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Welcome to my Talk Page. Please use the box above, or manually enter new messages at the end of my page. I try to check for messages frequently. Vaoverland 06:14, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

Redirects and proofreading

I just read your comments over on Template talk:US class 1. I've seen some of your writings already as I update Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains/Todo and I must say that your contributions are certainly more thorough than I've seen others make. As I see a new railroad article, I'll usually make a quick pass over it to ensure that spelling and punctuation are as correct as I know to make them. Also on my first pass, I'll do a couple of quick searches to fix any "red links" on the page, adding redirects or correcting links where appropriate. If you write a railroad article that you know you want proofreading help with, edit Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains/Todo and add it to the "Articles to improve" section so it looks something like "Norfolk Southern (proofreading)". You can also add {{todo}} on the article's talk page and then edit the page's todo list to include a note about proofreading (see Talk:4-6-0 for an example of an article todo list), but adding it to the project's Todo page is more likely to be seen by other users.

As I find other locations that would make good places for redirects, I'll usually add them (like this morning I created the redirect for CNW to point to Chicago and Northwestern; there are quite a few others that I'm adding into the Lists of TLAs as well. Regarding historical names for a railroad, if there should be or if there is an article with the historical name, then it should be a link. If the historical name was merely a different name for the same subject, then it should generally not be a link within the article (as it would be a circular link), but a redirect using the historical name may be appropriate. My guideline so far has been to create a redirect for a historical name or a railroad nickname if I think the alternate name is well known enough that someone might use it as a search string. Whether it's a historical name, a nickname, a reporting mark or whatever, I'll typically linkify only the first instance of the string in an article.

HTH. slambo 13:47, Oct 27, 2004 (UTC)

Auto carrier Auto-rack Auto Train and Auto-Train Corporation

I created Autorack about a week before you created Auto carrier. The two articles should be merged, as they both have good information in them (mine is more historical on the development and yours is more focused on current usage in passenger service). May I suggest that we combine our efforts into Autorack as that article was created first (yes, there is a little bit of bias :) ), and also because my friends who work for railroads call them autoracks and not auto carriers? Thoughts? slambo 16:50, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

Sean, that's an excellent suggestion. I will work on it right now, but feel free to edit away. I will merge the stuff from my article into your as I have all the photos and a few others available and the copyright criteria from TrainWeb, which we will meet with the new and improved autorack listing. I also know where to go and change the working for internal links in several other railroad articles I have been working on. Please take a look at Seaboard Coast Line. Someone added in a section that doesn't seem to fit. I am hesitant to alter someone else's work. All in all, I think we are making a lot of progress in railroad articles. Please also look at Auto Train in particular, as I think it may warrant a nomination to be a Featured Article. I think it would have broad appeal, especially to families and younger Wikipedia users. It's mostly my work, so someone else should do fac nomination if warranted (hint, hint). Mark. Vaoverland 02:30, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

UPDATE: autorack articles has been consolidated from auto carrier under this heading, and internal links in a number of related articles have been updated. I saw a photo of a what looks like at tri-level railcar full of cars with a 1964 date in the NRHS article. Do we have a bad date for development of tri-levels saying its was in the 1970s? Vaoverland 04:06, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly what I was hoping we could do. I like the result. I'm searching through my photos to see if I've got a good side shot of one of these cars, and I also want to add in some text about Trailer Train's involvement and the fact that Trailer Train owned the cars while individual railroads owned the racks. I haven't read Auto Train yet, but it's been on my list as one to look at soon. I'll check out SCL later this week too. As to the date for trilevel cars, now that I think about it, I've seen some other photos of them in the 60s as well (one notable example in my collection has a trilevel car carrying new Sunbeam Tigers; I've got a '66 Tiger in my garage); . slambo 11:55, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

TrainWeb will allow use of any of its photos, but most I have found are passenger equipment. I read the tri-level in the 1970s in 2 different places, but the photo in NRHS story you linked to says 1964. And, I think that's right. I've got articles started in SAL, SCl, ACL, and RF&P. Bill Griffin Jr., an author belongs to my yahoo groups and we e-mail trying to get him to help with those, as he has written several books on them. I think Auto Train might be a winner for featured article status due to broad appeal of subject. My William N. Page article was nominated, and it is good, but I would think that the subject isn't as interesting to younger Wikipedia readers especially. I can hear the CSX trains on the Rivanna and North End subs from home on the James River about 2 miles west of pier 5 on the bridge connecting the old ACL and RF&P (Rich Folks and Preachers), You will need to organize a section for "When Good Acronyms Go Bad" for stuff like that. SCL was named when they realized what their first choice Atlantic Seaboard System would spell. 12:17, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Ha ha! That's a good one. I'd only heard about C&NW (Cheap and Nothing Wasted), O&W (Old and Weary) and SPSF (Shouldn't Paint So Fast). I suppose we could start an article about US railroad humor...  :) slambo 14:49, Nov 16, 2004 (UTC)

Sean: After a lot of thought, I think that most of the Auto-Train Corporation article should be consolidated into the Auto Train article, leaving a short item on the fallen flag and a "see also" to make sure readers can get the rest of the story. I will make that a project for tonight. I also have asked TrainWeb for help with TTX photos. TTX is one of their advertisers, so that might not be too hard. I got permission from the photographer to use caboose photo from the original Auto-Train (now in that article), which adds interest and appeal. I still think we have a featured article candidate here, and may go ahead and place it for nomination. Thre only good one in transport area is Air Force One, which is worth a look. Can you get something started on the P40 and B36 types so they aren't dead links. I have a B36 photo of an auto-train loco we can use. oh, and one more WGAGB: CSX = Combination Still Experimental. Mark. Vaoverland 03:24, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Well, there's one more red link down; I just added dome car starting with text that I first added to passenger car and then adding some more of the history of the car type. I should be able to get something on the two locomotive types later tonight. slambo 12:31, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

I was just working on the article, and saw your new dome car entry within 5 minutes of creation. Excellent! I have nominated the Auto Train article for featured article candidate status. Vaoverland 12:39, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Boy, it's easy to get distracted. I've been looking through my photos to find a U36B that would work for an article on the type, but found a bunch of others that I added to other new (like Observation car and Tank car) and existing (like Caboose) articles instead. I found a U30C, but no U36B yet. I did find a couple of side shots of autoracks, but I was standing too close to the tracks or I was zoomed in to close because the entire car is not visible in them. Maybe a little more searching will find something... slambo 12:01, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

So it's started in the morning, but at least it's started. I put up some text for GE U36B, but there's still more that needs to be added to it (like adding the specifications and expanding the History section). Now to look through my books to find more information... slambo 16:09, Nov 20, 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations

I finally got around to checking if William N. Page actually became a featured article, and see that it did. Nice work. Because of the large overlap of content, I'd think it best to wait a month or so, but after that, if you don't nominate Virginian Railway as an FAC, I will (assuming I remember). Niteowlneils 19:32, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks. I think some of William N. Page could be edited down, but I am working on enhancing the Virginian Railway article, and don't want it to get too big either. We finally found a published photo of Page, but we cannot use it. Vaoverland 19:43, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Henry Rogers

Henry Rogers contains a ton of stuff from other websites. I presume that's temporary, and that you're only using it as a base for your information. -- user:minimum. That's correct. Most of it came from other WP articles. Vaoverland 12:53, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC) The working copy, which has information at least 6 sources, has been moved to Talk:Henry H. Rogers/Draft. It will take some time to do it the way I in tend to. Vaoverland 18:24, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Manchester

I liked your addition to the Richmond page. I never knew that bit about Manchester! Good work. --MaxPower 21:13, 2004 Dec 1 (UTC)

Thanks. I plan to go to Va. Historical Society to look over some old manuscripts regarding the 1910 consolidation. Vaoverland 18:21, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Auto Train

Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you--very time-consuming computer problems have kept me mostly off Wikipedia most of the past week. By the time I looked at the article, Raul had removed it 6-8 hours earlier (and several others), since it had been more than a week. While Jeronimo didn't use the words oppose or object, I think it may be difficult to get it featured without addressing the comments. The 'sources' one should be easy--just move some of the appropriate external links to a new =References= section, and maybe find an applicable book or two to add to the list. The other is a bit tricky--maybe some of your on line enthusiast buddies live near the line and can take and submit pictures? You could also try posting on Wikipedia:Requested pictures, and perhaps leave a short note and link to the appropriate section of that page on Wikipedia:Village pump. Maybe go to forums related to the cities served by Auto Train, and ask for people's help in submitting any pictures they have (or are willing to take) to Wikipedia, either as public domain, or a 'copyleft' license, such as {{GFDL}}, {{Cc-by-sa}}, or {{Cc-by-sa-2.0}} (GNU Free Documentation License and Creative Commons Licenses). Good luck. Niteowlneils 05:19, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks.

I have contact with G.R. Harper who has agreed and encouraged use of his photos. These, along with those from TrainWeb, should be OK, but I do not know just what process to follow to get proper permission and use them. I have read a lot of the stuff you suggested, but I still don't seem to get it. Help? Vaoverland 06:35, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Images and copyrights really aren't one of my specialties, but I think Jeronimo's query related to clarifying exactly what rights the photo owner was giving you/Wikipedia. A GFDL or CC license, or what. A 'you can use, but no one else can' probably is not acceptable, as the rest of Wikipedia content is mirrored on many other sites. 'Non-commercial use only' may be iffy, as some of the mirrors seek revenue thru ads. You might want to ask User:Jeronimo for clarification. (PS see this--I assume this is what you intended.) Niteowlneils 17:43, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"Enhance My Search" nightmare: virus, spyware, help!

I am battling a "Enhance My Search" nightmare on one of my home computers. It jumps up whenever you open Google or Yahoo searches, and opens a window in front of either. Whether it open in a windows or not, it adds language to your text in any apparent attempt to create links to certain words (IE "work"). None of the programs I have used so far have been able to get rid of it. Vaoverland 06:36, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Vaoverland. Most results from a Google search seemed unhelpful, but try the instructions from this particular CastleCops thread ( http://computercops.biz/postp377005.html ) and see if that helps. Bumm13 07:44, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Firefox! =) Oven Fresh 22:11, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    • If you want a clean version of IE, instead of/in addition to Firefox, and the usual suspects (AdAware, Spybot S&D) were unable to help, you might try Hijack This, which should be able to get rid of practically everything, but it requires you to manually identify the offending spyware from a list of possible offenders on your machine, so it is preferable with a bit of computer knowledge. Wålberg 18:38, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Regarding using Firefox instead, I do not want to give up on IE explorer because I just recently started using the IeSpell program (recommended by other WP users) which has turned out to be a big help with my typing transposition disability I have to overcome. I will trust advice from here which was right on target with the ieSpell program, and face with the rather complicated procedure to try to get rid of Enhance My Search. Drat! I fortunately have more than one computer, but the stronger one is the sick one (of course!). I'll update here with news on "how it goes". Thanks for all the help folks! Vaoverland 20:40, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Try http://www.download.com/Spybot-Search-Destroy/3000-8022_4-10289035.html (and be careful what you say "yes" to in the future ;) )Niteowlneils 17:43, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • Shazaam! It seems that following the CastleCops thread [1] carefully worked. The dreaded Enhance My Search window is notpopping up in front of Google and Yahoo searches and my text is not being attached by insertions of weblinks to Enhance My Search. I suspect the duplicate text noted in the preceding message was done by my computer. SBTC (sorry 'bout that chief). Now, if only I can keep from getting EMS again! I am running ad-aware and Webroot's Spysweeper programs. Thanks to all for the help. Vaoverland 02:01, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Re: Chesterfield Railroad

Got your message. I've got some extra time this afternoon, I'll take a more thorough look at it then. slambo 11:43, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

I am working on Richmond and Danville Railroad also. Vaoverland 11:53, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I found an extensive list of named passenger trains at http://monon.home.insightbb.com/mpages/pn.html --K4 pacific 02:40, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

WikiProject Trains

I have been doing a lot of research and some article work on things related to Virginia's railroads.

1. some older railroads don't seem to have AAR symbols and/or logos 2. project would benefit for a consistent way of indication of progression/succession to current major US railroads 3. individuals are becoming identified, some rather obscure

I want my work to fit in properly, and would appreciate some guidance, and help so I can concentrate my work on content. The following are suggestions/problems for the coordinator for Wikiproject Trains. I do not have a problem with eliminating some which may be considered inappropriate for the project or WP.

Thanks for any help! Vaoverland 22:01, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Vaoverland To/do Listing

Railroad towns and cities

Predecessors to current US railroads

Commuter Lines, Misc

CSX predecessors

NOTE: The following are CSX predecessors.

NS predecessors

NOTE: The following are NS predecessors.

Miscellaneous to/do articles

Listing of WP articles which I would like to write or improve.

Vaoverland's References for all WP work

Books

  • Barger, Ralph L. (1983) Corporate History of Coal & Coke Railway Co., Charleston, Clendennin & Sutton R.R., Roaring Creek & Belington R.R. Co., as of Date of Valuation, June 30, 1918. Baltimore, MD: Baltimore & Ohio Railroad Historical Society.
  • Cartlidge, Oscar (1936) Fifty Years of Coal Mining Charleston, WV: Rose City Press.
  • Conley, Phil (1960) History of the Coal Industry of West Virginia Charleston, WV: Educational Foundation.
  • Conley, Phil (1923) Life in a West Virginia Coal Field Charleston, WV: American Constitutional Association.
  • Corbin, David Alan (1981) Life, Work and Rebellion in the Coal Fields: The Southern West Virginia Miners, 1880-1922 Chicago, Illinois: University of Illinois Press.
  • Corbin, David Alan, editor (1990) The West Virginia Mine Wars: An Anthology Charleston, WV: Appalachian Editions.
  • Craigo, Robert W., editor (1977) The New River Company: Mining Coal and Making History, 1906-1976 Mount Hope, WV: New River Company.
  • Dix, Keith (1977) Work Relations in the Coal Industry: The Hand Loading Era, 1880-1930 Morgantown, WV: West Virginia University Institute for Labor Studies.
  • Dixon, Thomas W, Jr., (1994) Appalachian Coal Mines & Railroads. Lynchburg, Virginia: TLC Publishing Inc. ISBN 1-883089-08-5
  • Frazier, Claude Albee (1992) Miners and Medicine: West Virginia Memories Norman, OK: University of Oklahoma Press.
  • Huddleston, Eugene L, Ph.D. (2002) Appalachian Conquest, Lynchburg, Virginia: TLC Publishing Inc. ISBN 1-883089-79-4
  • Lambie, Joseph T. (1954) From Mine to Market: The History of Coal Transportation on the Norfolk and Western Railway New York: New York University Press
  • Lane, Winthrop David (1921) Civil War in West Virginia: A Story of the Industrial Conflict in the Coal Mines New York, NY: B. W. Huebsch, Inc.
  • Lewis, Lloyd D. (1992) The Virginian Era. Lynchburg, Virgina: TLC Publishing Inc.
  • Lewis, Lloyd D. (1994) Norfolk & Western and Virginian Railways in Color by H. Reid. Lynchburg, Virginia: TLC Publishing Inc. ISBN 1-883089-09-3
  • MacCorkle, William (1928) The Recollections of Fifty Years New York, New York: G.P.Putnam's Sons Publishing
  • Middleton, William D. (1974) When The Steam Railroads Electrified (1st ed.). Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Kalmbach Publishing Co. ISBN 0-89024-028-0
  • Reid, H. (1961). The Virginian Railway (1st ed.). Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Kalmbach Publishing Co.
  • Reisweber, Kurt (1995) Virginian Rails 1953-1993 (1st ed.) Old Line Graphics. ISBN 1-879314-11-8
  • Sullivan, Ken, editor (1991) The Goldenseal Book of the West Virginia Mine Wars: Articles Reprinted from Goldenseal Magazine, 1977-1991. Charleston: Pictorial Histories Pub. Co.
  • Striplin, E. F. Pat. (1981) The Norfolk & Western : a history Roanoke, Va. : Norfolk and Western Railway Co. ISBN 0963325469
  • Tams, W. P. (1963) The Smokeless Coal Fields of West Virginia Morgantown, WV: West Virginia University Library.
  • Thoenen, Eugene D. (1964) History of the Oil and Gas Industry in West Virginia Charleston, WV:
  • Traser, Donald R. (1998) Virginia Railway Depots. Old Dominion Chapter, National Railway Historical Society. ISBN 0-9669906-0-9
  • various contributors (1968). Who Was Who in America Volume I (7th ed.). New Providence, New Jersey: Marquis Who’s Who
  • Wiley, Aubrey and Wallace, Conley (1985}. The Virginian Railway Handbook. Lynchburg, Virginia: W-W Publications.

Periodical, business, and on-line publications

  • Beale, Frank D. (1955) The Virginian Railway Company 45th Annual Report Year Ended December 31, 1954. published in-house
  • Cuthriell, N.L. (1956) Coal On The Move Via The Virginian Railway, reprinted with permission of Norfolk Southern Corporation in 1995 by Norfolk & Western Historical Society, Inc. ISBN 0-9633254-2-6
  • Dept. of the Navy - (2004) Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships - article on steamship William N. Page. Washington DC: US Naval Historical Center
  • Huddleston, Eugene L, Ph.D. (1992) National Railway Bulletin Vol. 57, Number 4, article: Virginian: Henry Huttleston Rogers' Questionable Achievement
  • Reid, H. (1953) "Trains & Travel Magazine" December, 1953 "Some Fine Engines", Kalmbach Publishing Co.
  • Skaggs, Geoffery - (1985) Page-Vawter House Project in Ansted Ansted, WV: Fayette County Government

Misc References (unsorted)

Image:Vgn-36 south norfolk.jpg license and source?

There is no license nor source info on Image:Vgn-36 south norfolk.jpg. Can you let us know? Thanks, —Morven 01:15, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

I have added information. I hope this is correct way to do this. Vaoverland 02:47, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Replying to the call for help

Hey there. Saw your note. In future, I would prefer if such notes would be done on my talk page; add new discussions to the bottom of the list. That way I don't have to move them myself and WP will automatically put an attention box at the top of whatever page I'm viewing when there's a new note there (so I don't have to rely on checking my watchlist to see the note). I should probably put something on my user page about such a preference as I've seen done on other user pages. Oh well, I'm having too much fun finding and adding railroad data. B-)

Anyway, to answer your questions... You've probably noticed that I took a look through Chesterfield Railway. As I added the infobox, I was also thinking about the AAR reporting marks issue, and wondering how best to put it in the box. In the end, I thought it best to leave that field blank. Perhaps we could come up with some verbiage to indicate that railroads such as this ceased to exist before the AAR was formed and therefore the railroad doesn't have any "official" reporting marks...

On the Wikiproject:Trains todolist, I don't think I have a good answer for you right now. I started the todolist merely as a way to indicate articles that have not yet been written or that I found needed improvement in some way or another. There was talk on some article's talk page recently about system maps for the railroads that we're documenting here. I'll probably build a subsection of the todolist to address this need at some point too; I just haven't taken the time to do it yet.

I don't think anyone's put a priority on what subjects need to be covered. If I had to put a priority on article creation, I guess I'd say that the major railroads need to be documented first and then we work out from there filling in red links and building and completing lists based on those articles. As far as I'm concerned, I don't see any reason not to include at least one article on every railroad that ever existed in North America. In fact, I see it as a challenge to find and publish as much information as I can. I choose articles to write based first on subjects that I know a little about (like with Passenger car), then move on to subjects that interest me but that I don't know as much about (EMD BL2), and finally to subjects that I have to research to find out information beyond the most basic (John Bull (locomotive) or American Car and Foundry).

Okay, I'm rambling now. I guess the best answer that I can give right now is to keep going with writing the articles that you want to write. Until the todolist is much, much shorter than it is now, I don't think there will be any shortage of good article subjects. There are several more that I plan to write but haven't added to the todolist only because I want to be the one who writes them. B-)

So, does this help? slambo 01:54, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, it think it helps. I will use your talk page in the future, and try to keep my projects organized on my talk page, which you are welcome to review. I am also writing on subjects where I have good, multiple sources, and mostly some personal knowledge. Vaoverland 02:50, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

  • While I do some original writing from my personal knowledge and recollection, most of what I write for Wikipedia is compiled from multiple sources, including other Wikipedia articles, books, magazines and periodicals, special collections, information including some special collections held by organizations such as Virginia Historical Society, Library of Virginia, West Virginia Historical Society, Virginia Tech, University of Virginia, and many others. I also do a lot of web searches looking for specific information. Depending upon my perception of the veracity of the information source, I try to verify something from more than a single source before including it in an article. I also look further when I find conflicting information, which usually amounts to misspelling or incorrect dates, particularly on older subjects and sources. I am grateful for the access I have to the writing of others.

I agree to multi-license all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

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Vaoverland 22:15, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Work in progress

I understand that your article was a WIP, but it included content from other sources, and as such I had to remove it as a copyvio. I know that by the time you were finished, it would have been reworded enough that it would no longer be a copyvio, but the copyvios would still be in the history, meaning we'd still be breaking the law. Sorry about this. Do feel free to do your rewriting in Word before posting it here. Thanks. - Vague | Rant 11:16, Dec 12, 2004 (UTC)

Ok, I suppose I understand, but... Vaoverland 11:23, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No need to apologize. As for what happens, the admins will move your stub article into place after about a week. Possibly sooner. Good luck. - Vague | Rant 05:39, Dec 13, 2004 (UTC)

Autotrain images

Vaoverland, you asked me about the pictures for autotrain. In general, pictures you use should be released into the public domain, or under a license such as the GFDL. Other license are sometimes possible. More details can be found at WP:ICT. That's about all I know about it too, so if you still have further questions, I recommend the WP:VP. Jeronimo 07:27, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

NPOV on bus collision

Your preaching on the 'horror' of 'that terrible night' in Bus Accident at Carrollton, Kentucky in 1988 is shocking. Please remember that Wikipedia is neutral. 119 04:02, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No harm intended. However, it was a horrible accident. When compiling it, I treid to leave out some of the more gruesome details, many of which were published in the media. I do have strong feelings about prevention of a recurrence. If the article needs help with NPOV, how about some help? Vaoverland 16:29, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Rail suburbs

Vaoverland - good bits on the rail suburbs of RVA... I have lately realized how tremendously the streetcar lines influenced and motivated the development of Richmond's near suburbs. I recently saw some postcards of the parks you mentioned... would be nice to get some of those in the article if available??. I read your bio and recalled that you might be interested in a book for sale at the RVA visitors center downtown... all about the RVA rail systems. MPS 22:01, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words. The problem we run into with old postcards, etc. and image in general is the question of whether they in the public domain. I would love to see some included. I have been pretty busy working on content for some other articles, but would like top see the Richmond one improved. I recently completed initial articles (could use improvements) for Chesterfield Railroad and Richmond and Danville Railroad. One of the Virginia Overland companies I formerly headed was the successor to the company which operated the Richmond-Ashland and Petersburg-Hopewell interurban lines prior to 1939. I have a good general understanding of where the streetcars in Richmond and Petersburg ran, etc. Glad to help with anything streetcar ro railroad related which may be worthy of more detail. Vaoverland 23:17, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

"consist"

Sometime if you or one of your rail buddies has time, it would be great if you could find a way to work in the noun definition of consist at the first usage in Autorack (and any other articles you've used it in, and preferably add it to Rail terminology). I have a larger vocabulary than most native English speakers, and I still had to look it up to find the definition in this context. I don't think I'm familiar enuf with this usage to do it myself. Thanks. Niteowlneils 04:17, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Excellent observation! This use of the word seems to have developed in railway use as a way of abbreviated way to describe a listing of the individual rail vehicles in a train. I have added a short article consist and an entry on the railway terminology article. I have also added internal links in the Autorack, Auto Train, and Auto-Train Corporation articles. Vaoverland 09:26, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Battle of Hampton Roads

Looks like I did a pretty thorough proofing about 6 weeks ago, so I didn't find much to change. One sentence seemed to imply that the Portsmouth drydock had the iron plating, which I "fixed" with a couple commas because I couldn't come up with anything better, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if there isn't a less kludgy way to address the problem by re-casting the sentence. Nice work, as usual. Niteowlneils 05:41, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Pieces of the iron plating from the CSS Virginia are on display at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard at Portsmouth. Thanks for your support. Vaoverland 05:54, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

FWIW, the sentence I was referring to was "The CSS Virginia was rebuilt at the Gosport Shipyard at Portsmouth in the first dry dock in America with ironclad plating..." which I changed to "The CSS Virginia was rebuilt at the Gosport Shipyard at Portsmouth, in the first dry dock in America, with ironclad plating..."

OK, that certainly was poorly-worded. Thanks. Vaoverland 07:54, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)

Can you tell me where you got the map that you used for this image:

? The only info listed is that it's a state map from 1858 or 1859. Can you provide more info, so I can maybe get a higher resolution version? Thanks. --brian0918&#153; 05:34, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Virginia map 1858-59

Sure, and congrats on the Battle of Hampton Roads featured article! It is my second, and with several failure, I can attest that it is not easy to accomplish. The map came from the library of Virginia website. They have 4 old state-sponsored maps of the entire state (on-line), one done around 1827?, and then a revision put out in 1858-59. The on-line version has ability to zoom sections, etc. You can get a lot more detail if desired. I used the later, multi part version, and zoomed in to get the Hampton Roads area as it was presented just before the Civil War. I have read both dates in various places (1858-59).

Here is the link: http://lvaimage.lib.va.us/cgi-sid/local_image.cgi?ox=0&oy=0&filename=/BPW/maps/712-4.sid&referer=http://lvaimage.lib.va.us/BPW/indexes/711-712.html&title=++STATE+MAPS+OF+VIRGINIA.+1827,1859.+&res=3&size=12&part=1&fullwidth=4602&fullheight=2981&parts=0

In case that long link doesn't work, go to Library of Virginia, the maps you want are in the Board of Public Works Collection, under County and sate Maps, near the end. http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/gov/bpw.htm

I am also interested in other Virginia Civil War activities, and have a good book on the Peninsula Campaign (To the Gates of Richmond, by Stephen W. Sears.

I prefer to work on content items, so let's stay in touch and maybe we can collaborate? Let me know how the Library of Virginia things goes, I'll be glad to help if needed.

Again, congratulations on the Battle of Hampton Roads. Vaoverland 05:53, Dec 26, 2004 (UTC)

Hi, you got the wrong guy.. I wrote the Brandy Station Foundation article, not the Battle of Hampton Roads one.. — Nathanlarson32767 (Talk) 05:57, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've added a few more pictures to the Battle of Hampton Roads article, and replaced your map with a map I found that lists ship positions during the battle. The image isn't very clear, but my library carries the article that it is from (Century Magazine, 1885), so I may be able to check the magazine out and scan a much clearer map, as well as the other images in the magazine article, such as those shown here: http://www.rugreview.com/cw/cwj1.htm . --brian0918&#153; 07:00, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Henry H. Rogers and Staten Island

I'm afraid I can't offer much in the way of Rogers involvement in Staten Island transportation. I know the trolley in Staten Island came to grief early and put their systems in City hands, which was an unfortunate circumstance, since subsidized city competition brought an end to passenger service on the East Shore and North Shore lines of the SIRT in 1953.

You may already be aware, but Staten Island Railroad, SI Railway, SIRT Railway, SIRT Railroad, all refer to what is now the Staten Island Rapid Transit Operating Authority (aka Staten Island Railway) for passengers and the Staten Island Railroad for freight. -- Cecropia | explains it all ® 08:05, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Bus

Hi, just wanted to say nice job on adding to the bus article over the past day or so. -- Solipsist 09:40, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

MdTA

I took care of fix the MdTA stuff that you added and cleand up som of the links. Thanks for adding the info that you did and if you can expand on any of the articles that would be cool. I was reading you user page and it seems we have a fair bit in common and a lot similar, when i was a kid i was diagnosed with add, it's since made my life, in my opinion, a living hell, espically in the past year. Anyway thinaks for the help and all. --Boothy443 10:06, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Midnight Oil

Up late tonight i see--Boothy443 10:32, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Cool i'll take a look at the articles, and i'll vote for the skyway, been over it my self a couple times. As for my work, IATA coeds for most of the major airlines in the world, i have nothing else better to do, and i am a big Avation nut, so i like those kinda things. --Boothy443 11:27, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

thanks. Vaoverland 11:31, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Civil War

Hey, how well versed are you on the civil war?--Boothy443 06:36, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I would say moderate. I am in Richmond, Virginia. I am most familar with events in Virginia, particularily the 1862 Peninusla Campaign and the 1864 Overland Campaign, Seige of Petersburg, etc. I do not know much about the western front. Vaoverland 06:41, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)
FYI, I just finished work on Tredegar Iron Works and Joseph R. Anderson articles. I have been monitoring (but not participating) in the debate about the NPOV issue of the American Civil War article. Vaoverland 12:32, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC)

Midnight Oil once more

Kewl kewl, i'll have to take a look at the articles. As for the civil war thing, i am not involed in that "big" argument, i made my points, changes were made for the best, i think it could be better, but i am no scholar on the war, be better left to someone that is. --Boothy443 10:46, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Walt's Carolwood Pacific Railroad

I am a railroad and transportation nut. As much as you enjoy all things Disney, you might want to do a little research and help write an article about Walt Disney's Carolwood Pacific Railroad. It is on my to-do list, but I haven't gotten to it (yet). Here are some links:

If you do, I would appreciate a note when the article is ready for reading. I have enjoyed your other Disney articles. Vaoverland 10:44, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

I've just looked at the Carolwood article - it's amazing. I never knew you wanted an article of that size! Looking back on the original article, my writing was pathetic - sorry! You have done a fantastic job. *clap* Andy, 17:00 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Autorack is used as an example of good style

I just added a stub for Flatcar and in checking the "What links here" link, I found that the Autorack article we both worked on is now referenced as an example of good Wikipedia style in Wikipedia:Annotated article (referenced in Wikipedia:How to edit a page, Wikipedia:Tutorial (Formatting) and Wikipedia:Tutorial (Wrap-up and more info)). This was a bit of a surprise to me, but a pleasant one nonetheless. B-) slambo 20:52, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

I meant to let you know I'd used it. I explained why at User talk:Slambo. Niteowlneils 21:28, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

You may be right on the lack of a book for Autotrain, but there were a few magazine articles as listed at [2]. I'd been thinking lately about transferring some of my writing experience here into dead tree editions (I talked with the head librarian of the Kalmbach Memorial Library at the NMRA convention about this last summer), but wasn't sure what topic I would want to research/write about. Maybe it's time that I start looking into this possibility more thoroughly... B-) slambo 21:59, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)

Carolwood Pacific Railroad

I've put the article on Wikipedia. Now, no way at all do I believe it's finished, or is informative enough. That's where you come in. I know you were too busy to do the article in the first place, that's why I'm hesitant in asking for your help but I would very much appreciate it if you added everything you know about it to the article. It's been a pleasure working with you by the way, anything you need doing to do with Disney transportation/Disney that your too busy to do yourself, just ask.
Andy, 19:52, 12 Jan 05 (UTC)

Crossing Jordan

Thanks for the help on Crossing Jordan. I just fixed up the article, particularly the "Characters" section. Check it out and, if you feel necessary, fix any inaccuracies that I make.

...Jeez, I can't believe I missed Lorraine Toussaint (I actually wrote her article, the first article I ever wrote from scratch). I'll add it in a minute. As far as the detective goes, I left him off because I didn't know anything about him. If I find anything, I'll add that too. ral315 02:50, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

Battle of Hampton Roads

As soon as the article became featured, I posted on Wikipedia talk:Tomorrow's featured article, requesting it be put on the main page. There had already been a few battle articles on the main page around the time that I put in the request, so they waited a few weeks. Finally! --brian0918&#153; 02:05, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Mark. Congratulations! Not just an FA, but a 'today's FA'--outstanding work. As you probably remember I recently did most of the work to resolve objections to San Jose, California, but it's probably too dry a subject to be a TFA. Today I started doing the same type of work on Dawson's Creek, which probably would have a better chance. Again, nice job. Niteowlneils 02:18, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Peninsula Campaign

I'm not sure if campaigns should have battleboxes. I think for now I'll just add its campaignbox to the page. --brian0918&#153; 23:03, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Delaware Memorial

Dosen't 40 cross it on it's way to AC? --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 11:26, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yes I believe it does!

Jubal Early

I have been dueling with this guy StopHillary'08 for a while on this page. He keeps restoring his old version, which includes grotesquely long quotes, lots of typos, and a copyright-violation image. Now I guess he's been trying to get around my reversions in another way. Fun in Wikiland...

big_hal 02:12, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Mahone

I reviewed your William Mahone article. Very comprehensive. What is your source for his middle initial? My primary source, Eicher's "Civil War High Commands," doesn't list a middle name. And Google comes up dry.

big_hal 17:57, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Mahone

Interesting that that exhaustive geneological info never expands the T. Men of that era used middle initials a lot more than today [and a lot used their middle names instead-- Porter Alxeander, Dodson Ramseur, etc]. I checked through the ORs and he didn't sign his correspondence with the initial. Oh, well.

I haven't heard of Ranson, so I can't be much help there. My semi-focus has been on the Battle of Gettysburg and famous people and units involved there, but I do find WP irresistable in taking me to corners I didn't expect, where I feel compelled to clean things up. :-)

big_hal 01:20, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've been trying to find his middle name, but no luck. I couldn't even find a source with T. The only one that I saw that seemed like it might be legitimate was a C. --brian0918&#153; 01:44, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

message posted to N&W historical society, 2 yahoo groups I moderate

I am working with several other editors on several articles for Wikipedia of interest to N&W historians. We are trying to find what the letter "T" as his middle name stood for in the name of William Mahone (1826-1895).

For the benefit of anyone not familiar, Mahone was the Confederate Major General who built the Norfolk and Petersburg Railroad between 1853 and 1858, including the famous roadbed through the Great Dismal Swamp which is still in use today by Norfolk Southern. Popular legend has it that he and his wife Otelia Butler Mahone named the stations along the 52 mile tangent from Suffolk to Petersburg from Ivanhoe, a novel she had been reading, and invented the name for Disputanta. One of their three children was William T. Mahone Jr.

Any help would be appreciated. The usual Civil war and Genealogical sources we consult are coming up without an answer. Also, any errors or improvements in the articles would be appreciated as well.

The links to the articles are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Mahone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otelia_B._Mahone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_and_Petersburg_Railroad

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norfolk_and_Western_Railway

Teachers and schools are using Wikipedia extensively as a research resource for today's kids who are very computer-savy. We'd like to get good, correct, and interesting content for these articles. Again, any help from rail-sources would be especially appreciated.

Yours in Richmond,

Mark Fisher, co moderator Virginian Railway Enthusiasts group on yahoo Richmond Rails group on yahoo

More Mahone

I've been looking on ancestry.com for information on Mahone, but haven't found many specifics yet. I posted some of the stuff I found in his talk page. If you are able to get to a library with newspapers on microfilm, check his talk page for a list of papers that mentioned William Mahone. I was going to post it here, but the list got pretty long. --brian0918&#153; 04:20, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Alexandria

Nice job on the Alexandria, Virginia history ... since my parents still live there, I should have done more before now! (How do you do this "add comment" box, by the way? Very cool.) - DavidWBrooks 22:01, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

comment box

I'd love to have your comment box on my talk page. Did you invent it yourself? (By the way, I grew up in Fairfax County - back in the 70s, that was a whole world away from Richmond. These days, I think the Greater Washington Metropolitan Blob has swallowed all of 95 down to the capital building, and maybe it's eyeing Petersburg!) - DavidWBrooks 13:19, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

The comment box works great. - DavidWBrooks 14:26, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Virginian Railway

OK, I've nominated it--good luck. Thanks for the Dawson's hint--there isn't a whole lot on the Web about it (even IMDb doesn't know about it), but I found two articles saying they did some filming on the UoR campus in 1999, so I'll add it. As for Autorack and Auto Train (Amtrak), I think they are probably only missing explicit references--in my mind, I assume some or all of the external links provided some reference material, but, from what I've seen, there are several people who will object to any article that doesn't have explicitly stated references. A couple Web links and one print book, explicitly labeled "References" would be almost certain to avoid those objections. As for William Mahone, I think I need to read it when I'm more awake--the other articles I've looked at before, but this one is totally new to me. I do have some ideas to address a couple things I noticed. More later. Niteowlneils 17:08, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

From what I've seen, the duration partially varies because Raul seems to tend to process them in batches once or twice a week. The timing was also unfortunate in that I noticed I happened to post it right before you were off Wikipedia for a few days, so you weren't around to respond to the comments and keep the discussion moving forward. I would hate to see all that pre-history info disappear, so I would strongly encourage you to put some thing like "See main article: [[Pre-history of the Virginian Railway]]" (or some other title) at the top of the condensed section, and put the full version on that page (it also might make it easier to write the condensed version, since there won't be the worry of deleting anything entirely--it'll all be there on the sub-page). I'm sure Raul has no beef with you--one oppose and one 'I can't support yet' is pretty objectively a failed nom. I had never visited the FAC page until relatively recently, and I tend to only read the discussions of articles I'm interested in so, while I know some things that are guaranteed to get oppose votes ('too many redlinks', 'too many lists', and 'no references'), I'm sure there are others I don't know (yet). Someone butchered San Francisco, California pretty badly, so I'll probably work on fixing that before I go back to Dawson's Creek--I'm also a bit chicken--'prosifying' the cast and crew sections will probably be my single biggest edit to date. Niteowlneils 00:47, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Great Lakes Storm of 1913

I'm going to be writing an article for the Great Lakes Storm of 1913, and created a map of the shipwrecks. Any comments? Things to add/remove/change? Thanks. --brian0918&#153; 01:53, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

William Mahone

OK, I have a few things, nothing major. First (in article order, not necessarily importance) the Battle of the Crater gets kinda lost at the end of the list of other battles--I'd start a new paragraph with the "William Mahone was widely regarded..." sentence. I'd also add a very brief (maybe 20-30 words) summary of what he did that gained him that distinction. The battle article seems to imply that MG Johnson's men were the primary victims of the blast that made the crater--I'll write my suggestion (not word-for-word, just what approx. level of detail I'm thinking--there are probably better ways to word parts of it) assuming that, and if I am wrong hopefully you can use it as a model for a description of what really happened:

As part of a larger plan of attack, Union forces surreptitiously planted and set off an explosive charge under a key Confederate fort ["in the area"?], killing approximately 300 soldiers under the command of Maj. Gen. Bushrod Johnson, and dampening the surviors' morale with such a successful surprise attack on such a key installation. When Union soldiers made the mistake of trying to attack by going straight through, and thus down into, the crater, Mahone was credited with rallying his and Johnson's remaining troops to counter-attack by firing down from the rim of the crater, winning the battle while losing only 20% as many men as the opposition. He was promoted to a Major General as a result..."

OK, so I went way over my suggested word count, but hopefully you get the idea: enuf about the crater-creating incident to set up why Mahone's getting his and Johnson's men's in position, with spirits up enuf to win the battle, would have been a challenge, and thus heroic.

Second, much simpler. The VSU founding is a little hidden, especially heading-wise. I'd suggest putting a == or === header above it's paragraph, something like "Railroad sale funds used to found a university". Something that will catch someone's eye if that was the part of the intro that interested them most, and they're scanning for details about the univ. (I was going to complain there was no follow-up to the comment in the intro until I used my browser's text-find feature).

Third, the first sentence in the highway paragraph in the Heritage second seems to be actually a sentence fragment--a lengthy desciption of a subject, and nothing else; and the second sentence is a bit jarring to me at the ", and". I think the paragraph needs a copyedit to be clear, self-contained prose. Maybe something like:

There is large portion of U.S. Highway 460 between Petersburg and Suffolk, that parallels the 52-mile tangent tracks of the railroad he engineered. As the road passes through some of the towns he and Otelia are believed to have named, sections in several counties surrounding those towns are labeled "General Mahone Boulevard" and "General Mahone Highway" in his honor. [assuming all the changes I made are accurate--I am assuming a correlation between the towns named, and the counties using his name on roads, without knowing if that is true.]

Finally, I have, and think others would have, issues with using the word "Trivia" for a section header for a discussion of his being a slave-owner; slaves' descendents might find it offensive, and given how close it was to the Civil War, it seems of some import. I would make the heading something more, um, academic, like "Historical footnote" or something like that. I'd also add some context to the front like "As was common in the Southern United States at the time, although increasingly controversial, William Mahone owned slaves. As of 1860, he owned...". Or it seems to read better as a single sentence, making the year parenthetical, as in "...controversial, William Mahone owned (as of 1860) 7 slaves, all black...".

Oh, just remembered one other nit. Some might find "beautiful monument" too POV, mostly due to its imprecision. Looking at the pic of it here, "imposing granite monument" (or "compelling" might be better) or something else a bit more specifically descriptive like that (again, assuming some assumptions I'm making are correct--that it is granite, and there is nothing but more rough stone above where the pic cuts off) might get around that.

So, that's it. I didn't bother doing any fact-checking, as collecting and verifying info seems to be one of your biggest strengths--I was mostly looking at organization and readability and Wikipedia style, and all the rest is fine. Niteowlneils 05:37, 2 Feb 2005 (UTC)

OK, now I understand why you didn't want to over-emphasize his part in the VSU roots. In keeping with Wikipedia's NPOV values, thus having bios with both laudable and nefarious, or even just questionable, facts present, I think you should add a sentence about questions about his motives. If a historian or author stated it explicitly, quote them. If it's just inferred from his other political actions at the time, maybe say something like: "Given his other actions at the time, largely to gather support for his newly founded political party, his role in establishing the college likely also had political motivations." or "Given his drive to gain political power after the war, his role in establishing the college likely had political motivations." Does any library near you have "William Mahone of Virginia. Soldier and Political Insurgent" by Nelson Morehouse Blake (none of mine do--probably not too surprising, as West Coast libraries would have little incentive to pony up for rare books about East Coast generals)? It seems like it might be the best source of info on William, and hopefully Otelia. If not, there is apparently a copy of the actual book (note that the others listed are not only even pricier, but are 'print-on-demand' with disclaimers that illustrations might not reproduce correctly, plus it takes up to a month or two to get them) for sale fairly near youfirst hit (Williamsburg), but it isn't cheap--$100.

New ship table template

I've spent the last few days working on a new ship table template to enable us to centralise the editing of things like weapons outfits for a particular class of ships in one template (so with the Fletchers or Gearings or other big classes you only have to edit in one place to alter a mistake rather than in dozens or hundreds). Please have a look at the WikiProject Ships page's talk section and see what you think. I haven't written the instructions for using it yet, and I want to see whether there are any table cells people would like me to include that aren't present yet. There are two example tables, one with all the optional cells present, and the other with some excluded. David Newton 14:12, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jubal Early

I'm actually quite quick at editing [when the system cooperates], so I don't mind the Jubal Early changes. I did suggest to the guy that he clean up any that I didn't have in my watchlist. We'll see.

On Walter Taylor: I can provide you some info on his ranks, promotions, etc. if you want to include them. I see the picture you selected is a clip from one I saw here: http://webpages.charter.net/mkmjr/, which you may find useful.

On JEB: I can make some improvements to the military section if you'd like. BTW, in "dashing image, sword, and plumed hat" be aware that all cavalrymen of the era had swords.

big_hal 21:07, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Comments

Mind taking a look a a major edit i am doing and giving some comments on it, it's at Detroit, Michigan/Temp--User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 00:44, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Yeah the transit system is Detroit is strange, their are seperate systems in the city and and in the suburbs, they hardly mesh (stops for the two are sometimes blocks apart), and their service out of area is extremely limited, DDot has a large system in coverage of the city but it's not know for it's relibality, i recall redaing articles in the Freep about people waiting hours on end for a bus. As for amtrak, it bairly serves the city, and train service is a shadow of what it used to be in the Michigan Central days, the sataion is basically a modified am-shack. I know GM has their HQ still their in the Renn Center, and i think their the only one that has any plants. As for wrting, i am maily cleaning it up, compre it to Detroit, Michigan and you can see the diffrence.

tagging articles

Please put semi-permanent templates like {{expansion}} that only are useful to editors, on talk pages (the only major exception I can think of would be the different stub templates). This is to Avoid self references as much as possible and make our content more useful to third party users. Thank you. :) --mav 09:03, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

N/P

Yeah, no problem, gives me something to do. --User:Boothy443 | comhrÚ 18:16, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Colonial Parkway

I have no current plans to add anything more to the article; do what you wish with it. As for a map, remember that US Government stuff is public domain; the official site probably has a decent map. --SPUI (talk) 14:31, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Trimble

Hi. Would you consider reviewing my article on Isaac R. Trimble and sprucing up the railroad portion? Thanks.

big_hal 21:55, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Bridge-tunnel==

Nice photo. I must admit that I'd had in mind something more like a line drawing showing a simple example of the bridge-tunnel scheme, but the photo certainly helps. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:23, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

William Mahone and Norfolk and Wester

Thanks for the responses to my inquiries about the South Side Railroad. It appears clear that it began as two words, and operated under that spelling during its lifetime, although the name stated with a single word "Southside" became used by others very early. This reminds me of the many places where we find Virginian Railway described without the final letter "n". Try a Google search on it if you want to see what I mean.

After reading Nelson Blake and others about William Mahone, it is easier to appreciate why so many things developed as they did. In writing (editing) information for Wikipedia, the goal is presenting factual information from a neutral point of view. With a controversial figure such as WM, this takes some effort. You have to admire much about the man and his accomplishments, but he made lots of enemies including many former friends.

Richard Prince quotes him as saying "Well, who in the hell can I cuss out if not my friends?" That kind of sums it up rather well.

I will be working on articles for the N&W predecessors AM&O, SSRR, and V&T, and let y'all know when I have more questions or we are ready for review and tweaking. One other thing: There is a need for more description and details of the Roanoke Shops in the N&W article. Would anybody here like to provide some content? You can edit it yourself, or I would be happy to use any appropriate content which comes in text form here in the group or via my email.

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