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The Vote has started. Please vote!

There are a total of 10 points to vote on.
The voting period starts on Friday, February 18 0:00 and ends Friday, March 4 0:00
Do not edit the questions voted on. Discussion is on #Discussion or Talk:Gdansk/Vote/discussion.

This page is a vote to decide the usage of the name of Gdansk/Danzig. This is a source of edit wars on dozens of articles mentioning the city on Wikipedia. There is a lengthy discussion on Talk:Gdansk and its archives, listing nearly every argument imaginable. Numerous previous attempts to reach a consensus have been unsuccessful, hence requiring a vote to end dozens of disputes and edit wars. Due to the complexity of the problem, there are six periods to vote for, plus three additional clauses. To avoid further edit wars, an enforcement is also voted on, allowing the revert of edits that violate the guidelines determined by this vote.

  • The vote will start on Friday, February 18 0:00 and end after two weeks on Friday, March 4 0:00
  • An absolute majority (50% or more) wins the vote, where neutral and abstain votes are excluded.
  • Each vote below contains two options, any user of Wikipedia in good standing may vote once for every of the question voted on.
  • Please sign your name using three tildes (~~~) under the position you support, possibly adding brief comments afterwards. Extended commentary should be placed below, in the section marked "Discussion" or at Talk:Gdansk/Vote/discussion.

There are a total of 10 points to vote on.
The voting Period starts on Friday, February 18 0:00 and ends Friday, March 4 0:00

VOTE: Period before 1308

Before 1308: A city in Pomerania, part of Poland. The name used to refer to the city before 1308 should be:

Danzig

  1. Smerdis of Tlön 04:50, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gdansk

  1. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  2. --Roo72 00:45, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  3. --Forseti 02:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  4. john k 03:29, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  5. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  6. Chris 73 Talk 03:40, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  7. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  8. -- Esbi 04:00, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    Note: User has a total of two contributions so far, both on this page. ([1]) -- Chris 73 Talk 04:06, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  9. --Bart133 (t) 04:17, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

VOTE: Period from 1308 to 1454

1308: Teutonic Knights: The name used to refer to the city between 1308 and 1454 should be:

Danzig

  1. Chris 73 Talk 00:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Carrp | Talk 00:19, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  3. OwenBlacker 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  4. john k 01:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  5. Austin Hair 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  6. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  7. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  8. --Bart133 (t) 04:21, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  9. Smerdis of Tlön 04:51, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gdansk

VOTE: Period from 1454 to 1466

1454: Prussian Confederation: The name used to refer to the city between 1454 to 1466 should be:

Danzig

  1. Chris 73 Talk 00:32, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. OwenBlacker 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  3. john k 01:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  4. Austin Hair 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  5. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  6. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  7. Smerdis of Tlön 04:52, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gdansk

  1. -- Esbi 04:05, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Note: New user, only edits so far are on this page -- Chris 73 Talk 04:26, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

VOTE: Period from 1466 to 1793

1466: Second Treaty of Thorn returns the city and Royal Prussia to Polish suzerainty: The name used to refer to the city between 1466 to 1793 should be:

Danzig

  1. OwenBlacker 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Chris 73 Talk 01:36, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  3. john k 01:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  4. Austin Hair 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  5. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  6. Smerdis of Tlön 04:52, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gdansk

  1. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  2. --Forseti 02:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  3. -- Esbi 04:08, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • Note: New user, only edits so far are on this page -- Chris 73 Talk 04:25, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

VOTE: Period from 1793 to 1945

1793: Second Partition of Poland. Becomes a part of the Kingdom of Prussia, and again from 1813/1815 to 1920. Free City of Danzig from 1807-1813/1815 and again 1920-1939. From 1939 it is annexed by Nazi Germany. The name used to refer to the city between 1794 to 1945 should be:

Danzig

  1. Chris 73 Talk 00:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Curps 00:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  3. Carrp | Talk 00:20, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  4. Henrygb 00:49, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  5. OwenBlacker 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  6. john k 01:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  7. Austin Hair 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  8. Timrollpickering 02:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  9. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  10. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  11. Smerdis of Tlön 04:53, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Gdansk

VOTE: Period after 1945

1945: Seized by the Soviet Army, given to Poland: The name used to refer to the city after 1945 should be:

Danzig

Gdansk

  1. Curps 00:08, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  2. Chris 73 Talk 00:09, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  3. Carrp | Talk 00:20, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  4. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  5. --Roo72 00:44, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  6. Henrygb 00:49, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) (usually without a diacritic)
  7. OwenBlacker 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) (and I'd prefer the diacritic consistently to be used)
  8. john k 01:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  9. Austin Hair 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  10. Timrollpickering 02:13, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  11. -- Forseti 02:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  12. —Charles P. (Mirv) 03:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) This one, at least, is obvious.
  13. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  14. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  15. -- Esbi 04:13, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

VOTE: Biographies

In biographies of clearly German persons, the name should be used in the form Danzig (Gdansk) and later Danzig exclusively. In biographies of clearly Polish persons, the name should be used in the form Gdansk (Danzig) and later Gdansk exclusively. Persons controversial follow the guidelines according to the applicable period as decided above. Similar applies to other place names in the region that shares a history between Poland and Germany.

Agree

  1. Chris 73 Talk 00:09, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Carrp | Talk 00:20, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  3. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  4. Henrygb 00:50, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) For 1945 and earlier, otherwise just Gdansk
  5. OwenBlacker 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) (I'd support Danzig for German persons after 1945 as well)
  6. john k 01:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  7. Austin Hair 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  8. -- Forseti 02:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  9. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  10. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Disagree

VOTE: Cross-Naming Gdansk/Danzig

The first reference of one name for Gdansk/Danzig in an article should also include a reference to the other name, e.g. Danzig (now Gdansk, Poland) or Gdansk (Danzig)

Agree

  1. Qualified: After 1945, references should be to Gdansk alone. -- Curps 00:25, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  2. The first mentioning does not hurt, even after 1945, I think -- Chris 73 Talk 00:27, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
    • In articles about clearly modern subjects (mention of the Gdansk Shipyard in an article about Solidarnosc, mention of modern sports teams, even List of airports in Poland) it would be as out of place as putting Straßburg in every article where Strasbourg is mentioned or Königsberg in every article where Kaliningrad is mentioned. The controversy is over historical naming; the English name in reference to current events and situations is not controversial to English speakers — though it may be to a segment of German speakers, this is the English Wikipedia. -- Curps 00:41, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  3. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  4. Henrygb 00:52, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) For 1945 and earlier, otherwise just Gdansk - as Curps
  5. OwenBlacker 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) (ditto Gdansk post-WW2)
  6. Austin Hair 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  7. -- Forseti 02:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) - IMHO should be Danzig (now Gdańsk) or Gdańsk (former Danzig), also agree with Curps - limit to historical context only
  8. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  9. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Disagree

VOTE: Cross-Naming General

The naming of many places in the region that share a history between Germany and Poland are also a source of edit wars. For these places, the first reference of one name should also include a reference to other commonly used names, e.g. Stettin (now Szczecin, Poland) or Szczecin (Stettin). An English language reference that primarily uses this name should be provided on the talk page if a dispute arises.

Agree

  1. Chris 73 Talk 00:09, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Qualified: After 1945, references should be to Szczecin alone. -- Curps 00:25, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  3. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  4. Carrp | Talk 00:41, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  5. OwenBlacker 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) (and no objection to post-War use of Stettin (now Szczecin) in articles other than its own)
  6. john k 01:57, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  7. Austin Hair 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  8. -- Forseti 02:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) - IMHO should be Danzig (now Gdańsk) or Gdańsk (former Danzig), also agree with Curps - limit to historical context only
  9. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  10. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Disagree

  1. Disagree, just link to the article in question.--Roo72 00:42, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

VOTE: Enforcement

Violations against the rule established by the outcome of this vote can be reverted as simple vandalism. In more complex edits, only the place names can be reverted as simple vandalism according to the outcome of this vote, additional changes are not considered simple vandalism. The reverted user should receive a note or link of the vote results on this page. Persistent reverts in violation of the outcome of this vote may be dealt with according to the rules in Wikipedia:Dealing with vandalism.

Agree

  1. Chris 73 Talk 00:09, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Carrp | Talk 00:21, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  3. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 00:37, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  4. OwenBlacker 01:18, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  5. with the (obvious?) caveat that if there comes to be a consensus that the policy isn't working, it can be changed. john k 01:58, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  6. Austin Hair 02:10, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
  7. Timrollpickering 02:16, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  8. -- Forseti 02:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) - and do enforce it
  9. Jayjg (talk) 03:33, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  10. Adam Bishop 03:56, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Disagree

  1. Geni 00:21, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  2. Disagree - policies can change over time, nothing is set in stone forever --Roo72 00:40, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
    • This vote is here because in previous compromise attempts, some parties just ignored any majority decision. The goal of this question is to give more weight to the majority decision. -- Chris 73 Talk 00:57, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
      • "More weight"? Either something is agreed or it isn't. If one is set to ignore any agreement no amount of "weight" is going to stop a person like that. Policies are usually set after a period of discussion (in that case read “reverts” instead of discussion). Perhaps some time in the future a new wave or generations of Wikipedians will decide to change the policy and they will start a discussion – they should not be treated like vandals.--Roo72 01:15, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
        • I don't believe this policy is meant to last until the end of time. If this policy is accepted, but it turns out that it doesn't work well, surely a new policy could be discussed and voted on. Carrp | Talk 01:23, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
  3. Henrygb 00:46, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) Agree with Roo72

Discussion

Discussion on 10 VOTE: Enforcement

The vote is aimed to resolve a large number of naming disputes. Of course, future votes may override the outcome of this vote. Until then, valid results of this vote are the community consensus, and should be enforced. I think the enforcement is possible even without an extra vote on enforcement, but to be on the safe side, I have added this as a vote topic. Previously, any compromise or majority view was ignored by one party, leading to dozens of revert wars. This vote is there to stop revert wars and to enforce community consensus. -- Chris 73 Talk 02:58, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

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