Talk:Kaachi

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---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Kaachi: Are they kpop?

They are not a kpop group since they meet any of the qualifications to be one and thus, their music can't be considered kpop either. Although that all makes perfect sense, some people here just don't understand it. Poke6668 (talk) 04:29, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you starting a discussion on this. But please do not continue to edit war on the matter while discussion takes place. You have already been warned about edit warring and you have been repeatedly changing this article for some time now. Please revert your change and avoid being blocked. Thanks.

"any of the qualifications to be one" - What exactly are these? Who has appointed themselves gatekeeper of kpop and defined who is allowed to be a kpop band?

Everything on Wikipedia goes by the sources. What do they say? The opinion of editors is irrelevant. If the sources say they are kpop then that is what Wikipedia says. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 09:38, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Here's some qualifications for ya - Korean fluency, good vocals, and good dancing skills, none of which they have. They also never went through the Korean idol training process that every real kpop idol has and they're not even under a kpop agency like every real kpop idol is. Do I need to go on? Oh and btw, I'm not "gatekeeping." You can literally just take a look at all the legitimate kpop groups out there and you'll see how far off Kaachi is from the real thing almost instantly in every department. Poke6668 (talk) 13:06, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

"Do I need to go on?" - Yes, because all you're stating here is your personal opinion, which as I explain above is irrelevant. You're making statements about "legitimacy" and "real" with nothing authoritative or verifiable to back you up. Until you have reliable sources your position stands on nothing. Wikipedia doesn't care what, in anyone's opinion, makes a band "real". It cares what the sources say.

The point of discussing here is that it is better and less disruptive than the tit-for-tat discussion you were having in edit summaries.

Please also don't put emotive adjectives into descriptions of things. Thanks.--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 14:36, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

It's funny how you keep talking about reliable sources when just about all of Kaachi's sources are questionable in some way. The overwhelming majority of them aren't even in English, so there's no way for me or anyone who doesn't understand Spanish to know if they're actually reliable. There's also allkpop in there, which is a kpop gossip website, and there's even a link to Instagram's login screen in there. So until you go and fix all that junk, then don't talk to me about "reliable sources." Poke6668 (talk) 15:59, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

If you can improve the references on the article, please do. If you think anything sourced is factually incorrect, please raise it here. But please bring alternative sources that demonstrates why it is wrong. Thanks. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 12:32, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Well since we're still talking about reliable sources, what source do we have that says that kaachi's genre is kpop? I'll admit, I don't have a reliable source yet that says that their genre isn't kpop, but I sure as hell don't see a reliable source that says the opposite is true. And last time I checked, if something can't be confirmed to be true, then it shouldn't be on the page. Poke6668 (talk) 13:39, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Here are a few. Which one works best?

• https://www.frontrow-records.com/kaachi Their own website. As a primary source this is not ideal, but a fair starting point about how they identify.
• https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2022/06/06/business/industry/Korea-Kpop-global/20220606160518114.html - a good source that also quotes a number of experts
• https://www.allkpop.com/article/2020/04/uks-first-k-pop-girl-band-kaachi-make-worldwide-debut
• https://k-odyssey.com/news/newsview.php?ncode=1065595307725252
• https://kprofiles.com/kaachi-member-profile/
• https://www.backstage.com/u/kaachi-uk-kpop-girl-group/
• https://seoulbeats.com/2020/05/kaachi-is-it-k-pop/ has a good discussion that could be used to cite discussion of the matter

--Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 12:11, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Seoulbeats is the only one that works since it actually addresses the question of whether kaachi is kpop or not. The rest are either fan websites, carbon copies of Kaachi's own website, or news websites that barely even mention kaachi. Poke6668 (talk) 14:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

We're looking for a source for kpop first, controversy about them can follow. It seems to me that koreajoongangdaily, which directly names and describes them as kpop is a good cite. The whole news story doesn't have to be about them. It also discusses the core of the "controversy" about non-Korean kpop acts, just like seoulbeats. Otherwise, kprofiles and backstage are not fan wesites. None of them are copies of their website. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 17:44, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Actually, you know what? Even if Wikipedia were to say that Kaachi was a real kpop group, it wouldn't mean squat cuz Wikipedia has a reputation for not being credible. After all, literally anyone can write anything on here as long as they have a "reliable" source to prove it, even if that source isn't truly reliable at all.

So if you wanna keep picking out sources, then I'm afraid you're on your own because I'm not gonna keep wasting my time working on an online encyclopedia that can't be trusted. Poke6668 (talk) 21:23, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

If the sources above aren't reliable please explain why. They seem as authorative as any you can get on the subject. It seems that you have an issue with them because they don't say what you would like them to. Unfortunately they are the best I could find and are more reliable than the opinion of a Wikipedia editor. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 10:19, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

You just don't get it, do ya? Wikipedia isn't considered a valid source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source), so why the hell should I care about what it says about Kaachi? There's no guarantee that the stuff written on there is credible since it's all user-generated anyway and since that's the case, there's no reason for me to edit Kaachi's wikipedia page seriously either. Poke6668 (talk) 17:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Didn't anyone think of a compromise? Travelmite (talk) 14:00, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Fix timetable

Tried to update timetable but plagues with an error. Please can someone fix the timetable for me? 94.197.235.186 (talk) 10:33, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Inclusion of ATTI

I am questioning the relevancy of including information relating to ATTI in the opening paragraph. ATTI is an independent group, unrelated to Kaachi and FrontRow Records. The only thing they have in common is that ATTI includes three of Kaachi's former members. It is no longer the same group. -- Lalwp0 (talk) 22:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)