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  • James Anthony was marked as a copyright violation long ago, but seems to have slipped through the cracks until now. -- John Owens 14:17 26 May 2003 (UTC)
    • The author, 152.163.xx.xx and 64.12.96.xx, seems to have taken it upon him/herself to restore the page content with the following on the talk page:
      Please note that some of the text on this page is the same as posted on the website http://www.paulstillarockin.com/bushpilot. That website is The James Anthony Band website, owned by the band's drummer, Paul McKinnon. The text shown is James Anthony's musical biography & Mr. Anthony has given Mr. McKinnon permission to use it for publication. His biography has been published worldwide for promotional purposes.
    • It doesn't seem to me that giving Mr. McKinnon permission implies giving us permission in any way. And "publish[ing] worldwide for promotional purposes" doesn't mean it's in the public domain, or GFDLed. Also, this brings up the issue of Paul McKinnon page itself, as well, with a similar note in place on the talk page. I don't want to be too heavy-handed, so if I'm right here, could someone restore the boilerplate, and perhaps add it to the latter? -- John Owens 15:28 27 May 2003 (UTC)
      • P.S. Forgot to mention, I did not, however, find any copyright notice on the external site above, for what it's worth. -- John Owens 15:33 27 May 2003 (UTC)
    • "for promotional purposes" is a bad excuse. The Encyclopedia does not promote any point-of-view, and definitely not any "celebrity". --Menchi 21:14 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Pete Liddle - Content ripped from www.flamenco.com with the name Miguelita replaced by 'Pete Liddle'. Someone's little joke, I think. -- about June 9
  • Dragon Metal - Quite a proportion of it just rubbish, I can't find anything on the net to verify any of the rest of it either. -- Ams80 16:20 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Talk:Keshavianistic oligarchy and Talk:Keshavianistic Oligarchy
    • The former is the talk page of a deleted article; the latter is a redirect to the former. I did delete both without putting them on here, but my conscience is clearly in an overactive state tonight: I've undeleted them and I'm listing them on here, just in case anyone thinks I was doing anything underhand. :) I can't find anything on the deletion of talk pages of deleted articles in the policy pages. -- Oliver P. 01:44 3 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • PackBits/C source - subpage that only contains source code. -- Minesweeper 06:56 3 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I disagree. It's relelvant: it implements something discussed the PackBits article, and it even has comments. If it really bothers you, paste it onto the end of the PackBits article; there's no real edit history. -- Merphant 07:52 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Perhaps, but it still remains that Wikipedia is not "mere collections of public domain or other source material". In a case like this, we should just provide an external link to the source code. -- Minesweeper 08:07 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • Heh, while it's "source code", I don't think it really qualifies as "source material". It's just one implementation. There are surely free libraries that have packbits routines, but their source will be more obfuscated since it has to be integrated with the rest of the project. Until someone decides to enter the packbits algorithm, I think we should keep this; even if someone does write the algorithm, it will probably be in another programming language like Python or Java anyway. -- Merphant 19:38 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Trudy LeCaine zero relevant Google hits, large chunk of {acknowledged copyright material attached. Should go asap imho. jimfbleak 16:56 3 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Pepi I Meryre - copyright, probably copy-and-pasted from various websites, I found one for sure. andy 10:51 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Neutrosophy and related pages: This terminology seems to be used by Florentin Smarandache, who posted it, and (almost?) no one else. A Google search for Neutrosophy gets 676 hits: a search for occurrence
    • Remainder of discussion moved to Talk:Neutrosophy. Deletion is opposed by a plethora of new users, and Harry Potter. -- Tim Starling 07:37 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Please delete these pages. Practically all of the opposition to deletion comes from several new users who make no other contributuion to Wikipedia, and may very well be the same person. Mintguy 10:50 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Hello! As an example of application of neutrosophy in information fusion in finance for example there are some papers by Dr. Khoshnevisan and Dr. Bhattacharya, where the fuzzy theory doesn't work because fuzzy theory has only two components, while the neutrosophy has three components: truth, falsehood, and indeterminacy (or <A>, <Anti-A>, and <Neut-A>), i.e. about investments which are: Conservative and security-oriented (risk shy), Chance-oriented and progressive (risk happy), or Growth-oriented and dynamic (risk neutral). Other applications are in voting process, for example: FOR, AGAINST, and NEUTRAL (about a candidate) (<A>, <Anti-A>, and <Neut-A>). I think this is clear, if you want to hear it of course. New ideas always face opposition... arizonaval

(I posted it in two place being the same subject.)

  • This discussion started on June 5, 2003. Can I assume that, since there has been little or no opposition from genuine users, these pages will be deleted on the 12th? Evercat 23:09 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)



  • Gaia Theory (homeorhic) probably unncessary now
  • Gaia Theory (Lynn Margulis) similarAnthere 23:58 4 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Policy is to keep redirects. People might still have links or bookmarks. -- JeLuF 11:26 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Policy is not always very "bright". These articles are inside Wikipedia only linked from Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. As for being bookmarked, they have existed (both of them) as real pages, for a grand total of ... about 1 to 2 mn. I doubt very much anyone had the time to bookmark them, and that they would be missed by anyone. Do you have another argument please ? User:anthere
  • Paul Stacey is the creation of User:195.218.116.8. It appears to be pure garbage, which the user keeps trying to re-insert. Jim Regan moved its contents to the bad jokes page. John Owens has had to revert to Jim's version when 195 . . . tried to put his/her 'funny' garbage back in. I have protected the page stop 195 . . . inserting his 'humourous' gibberish again, so to allow us to decide what to do with this page and to stop people having constantly to do reverts. Should this page be simply removed or is there someone out there who can salvage it? Is there a real Paul Stacey who could be written about? Though it looked like pure bullshit I did not want to delete it but get people's advice first. FearÉIREANN 23:35 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Paul Stacey should be removed. Being in a band that's recorded a demo hardly merits inclusion in an encyclopedia - if it did I'd have pages written for most of my friends :) -- Jim Regan 20:33 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Inu-yasha to make a room to rename it to Inuyasha. It seems no one objects to renaming. -- Taku 03:54 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Doctor Christian Friedrich Samuel Hahneman
    Created the page, but hadn't checked that an article was already written. Furthermore the name has a spelling error. Sorry will be more thoughtfull next time.
    • New items at the bottom, BTW. Better suggestion, make a redirect of it. Unless it's a really, really unlikely spelling error. -- John Owens 07:44 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • List of notable eccentrics: What is the point in this? How can anyone objectively distinguish between when to name-call a person "eccentric" or a "non-eccentric"? This is prone to heavy and silly edit wars, and also violates the NPOV policy. -- Rotem Dan 17:03 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I agree. LittleDan 20:00 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • If the article is non-NPOV, then convert it to NPOV. If the article one what we don't need, then use redirect. I don't see any reason to delete that permanentally. Redirect is good enough. Don't bother sysops. -- Taku
      • What would you suggest as a reasonable redirection target? I can't imagine any ... -- JeLuF
  • Organic textbook aims to be a full textbook for organic chemistry. It does not belong in wikipedia, an encyclopedia. LittleDan 20:00 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Redirect instead, maybe to organic chemistry. --Menchi 21:14 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I disagree with deleting. I don't see any reason to delete that permanentally. Redirect is good enough. Don't bother sysops. -- Taku
      • Deleting a page is a 10 second task. :-) Evercat 01:27 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • You are slowing up, Evercat. More like 5. :-) Tannin
          • Tannin, don't forget to clean up VfD in the end. -- JeLuF
  • Frindle
    • weird jargon page -- Tarquin 07:36 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Not at all. It's a book. Sounds quite a good one to me, too. :) -- Oliver P. 20:15 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Kukes and Talk:Kukes
    • Essentially an anecdote from a person who stayed there briefly as a refugee during the Kosovo war. Magnus Manske moved it to talk. -- Tim Starling 09:24 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • Exactly how could this diary ever become encyclopedic? We don't even put up Anne Frank's diary up. --Menchi 16:02 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Oliver's made a pretty good effort. Think it's OK now. Evercat 22:06 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Jean Dezert
    • Probably self-promotion -- it's just a copy of Dezert's autobiography from his homepage. It reads like a CV. Also, he's associated with the man of the moment, Florentin Smarandache [2]. -- Tim Starling 10:05 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • The post-er is in France. Maybe some fan or student of Dezert's. --Menchi 16:10 7 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I am not a fan of Dr. jean dezert, but he organized an international conference on fusion in Paris, France, 2000. He is the secretary of FUSION organization, but you don't have anythink on fusion, do you? I read many papers of him in 3-4 international fusion proceedings, he is well known, and he is an expert of the Dempster-Shaffer theory of evidence. I propose to have this biography better structure, but to keep it in here. -- Arizonaval
      • Hello Arizonaval and welcome to Wikipedia. Interesting choice for a first edit, but your point is taken nonetheless. Indeed Dezert is an expert in information fusion (not to be confused with nuclear fusion). We have a small amount on the subject in Dezert-Smarandache theory, a page which was created two days ago by a new user. However, on this page neutrosophy has been labelled "crackpottery" and an "absurdist joke", and such allegations are to be taken seriously. Perhaps you can help us. How close is the relationship between information fusion and neutrosophy? Are they close enough to be tarred with the same brush? -- Tim Starling 07:22 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Hello from Phoenix. It happened that I read the previous message on neutrosophy. Neutrosophy, which is an extension of the fuzzy logic is been used in information fusion, because the neutrosophic has an excellent component for measuring the uncertainty what information fusion deals with. Phoenix
  • Hi Tim! As an example of application of neutrosophy in information fusion in finance for example there are some papers by Dr. Khoshnevisan and Dr. Bhattacharya, where the fuzzy theory doesn't work because fuzzy theory has only two components, while the neutrosophy has three components: truth, falsehood, and indeterminacy (or <A>, <Anti-A>, and <Neut-A>), i.e. about investments which are: Conservative and security-oriented (risk shy), Chance-oriented and progressive (risk happy), or Growth-oriented and dynamic (risk neutral). Other applications are in voting process, for example: FOR, AGAINST, and NEUTRAL (about a candidate) (<A>, <Anti-A>, and <Neut-A>). I think this is clear, if you want to hear it of course. New ideas always face opposition... arizonaval
  • Cartographic Congress - Do we really need an itenerary of the fun things participants are going to do during this Congress? -- Zoe
    • After reading up on it at http://www.twenteenthcentury.com, I've come to the conclusion that this "cartographic congress" is not important enough to warrant its own article. In fact, it doesn't appear to be a cartographic congress at all, it's an art exhibition at user:Harry Potter's favorite art gallery. I think I will write some more on this at Talk:Cartographic Congress... -- Tim Starling 06:09 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I deleted the article, but I couldn't bring myself to delete my investigation on Talk:Cartographic Congress, so I moved it to my user namespace. I hope no-one sees this as excessively conceited, but I think it was a pretty neat bit of work. -- Tim Starling 14:27 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • list of self-promoting scientists - title is inherently non-NPOV. --Robert Merkel 05:18 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • All scientists promote their own work. Would someone just say, "No, I don't think my research was valid. I came to a false conclusion using too small a sample size and faulty logic" LittleDan 01:09 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Feneberger -- An account of research into a family name, If this is removed the link from Mythology also needs removing. -- sannse 10:58 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Ha. I have vanquished the fiendish article. It was quite a rambling thing, wasn't it? But it contained some information on a castle in the Tyrol by the name of Feneberg. So I moved the page there, and chopped out anything that didn't relate to that castle or its environs. Most of the chopped out stuff was editorial speculation, with some information on historical linguistics which may be salvageable from the page history if anyone would like to give it a go. Unfortunately, I can't find anything verifiable about this castle, although I have found reference to a hotel/restaurant by that name... -- Oliver P. 14:57 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Twenty-four historical books - no explanation as to what is so special about these 24 books -- Zoe 23:26 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Google proved to be a handy resource, giving a page from its cache on the Twenty-Four Histories. Apparently these are a seminal collection of works on Chinese history. I've written a short introductory paragraph, but it could use some work by someone who actually knows something about the subject. -- Wapcaplet 23:48 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Image:Daggeru.jpg - Why is this photo on Wikipedia? User:Vikings is uploading a number of photos which he claims to be copyrighted, not this one included, which seem to be in violation of the Wikipedia copyright policy. -- Zoe 02:15 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • The image you refer to (uploaded by User:Kils, not User:Vikings) is an illustration for the robe article, which has been written by Kils. As for the copyright thing, it's perfectly acceptable for a user to upload photographs that they own the copyright to; in fact, it's encouraged! -- Oliver P. 02:35 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • No, it was uploaded by Vikings. He is making a copyright notice as he uploads the pictures, and does not indicate that he intends to release them to the Wikipedia. This is not in accordance with Wikipedia policy. -- Zoe 02:41 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • @ != © - Hephaestos 02:51 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • Image:Daggeru.jpg was uploaded by Kils. Check the upload log. User:Vikings is in any case a project run by Kils and his friends; I'm sure that those images by Kils that they have uploaded have been uploaded with his permission. If not, we can leave it to him to object, can't we? And of course any image legally uploaded here is automatically released to the Wikipedia: the uploader has to tick the box that says, "I affirm that the copyright holder of this file agrees to license it under the terms of the Wikipedia copyright." -- Oliver P. 02:56 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • Maybe Kils or Vikings could confirm this, but I get the impression that they are stating "Copyright by Uwe Kils" just to make it clear that they have permission to be giving them to Wikipedia. I think it's good! We could definitely use some more illustrations around here. -- Wapcaplet 11:35 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
          • Dear wikipedians! I feel honored that you spent so much time discussing a topic which was absolutely clear from the begining. As requested I state here thad I do hold the copyright of this image, and gave it to the wiki project for free us. If you don't trust me again feel free to visit us (you can stay in our house, and my younger son will show it to you and you can make a better picture and upload it to replace mine. Just send me an email or use the telephone, because I am often on business trips or sailing - sincerely yours ---- uwe kils
            • Thanks for clearing that up. It's not a question of not trusting you, it's just that the copyright status of all images needs to be crystal clear. Theresa knott 13:09 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • Anti-systemic library (Is this a real thing?)
    • No Google hits if the search is done with quotes. (ie for "Anti-systemic library"). Seconded. Evercat 20:18 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • There are however hits if you search for "systemic library" (in quotes). I'm not quite sure what the point of an anti-systemic library would be, but it's possible. -- goatasaur
    • Firstly, the existence of its opposite in no way shows that the thing itself is important. Secondly, the article is useless anyway. "An anti-systemic library is being created at the London Action Resource Centre in Whitechapel." That in no way helps me to understand what the heck such a thing is. Evercat 20:30 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • Assuming it is real, it should be a part of London Action Resource Centre article. --Menchi 21:11 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • That would be grand. Evercat 21:12 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
  • List of compounds without articles Is this a sort of wish-list for compunds? Why not just include it on List of compunds?? Gorm 11:14 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
    • I went ahead and integrated the two at List of compounds, mostly because we conventionally don't make separate articles for lists of things that do/don't have their own article. Seems pretty obvious that the ones in red do not have articles :) -- Wapcaplet 13:27 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
      • List of compounds is a page very dear to my heart, because starting it was one of my first contributions. Since its inception, it has only included compounds with articles. At the time I wasn't aware of the precedent from other "list of" pages, but more recently I have justified this by pointing out that there are 6 million chemical compounds in CAS, and that there's no point in creating broken links to all of them. user:Shellreef, a new user, added half a dozen article-less compounds to list of compounds. I removed them, citing the intro. S/He started List of compounds without articles in response. I'm still against including article-less compounds unless a clear inclusion test can be defined, but that's a discussion for Talk:List of compounds, not here. In summary my position is that List of compounds without articles should be deleted, and entries in List of compounds should only be added at the time of article creation. -- Tim Starling 14:05 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
        • Tim, supposing I was inspired by a red link to create an article on some compound. How would I know that list of compounds even exists? If common compounds were added to that list, even if they were red linked then it wouldn't matter if, I knew abou the link or not. Theresa knott 14:30 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)
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