Talk:Red Dwarf
For an August 2004 discussion on what this page should be named see: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Red Dwarf
Anyone able to import the illustration from the Swedish version? http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Red_Dwarf.jpg
- Able, yes. Willing, no - I'd want to know more about the source of the image first. —Paul A 00:56, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- It is also interesting to note that the multi-ethnic cast of the British original (John-Jules is black, Charles mixed-race, and Barrie and Llewelyn white) was replaced by an entirely caucasian one for the American pilot
It might be interesting if it were true. Hinton Battle (the Cat) wasn't caucasian last time I checked, though. —Paul A 00:56, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- In the second version of the pilot, the Cat (this time a female one) was played by Caucasian Terry Farrell. Ausir 18:28, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- In addition ISTR reading somewhere that Chris Barrie was invited to reprise his role, but refused, which was part of what prompted John-Jules' comment. I can't find the reference, though.
- BTW, The show followed essentially the same story as the original UK pilot, substituting American actors for the British; the one exception being Robert Llewellyn, who reprised his role as Kryten isn't entirely accurate either: the US Holly was the decidedly British (despite her accent in Fraiser) Jane Leeves. Daibhid C 18:38, 11 Sept 2004 (UTC)
Why the hell isn't this at just Red Dwarf? The star type would never be capitalized. --mav
- I agree - it should be moved back. --Mrwojo
- Well, there is Red Dwarf (movie), due out next year. RickK 02:22, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- There's also primary topic disambiguation. Even if Red Dwarf: The Movie proves to be worthy of a whole article to itself, which I doubt. —Paul A
- Back to the original question: Cgs's explanation of his reasons for the current Red Dwarf disambiguation situation can be seen at User talk:Cgs. —Paul A
Weren't the books first, and the TV series based on the books? Dysprosia 16:14, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)
- No. The books were spin-offs. But we should make this clear in the article. -- Tarquin 22:55, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)
Lister almost from the start planned to find the computer disk containing the holographic backup of his ex-girlfriend Kristine Kochanski when lister asks Holly why he didn't bring back Kochanski, he's told that his total conversation with her was 173 words, which makes the claim of her being the ex-girlfriend pretty unlikely.
- This is one of Red Dwarf's frequent and rather blatant retcons. Originally, Lister was supposed to have lusted after Kochanski without ever having acted on it (see also the comment in Balance of Power when Lister's chef's exam is interrupted by Rimmer-in-Kochanski's-body: she looks down the front of her top and comments "I've seen something you haven't, squire"), but then Rob and Doug decided that Lister's attitude was slightly immature and amended the story to suggest they had a brief affair. See also how Red Dwarf's crew increases from 169 (The End) to 1,169 (Justice) and then to ten or eleven thousand-odd (Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers). Hig Hertenfleurst 11:31, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Independant production
I could be wrong but wasn't Red Dwarf always an independant production from the very beggining?Saul Taylor
- No, it definitely started life as an internal Beeb effort (BBC NorthWest, I think). As the article notes, it doesn't make much practical difference, it just means that various bits of money get transferred back and forth between different branches of the Beeb and the independent company to not much effect (except that the BBC has some sort of requirement these days to source a certain fraction of its material from independent producers, so it helps in that regard). Bth 18:46, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I've just watched the end credits for the first episode, and it doesn't have a PJP logo but the credits do say "developed for television by Paul Jackson Productions." Saul Taylor 00:23, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I think the important thing in this regard is the copyright notice; if I'm right, in series 1/2 it would be (c) BBC, series 3 (c) PJP and series 4 onwards (c) Grant Naylor productions. But my tapes are 200 miles away so I can't check immediately. The "developed for TV" credit is about who was responsible for getting it into the state that the Beeb could start making, and thus slightly different. --Bth 11:44, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I think the BBC would own the copyright to a any television programme that the commision whether it was an independant production or not, although i've just watched the end of a series 3 episode and its a bit ambigious. It has a PJP logo and says "A PAUL JACKSON PRODUCTION FOR BBC NORTH WEST" and says "(c)MCMLXXXIX" underneath. I'm not copyright is the main factor anyway, I would've thought the important difference is that an independant production is where the BBC paid an outside company to make a programme for them.Saul Taylor 15:06, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I think the important thing in this regard is the copyright notice; if I'm right, in series 1/2 it would be (c) BBC, series 3 (c) PJP and series 4 onwards (c) Grant Naylor productions. But my tapes are 200 miles away so I can't check immediately. The "developed for TV" credit is about who was responsible for getting it into the state that the Beeb could start making, and thus slightly different. --Bth 11:44, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Parody Sources
I'd hoped to see some cross-references to the sci-fi film genres that were being parodied. Eg there is a very clear debt to 2001: A Space Odyssey, which apparently gets no mention.
80.177.213.144 18:46, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Page size and merges
Right now, this page is 37KB- soon to need some splitting. The most obvious split to me would be to move the episode guide to a separate page, say Red Dwarf episodes, but I'm not sure of the proper style/convention in this case.
Furthermore, per VfD, Blue Midget (a substub) is to merge into the main Red Dwarf- There's also a Starbug and a Red Dwarf (spaceship) and even a Category:Red Dwarf ships. Seems to me like a case of several small articles that should go into a single Red Dwarf vehicles or Red Dwarf craft article to keep everything tidy.
Thoughts, opinions on these two points? --Rossumcapek 18:09, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I'd suggest a maiximum of 3 pages, one for the main article, one for the episedes and maybe a third with characters, ships etc.? The category seems redundant for such a small number of ships. DamienG 18:51, Sep 18, 2004 (UTC)
- Seems like a good idea to me. Hig Hertenfleurst 19:05, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Good to know it's more than just me- I agree that the Category:Red Dwarf ships is overkill. Unless there's any objections, in the next few days I'll move the (wonderfully complete) episodes to Red Dwarf episode guide. I'm also wondering the best way to collect the rest of the information. Should all of the universe details be on a single page? Perhaps three separate People, Places, and Things articles? I'm not exactly thrilled with that suggestion, though. Should check to see how Star Wars and Star Trek handle their fictions universes... --Rossumcapek 16:40, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Star Wars has a List_of_vehicles_in_Star_Wars and List_of_Star_Wars_places. Star Trek has a List_of_Star_Trek_characters. --Rossumcapek 15:52, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Esperanto in Red Dwarf?
I just read a claim on the Esperanto article that Red Dwarf portrays a future in which Esperanto is widely used, and signs can be seen in both English and Esperanto. I don't recall ever seeing any such signs. Is this true, and my memory is failing, or have the Esperantist been getting a bit overexcited here? PaulHammond 06:24, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- It's true. The signs in the lifts are in English and Esperanto, and there is an episode (series 2 I think) where Rimmer is desperately trying to learn Esperanto and failing dismally. -- Tarquin 10:29, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- The episode in question is "Kryten". ("Please could you direct me to a four-star hotel?") The ship's original interior design was far more obviously bilingual in series 1 and series 2: all the corridor signs read "LEVEL/NIVELO" in big letters. The idea rather got lost when Mel Bibby came in for series 3. Hig Hertenfleurst 17:34, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Nova 5
Wasn't the "Coke is Life" a gag from one of the novels? I don't recall this ever being shown. --Sdfisher 19:04, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- "Coke adds life" was the advertising message the crew of the Nova 5 were attempting to write in supernovas in the first book.--128.243.220.21 15:54, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Okay, so what about the soapy water thing? Wasn't that from the novel too? --Sdfisher 18:42, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- As far as I remember, the only thing that was mentioned on TV was that the ship crashed. Hig Hertenfleurst 21:18, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Bah. Time to do some "original research." /me grabs DVD :) --Steven Fisher 05:07, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, the script can be found here: http://www.reddwarf.nildram.co.uk/txt/kryten.txt There's no mention of soapy water or Kryten killing the crew. So can we please pull that section? --Steven Fisher 05:10, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)