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MLR (scoring)

Hi Ham105, thanks for educating me on the scoring rules for rugby. As you know, it's a growing sport in America where I'm from so I'm still learning. I love this sport and want to know everything about it. Now I know what the 'm' and 'c' abievations are for. I thought the 'm' was for 'meter' for the meter marks on the field as where the try was originally scored from when the player started running with the ball. My mistake indeed! Feel free to edit my mistakes. Thanks again!

Sue Kastle (talk) 03:30, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

• Hi [[Sue Kastle, you're welcome, it's a fun sport to follow and it's great to have you adding to the editing of it on Wikipedia - Cheers -- Ham105 (talk) 05:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Sri Lanka Rugby

Hi Ham105. I noticed by your edits that you have been doing a fair bit of work on rugby-related articles. I'm currently in the throes of preparing an article on Sri Lanka Rugby Championship, currently known as Dialog Rugby League. The competition has been known as several different names due to sponsorship arrangements, which is why I settled on calling the article the Sri Lanka Rugby Championship. Anyway to cut a rambling message short, I would appreciate it if you could cast your eye over the draft and suggest/make any improvements before I contemplate moving it into the mainspace. BTW it is still a 'work in progress' and I still need to work on format & additional references. Dan arndt (talk) 03:55, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks for your feedback, am slowly working on them. Hopefully you can see the improvements, particularly the section covering the last six years of the competition. The further back in time the sparser the online references but am trying to track down what I can. Have started work on some tables but I'm having trouble with the team colours in the club table - Havelock SC is pink & gray but I can't find any svg that has those colours and I'm uncertain how to create one - any suggestions? 00:16, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• No problem. Nice work. I have used Scribus to create or edit simple .svg files. I think it is a free download but it might take you a few hours to learn how to use the software. For something as small as an icon though, you could also just create a .png file which is easy to do in most picture applications.

My suggestion would be to focus on the main text, though, and leave the team colours icons for now. You can publish the article in mainspace without those decorative things and add them later. Although one thing I did notice is that those diagonal striped icons are usually for rugby league, rather than rugby union ... but it's up to you.

You could probably merge the first two history subsections as well, as there's not much material in the second one. Perhaps just have Early years of the league: 1950 to 1984.

Regarding citations, are there any books published on Rugby in Sri Lanka? Might be an option. -- Ham105 (talk) 00:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• Didn't realise that you'd commented on your own talkpage, so only just found the above. You're right was getting too concerned about the decorative aspect - will come back to you on the team colour icons. Any good examples of rugby union .svg files I could look at. I will probably need your help when I am finishing up those tables.

Agree that the first two history sections should be merged unless I can find more info.

There is a definitive book, History of a Hundred Years of Rugby Football in Sri Lanka, unfortunately there aren't many copies floating around and there are no electronic copies I can find. Dan arndt (talk) 02:30, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

• A library might have the book - and some can arrange inter-library loans - just a thought. Some .svg rugby icons are here:" SVG Rugby union team colours. Some .png rugby icons are here: Rugby union team colours. If .png is good enough for the Ranfurly Shield, then it's probably good enough. -- Ham105 (talk) 12:56, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Have done a thorough search and no Australian libraries hold a copy of the book. Thanks for the links to rugby colours. Dan arndt (talk) 05:42, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

• I'm thinking that I'm fairly close to putting the draft in the mainspace. Are there any obvious improvements you think I can make? Dan arndt (talk) 11:40, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

• Nice work! I think go ahead and place in mainspace. A few things like the foundation dates for Air Force might be useful, if known, but things like that can be added to the mainspace article once it is on there. -- Ham105 (talk) 00:44, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

• Thanks for the heads-up - changed the logo from WikiCommons. Dan arndt (talk) 05:40, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hey man, it's all a bit of fun and games. No harm was done (at least I hope not). But yeah just relax its all fun and I was going to make things back to normal bro. I also just want to apologise for any inconvenience and will happily deactivate this account if I must. Kind regards, goodtimebenny Goodtimebenny (talk) 16:25, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Can you tell me why you removed my edit to Template:Infobox sports league

Hey, could you please tell me why you changed my edit to Template:Infobox sports league, removing the Chief operating officer?Bluesangrel (talk) 01:38, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I see you just changed it to coo instead. My bad. Never mind then. Thanks.Bluesangrel (talk) 01:43, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I made it the same logic as for CEO: see the diff. There was a bug because the #if syntax needed to be on the label rather than the data. -- Ham105 (talk) 02:18, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

1999 South Africa Sevens

Hey, thanks for adding the sources and making proper results tables on the 1999 South Africa Sevens page, makes it look a lot better. I had a look at the source that you added and it contradicts some of the info on World Rugby. I had changed the dates on the 1999–2000 World Sevens Series page to match given by World Rugby but the date given on your source rugby7.com were the original dates on the Series page so I don't know which one is right. For the moment I've left it as the dates on World Rugby but as the same problem arised on the 1999 Dubai Sevens page I wonder if World Rugby may have gotten it wrong. Are you able to shed any light on that? Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:17, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stevie, Thanks - and many thanks for creating the page. Yeah, I think using Template:Rugbybox is the best way to go for pool results so I thought I'd convert the details to that format. I didn't change your data, though (or even check it).

I've taken a look at dates for the Stellenbosch tournament and now believe that 10–11 December 1999 is correct, and not the 10–11 November 1999 as shown on the World Rugby result page. Reasons include:

1. This Newcastle Herald article dated 8 December 1999 which states that "Another fiery rugby sevens final between New Zealand and Fiji is a prospect this weekend in South Africa ..." - (I will add this third-party source as a reference with an archive link to the article).
2. This ESPN Scrum article dated 10 December 1999 which reports that the "six week ban on Fiji's sevens players Samu Saumaisue and Filimoni Delasau has been lifted after a ruling of the IRB, freeing both players to compete in the Stellenbosch Sevens."
3. The fact that 10–11 December 1999 is a weekend, whereas 10–11 November 1999 was on Wednesday–Thursday.

And a couple of other things for rugby articles:

1. An n-dash (–) rather than a hyphen (-) should always be used for scores (e.g. 36–3, not 36-3) in any football code.
2. An n-dash (–) should also be used rather than a hyphen for date ranges (e.g. 10–11 November).
3. Any wikipedia article should cite third party sources (see WP:3PARTY), and preferably with an archive link to combat link rot (see WP:CQR) – although the World Rugby website has a robots.txt which prevents archiving, there are media sites that don't have this problem.

Cheers -- Ham105 (talk) 12:42, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for letting us know. Just a couple of questions, is there a keyboard shortcut for an n-dash so I don't need to keep copying and pasting? Also, I wanted your thoughts on a couple of possible improvements I was thinking of making to the pages. One was a standings section at the bottom to show the top 5 teams in the standings as they stood at the end of the event, a section with the points that were awarded to each team, so like an overall standings from that event and a more easily accessible link to the previous/next event in the series. What d'you think? Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 10:45, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

• Hi there, Stevie - good ideas. You can click on a menu button in the Wikipedia edit screen to insert an n-dash – see the first button on the left circled in red in this screenshot (Note also the minus sign circled in orange ... this should be used in the points for-and-against column for negative values in rugby tables).

Another thing that should be included in the lead section of these yearly tournament articles is a link to the relevant tournament all-time summary page, e.g. the 2006 South Africa Sevens has a link to the South Africa Sevens in the opening paragraph.

Re: Standings section - that's a good suggestion. Other editors have previously included something like this. Perhaps take a look at the bottom of the 2006 South Africa Sevens page (I must admit to doing a few tidy-up edits to improve the formatting, but the basic table was already in place). In this example all the points awarded for the event are listed (as, indeed, are all the teams that have competed in the series). The header row includes a column for each tournament in the season. Labeling each event according to the host city (rather than the host country) is preferable to better distinguish between tournaments and teams ... e.g. using Tokyo Sevens instead of Japan Sevens (to refer to the tournament) as it is less likely to be confused with the Japan Sevens team (national side from Japan).

Re: More accessible previous/next links - another a good suggestion. Perhaps we could use the Succession box templates for this. Please see the bottom of 2006 South Africa Sevens page again for an example. The format might need some tweaking, however. Any thoughts? -- Ham105 (talk) 13:18, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ham105, Yeah, the Succession box template was exactly what I was thinking and the format you've got on the 2006 South Africa Sevens page is perfect for applying everywhere else. I was more thinking about a full results table for each edition with a top 5 as a separate section but having looked at the 2006 South Africa Sevens page, I think it makes more sense going with a format like that. I've edited it into the 1999 Dubai Sevens page. Have a look and let us know what you think and we can apply it consistently from there. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:37, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

• Hi again Stevie. I've added a section on the 1999 Dubai Sevens page for the tournament placings and made a few cosmetic changes under the Series standings section.

1. Used vertical alignment:top for the event headings
2. Used small font for all Source direct links
3. Added citations for the direct links to Rugby7.com (it might seem a belt and braces approach but will mitigate against link rot.

... etc.

It's probably good enough now to replicate the format elsewhere -- but take a look; see what you think.

One more tip that can occasionally be useful (if you don't already know it): The text at the bottom of the left hand sidebar on many Wikipedia pages contain links to the equivalent articles on Wikipedia in other languages. If you click on them and then use your browser to translate to English, extra information can sometimes be found -- particularly links to source material (and often even in English ... for example the German version of the 2000 Brisbane Sevens page has links to World Rugby match data.

However, because the World Rugby website uses robots.txt, I must say I don't much like it as source for Wikipedia. Not because there are a few errors with dates and so on, but because the pages cannot be archived for Wikipedia and will be subject to link rot. Other sources are probably a better option where available (although I haven't replaced any of the ones you added). -- Ham105 (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Hey Ham105, just been working through the Series and adding in the points and I've come across a little problem. For the 2000 Brisbane Sevens, South Africa weren't awarded any points according to Rugby7.com, even though they finished as Cup semi-finalists. I'm assuming they were excluded/disqualified but I can't find any sources to back that up so I wondered if you knew anything about it. For the moment, I've added the 12 points in the table on the 2000 Brisbane Sevens page but I won't go any further until I know more. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Stevie, I tried the foreign language wikipedia trick for this and it worked. The Polish version of the 2000 Brisbane Sevens page has this news item from ESPN the following season which says: "Last year South Africa were stripped of points from the Brisbane sevens for fielding players who were not eligible to play for them". On the Polish web page they have used a strikeout: 12 0 to show that SA's points were stripped. As a matter of interest I added a YT video link which mentions an SA player (Rauqe ?) who scored the last try in their semifinal loss here had played for several countries. It also showed that semifinal score as 45–7 (not 45–5) and the venue as Lang Park (not Ballymore). -- Ham105 (talk) 12:35, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

That's brilliant. I had been searching for Brisbane and it never even occurred to me to look for Australia. I'm guessing it's not the same Rauqe mentioned in the ESPN story as they haven't mentioned him playing for South Africa, just Fiji and Australia. It's not something I'd expect them to leave out but stranger things have happened. I'll put that on the Series page as well so there's an explanation for the missing 12. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 13:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

• Good work, yourself, Stevie (the reason I keep mentioning your name in replies is to try to ensure you get an alert because the conversation is on my talk page rather than yours). I've now put the note on the 2000 Brisbane Sevens page. The video said "Phillipe Rauqe" (?) so probably a different bloke, although possibly a relative. TBH I don't even know if he was ineligible, just took a guess.

Re: Different names for tournaments, it's been common for tournaments over the years to be referred to as X-city Sevens or Y-country Sevens (e.g. Brisbane Sevens or Australian Sevens). I think the IRB originally tried to go with the city designator, but, as you know, in countries such as Australia, South Africa, Scotland, etc, the tournament has been shared amongst more than one city. In terms of Wikipedia, we have (just about) adopted the convention of using the city designator for individual yearly events (2000 Brisbane Sevens, 2007 Adelaide Sevens ...) but the country designator for the overall page containing the all time summary (Australian Sevens). I would be happy to adopt this convention across the board but just haven't got around to being WP:BOLD about it yet. Any thoughts on this idea? -- Ham105 (talk) 13:37, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Apologies Ham105, this is me just seeing this. It's an awkward one because a precedent hasn't been set. Look at the most recent season, some are the country (2015 South Africa Sevens) whereas others are the city (2016 London Sevens). Might be worth bringing it up on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union or on the talk pages of the individual country pages.

However, there's no reason that we shouldn't be WP:BOLD and start creating the pages from season 2000–01 as the city rather than the country. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 20:58, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

PS- thanks for the e-mail, for some unknown reason I only got the notification and I can't actually see it.

Hey Ham105, I've 'created' the page for 2000 South Africa/Durban Sevens in my Sandbox. At the moment it's set-up as the Durban Sevens but it can be easily changed if you think South Africa is better. Have a look and let me know what you think. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 21:58, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

• Hi Stevie. Thanks, good points. I haven't tried an e-mail from wiki before but thought it might have gone via your normal e-mail provider to your (non-wikipedia) inbox.

Funnily enough, I think the naming of the annual events comprising the South African leg have a bit of flexibility. The recent tournament has been reported as the "Cape Town Sevens" in some quarters, for example, and the logo on the South Africa Sevens page mentions Cape Town rather than S.A. But I won't rush to make a change there just yet. I think your suggestion of creating new annual city name pages (such as the "2000 Durban Sevens") is the way to go, though.

The naming decisions I actually see as a bit tricky are more for overall tournament pages - most particularly London Sevens (but also Cardiff Sevens, Mar del Plata Sevens, and Wellington Sevens, and a few others).

In argument against my earlier suggestion, "London Sevens" is the clearly understood, commonly used name. If the England leg moved to, say, Manchester/Sale for a season then renaming the page to "England sevens" would make sense. But short of the fun-police making Twickenham unworkable, it's hard to see that happening.

Tokyo is not quite in the same category as the event has been reported in English language media as both Japan Sevens and Tokyo sevens in the past.

Interestingly, the Mar del Plata event has been recently relaunched as a proper international sevens tournament, but seems to have been renamed the "American Sevens". So perhaps these naming decisions need to be made on a case by case basis. City-states (or quasi city states) like Singapore, Dubai and Hong Kong are of course covered both ways. In some ways, London can almost be considered a city-state as well ;)

Think it might be best to leave pages like "London Sevens" as named, but use a few piped links and redirects where appropriate. -- Ham105 (talk) 22:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Hey Ham105, sounds like a plan. I'll go ahead and properly create the 2000 Durban Sevens page and we can move forward from there.

Also, I believe that is what is meant to happen with wiki e-mails and something's gone wrong on my end. Can't tell what but it might be something to with e-mail verification, though I've always got e-mails about comments on my talk page so I don't know what's up. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:43, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

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Sorry about that edit on Template:National Rugby Championship. I got confused, since the article name was still Western Sydney Rams, even though the current team name is Greater Sydney Rams. It should now be under its current name, which will no longer confuse me! TheMightyPeanut (talk) 05:13, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

• @TheMightyPeanut: - All good, and thanks for doing the page move. The team has reverted names (yet again) this season leading to much confusion all round. -- Ham105 (talk) 05:17, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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• Thanks, RedRose, I see my error. Do you have any comment on my proposed change over at the Project talk page? The sandboxed code doesn't repeat instances of the same id. But, essentially, I want to add section headers for readability. -- Ham105 (talk) 00:49, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Ham105. Sorry I'dont speak english. This references: [1] and [2] has changed ranking in 1970 ARFU Asian Rugby Championship:

• 1 Japan
• 2 Thailand
• 3 Hong Kong
• 4 Singapore

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Thanks @Minuanoencapital: I have amended the table in Asia Rugby Championship to reflect the placings above. -- Ham105 (talk) 04:43, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

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Hi there, as you noticed, I reverted some recent changes where you introduced the "quarter final" term, it's called the "qualifier" instead. Also, on top of that, you've made the change to refer to "Semifinalist" rather than "Lost in Semifinal". Surely that's ambiguous? The champions were also "Semifinalists". "Lost in Semifinal" indicates their participation ended at that stage, but "Semifinalist" could also be interpreted that the team could have progressed, or that the competition is still ongoing. Any reason why you used more ambiguous terminology? TheMightyPeanut (talk) 04:53, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi @TheMightyPeanut: "Semifinalist" is the standard way of describing the position achieved by a team (or individual) knocked out of the final four in a tournament – see examples below.

Yes, a semifinalist is also any team in a semifinal. But it's not the usual way of describing the final "position" of winners from such matches.

Note the word "position". This is the level of achievement we are recording in the infobox. We're not elaborating on the result (a loss) in the infobox, or the score (a 12–30 defeat in the case of the Hurricanes) in the match. A loss is never a position of achievement, by the way. It's the opposite of that, and puts the end to any achievement.

The "position" parameter within the infobox is only used for a team's final position (or positions, in the case of league + knockout formats, etc) for a given season. It shouldn't be updated for a team when the team's competition within finals is still ongoing.

Okay. Some usage examples, as I mentioned above:

• From rugbyworldcup.com:

1. New Zealand – Rugby World Cup 2015 champions
2. Australia – Rugby World Cup 2015 runners-up
3. South Africa – Rugby World Cup 2015 semi-finalist
4. Argentina – Rugby World Cup 2015 semi-finalist
5. Wales – Rugby World Cup 2015 quarter-finalist ... etc

• Pick through some searches – Olympics (boxing, athletics, etc), tennis, soccer, grand slam and so on.
• More rugby instances: "Wales, World Cup semi-finalists six years ago" ..(1), "semi-finalists Argentina also raised pulses across the world" ..(2)

On the recent changes where I purportedly introduced the term "quarter final": well, that did not happen. They're qualifier finalists. Please check your edit history again. Thank you. -- Ham105 (talk) 17:01, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Apologies for misreading it as quarter finalist ... but what on earth is a qualifier finalist? The round wasn't called the qualifier finals, so that is a synthetic term. I agree with your explanation of semifinalist above, except that "position" is specifically the level of achievement. Using your logic, a team that loses in the first round of a knockout competition will therefore have no position, since they never achieved anything at any point during the competition. (I realise that's a slightly off-topic example, however). I don't have a big issue with using the term semifinalist, I just think it's unnecessarily ambiguous. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 22:55, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi @TheMightyPeanut: The achievement is getting a starting position in the tournament, "Finals series qualifier". I see you've revised "Lost in qualifier" to "Qualifier" which IMO is an improvement, although perhaps not the ultimate answer. For the SR finals, the series now starts with the round of 8 so the matches are actually quarter-finals.

Sanzaar does, in fact, use the term "Quarter-final":

• Tournament format: "Quarter-final Hosts", "Quarter-final Wildcard spots", "Quarter-final Draw"
• Referees: referee appointments for the Super Rugby quarter-finals are merit-based
• Last two rounds : "quarter-finalists have been decided", "quarter-final seedings","Quarter-final Draw"
• Super Rugby-quarter-finals confirmed and Super-Rugby quarter-finals team of the week
• (6), (7), (8), (9),(10), (11), (12)

As do secondary sources:

1. Daily Telegraph missed out on a semi-finalist for the first time"; "The country’s sole quarter-finalist"
2. Rugby World "first time in Super Rugby history that a quarter-finalist had been whitewashed"
3. Sydney Morning Herald "hope of snatching a quarter-finals berth"
4. Bettingpro "Last season: Quarter finalist"; ... "2nd in Conference, Semi Finalist"; ... "Quarter finalists"
5. New Zealand Herald "in the quarter-finals"
6. Last Word on Rugby "Rebels made too many mistakes for a quarter-finalist"
7. Theprofits "Position (Division/Overall): 4th/Quarter-finalist", "Semi-finalist"
8. Sport24 "every region is guaranteed a quarter-finalist"
9. (9), (10),(11), (12)

-- Ham105 (talk) 01:19, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Hmmm, I owe you another apology. It looks like SANZAAR sneakily started calling it Quarterfinals from 2018 onwards. I'll revert my changes and change that for the necessary seasons. Sorry about that...! TheMightyPeanut (talk) 01:49, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi @TheMightyPeanut:. No need to apologise at all. I only searched and found the change in terminology myself as a result of these Talk Page posts. We discuss it through together in good faith and find out some things.

The change seems to have phased in for 2016 when the playoffs expanded to 8 teams – see the 2016 archive mentioning quarter finals. Compare that to the 2015 archive, when only 6 teams contested the playoffs, and it was described as the Qualifier round. -- Ham105 (talk) 02:22, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

That does make sense, actually. I'll change accordingly. The results archive showed "Qualifiers" until 2017, then used "Quarter Finals" for 2018. The 2019 Super Rugby draw (PDF) still mentions Qualifiers. But this is from an organisation whose website still refers to SANZAR, even though they changed their name to SANZAAR in 2016. TheMightyPeanut (talk) 02:35, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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@Careysederal46: It resulted in an unwanted line break. I have reinstated the original version -- Ham105 (talk) 03:14, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

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Thank you for your recent contributions to this article. It is in much better shape now than it was a few days ago. CUA 27 (talk) 22:52, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

@CUA 27: All good, was mainly adding citations for the yearly results which led to picking up a few missing/wrongly-entered team placings. Verifiable/complete info a primary goal; presentation a secondary. You may be pleased to know however that the "ghastly" blue boxes in these tournament pages have had some aesthetic treatment applied, being replaced with a line. :) -- Ham105 (talk) 00:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Ham105. Just thought I'd bring this here. Regarding the usage of "very tall" – I tweaked the sentence to reflect not having "us" (contributors, Wikipedia community) describe 2.11m as "very" tall. It reads to me as POV and opinion based i.e. it's a bit like saying "a blowout 100–70 win" – we don't need to describe the win, no matter how obviously true it is. No biggy though, I'm not overly fussed by it. Reply to me only if you feel the need to :) Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 12:57, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

@DaHuzyBru: In the interests of compromise I have removed the word "very" from "very tall" in describing Adams' father.

• Interestingly, Steve Adams himself – in a source already cited within the paragraph concerned – describes his 6'11" father as "really, really tall", in the context of his father being regarded a 'freak' for his extraordinary size.
• It's not necessary to remove such a description, but you're right that there's no need to include it either.
• Reporting someone of 6'11" as being very tall is not a controversial assertion. That height is more than four standard deviations above the mean - even if you take a generous average male height of 6 feet – where 5'9" is probably closer to the actual mark.
• As basketball fans, we also know that players listed heights are typically measured in shoes. So many of the players billed at 7'0" or even 7'1" are really more like 6'11" once you take off an inch (or 1" and change). Those guys are still extraordinarily tall.

However, I trust you are now more agreeable with the revised wording. -- Ham105 (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

I appreciate the response and the rationale you provided. I'm usually one to concede and compromise myself. All the best. DaHuzyBru (talk) 17:22, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

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Instead of removing the round summary results table, why not improve it instead? An encylopedia is indeed a database; a database of collective information. The data was sourced from each seasons wiki pages, which in turn is sourced from the World Rugby site https://www.world.rugby/sevens-series/standings/mens?series=1 . I hadn't gotten round to adding it in, but you could've, instead of deleting it. If one person (myself) wishes to see a summary of every nations results per round in the main wiki article, there's bound to be others who want to just go to the Sevens wiki page and see all of the seasonal and round results summarised in one place too. Just because you don't want it there doesn't mean it shouldn't be. ––BDigs153 —Preceding undated comment added 01:04, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

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• Hi MaskedSinger - and to you; the more the merrier. I mainly went in to pair up the unmatched list-defined reference, but then decided to also add an archive-url. Strictly speaking, the new chairman doesn't take office until 15 June,[3] but I just added a further citation containing that now, without further copyedit. -- Ham105 (talk) 04:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

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Hello Mr. Ham105! I am Arya, an Wikipedia User. I am writing this letter to thank you for your editing and contributions to the 2021 Dubai Sevens Article. I would like to thank you because I was also updating the article to reflect the current scores, but I had to stop due to other commitments.

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Yours Sincerely, RJ Arya — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryappa (talk • contribs) 03:10, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Aryappa, Thank you and a warm welcome for your editing of rugby on Wikipedia!

I did make a change to the way of listing scorers by using break tags [<br />] instead of just newlines to improve the page display (and the code) by making it slightly less vertically spaced.

e.g. Like this:

|try1=Nick Malouf 3'<br />Maurice Longbottom 11'</br />Dietrich Roache 13'

Instead of this:

|try1=Nick Malouf 3'

Maurice Longbottom 11'

Dietrich Roache 13'

Once again, thank you, and have fun editing the encyclopedia! - Cheers -- Ham105 (talk) 13:55, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

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But I have not the time yet to complete the women results of the Australian Athletics Championships so the article is just halfway. Arorae (talk) 21:14, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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