Melkonian.
  A bandaged Monte Melkonian.
• File:More dead karabakh war.jpg
• File:Street fighting karabakh.jpg

Sumgait Massacre

Golly, I somehow missed that message on my talk. I'm heading over there right now, again, I'm sorry! Yanksox 20:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Hey! Sure, I'll try my best. I've left a comment at the talk page. —Khoikhoi 04:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Nakhichevan

Tell me what you think of this. -- Clevelander 18:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Genocide userbox

Hey Marshall, I made this template awhile back and I thought you might want to add it to your user page (like I have):

This user opposes denial of the Armenian Genocide.

-- Clevelander 23:04, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Suny

Where does Grigor Suny say that he supports the unification of Azerbaijan and calls the Armenian Genocide something that was not planned in its stead? Just curious. -- Clevelander 01:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Drugs

Thanks :)

About the symptoms, Stupor would tend to rule out stimulants, however that still leaves quite a wide range of drugs to choose from. It says oral poisoning, but that doesn't really help much -- as many drugs could be administered orally.

If we look at the diagram on Psychoactive drug, we can also probably rule out anti-psychotics, as they would most likely not have had access to them. Probably also rule out hallucinogens. Unfortunately from the description, it is describing his symptoms after treatment not before, "Stupor was alleviated, cries in response to noxious stimulus. Pupils equally round and reactive to light and accommodation..." etc.

I'd say you're looking at a drug in the red or yellow sections of that diagram. You could probably narrow it down further by working out what they would have access to. Its a shame they don't give the times involved, as that could narrow it down too. Of course another problem is that the child was 3, the effects of a drug on a three year old will be much more pronounced than on an adult. - FrancisTyers · 15:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Possibly, but the colour of the tablets doesn't really help. The fact that it is a tablet rules out Nitrous Oxide and Chloroform though, along with Alcohol and Ether. If we were to take a pure "probability" — e.g. most likely approach, its probably Barbituates, Benzodiazepines or Ketamine, definitely not PCP or DXM. Incidentally, it is a shame we don't have an article on Drug use in the Soviet Union. It would make an interesting exploration. - FrancisTyers · 18:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

NK War

Yes, there's a database error. Don't edit the page for now. —Khoikhoi 18:03, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

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Did you...

See this?: http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/08/07E46CF7-FD9C-4920-BEC2-D7937DDFE3ED.html

Interesting stuff! -- Clevelander 01:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I actually agree. The Soviet anthems, in my opinion, of (for instance) Armenia, Ukraine, Georgia, and even Azerbaijan had more rousing tunes than the current ones. Out of all those I especially enjoy Ukraine which has this really great patriotic tune to it (Georgia too in some respects). The Azerbaijani one is almost like setting music to a Kurdish sword fight. It's fast and energetic (the one they have now is in my view way too militaristic). I like the Armenian one a lot better than the present "Mer Hayrenik" as it seems to manifest the struggle of the Armenian people. I also love Khachaturian's work so that's a plus.

However, as Armenia looks towards selecting a new anthem, I think that the tune should be something more European, like the Ukrainian SSR, Georgian SSR, Russian, Czech, Polish or German anthems. Something rousing and awe-inspiring, something that represents the Armenian nation, something that represents liberty, justice, purity, strength, and unity. -- Clevelander 11:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC)