User talk:Anthere/Archives 2021/Archives

Hey, Anthere, do we have a list of species status classifications? I'm writing up a whole stack of Australian mammals right now, and many of them are classified extinct, threatened, vulnerable, or endangered. It occurs to me that there should be a page that says what the difference is between "vulnerable" and "endangered", so I can make the words link to it. (Or maybe seperate pages - whatever.) (No hurry about this - I have a million tasks on the go already, but this is one that we should do sooner or later, if it hasn't been done already.) Cheers -- Tannin

Anthere, please quit reverting Gaia Theories. See the naming conventions that Wikipedia employs. Capitalized letters of secondary words, and plurals, are not the preferred names of articles. -- Zoe

There's no need to delete an article when a redirect takes care of the problem. -- Zoe

then, you are perfectly inconsistant with your own conventions, which indicate to prefer the singular. The plural here is useless, and redirecting to the wrong article.

But, clearly, noone is even trying to read what is in talk page, and previous discussions upon capital letter versus non capital letters

Not at all. A move is the same as a redirect. When I move from plural to singular, it does a redirect automatically. Please provide an example of my work to the contrary. -- Zoe

I do not complain about your work. Our ways don't cross. But look, in the encyclopedia, there is a difference in the text between green party (generic) and Green party. Look at the article on theory, you will notice some are theory others Theory. These two meanings are different. theories of evolution, and Theory of evolution.

Elizabeth Smart (kidnap victim). (You did ask.) - Hephaestos

You'll have to explain what this has to do with either capitalization or plurals. -- Zoe

Unfortunately the naming conventions prefer wrong capitalisation to correct capitalisation. :-( It does my head in, and the heads in of quite a few others here who find it farcical and semi-literate. When it comes to something that is fundamentally wrong (like Prime minister instead of Prime Minister, or Proportional representation using the single transferable vote, instead of the correct Proportion Representation using the Single Transferable Vote) I usually just get stubborn and refuse to accept the wrong capitalisation, as do quite a few others. If Theory is capitalised, stick to your guns on it. The more people demand proper english capitalisation rather than amateurish miscapitalisation, the greater the likelihood that some day the idiotic semi-literate wiki naming convention on this issue might be changed. This is after all supposed to be a reliable, trustworthy encyclopædia. If it can't even tell the reader the correct name, spelling and capital usage of something, then wiki is worthless as a sourcebook and people would hesitate to trust its reliability. ÉÍREman 23:34 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

does anyone notice there are other articles in this encyclopedia, with the distinction big T small t ?

Zoe and I are good wiki friends but on this I think she is wrong. We should be able to stand over everything, from title to article structure. So factual consistency should be the base line. If something is correctly spelt with a capital T, it should be spelt on wiki with a capital T. Too often we treat grammar and spelling as if they were optional extras or unnecessary old fashioned rules. In fact capitalisation was created to allow a reader to distinguish names, proper nouns etc from the rest of the text automatically. ÉÍREman 23:43 Apr 25, 2003 (UTC)

Yes. We can't respect it for the first letter of the first word unfortunately. But at least, we can do it with the second. Why should not we write as the real world does when we can ???

For Anthere, this isn't simply about capitalization practices, it is about maintaining the distinction she sees between the "Gaia Theory" and the "Gaia theory". She uses the former to refer to one specific (and therefore capitalized) interpretation, and the latter to refer to all possible interpretations. My goal is to merge these two articles into one, and to talk about the single specific theory as a subset of the whole. I believe that all spelling and capitalization variants of "gaia theory" should ultimately take the reader to the same place, while Anthere wants you to land at a different article depending on what you capitalize or pluralize. -º¡º

It's at times like this that I wish I was German.

(they've got nice simple capitalisation rules)

Martin 23:21 Apr 28, 2003 (UTC)

That's what you think ... -- JeLuF

Hi Anthere, added fr: -link and unprotected talk-page. I hope everything's fine now. -- JeLuF

I've read m:user:anthere now, so I won't be losing any more 's's while referring to you in the future. I'm used to thinking in terms of a pistil vs. stamen dichotomy, the stamen being the anther plus the filament that bears it. That's why the term didn't ring a bell right away with me, aside from the fact of it being French as I saw it here. No more confusion on that score now. :) -- John Owens

Salut! T'es là? qu'est-ce qui se passe avec le wiki français? J'ai un message bizarre quand j'essaie d'accéder à une page... -- Curry

je vais voir de ce pas...

argghhhhhh, je viens de voir un truc atroce...mais ici meme. Les dev sont peut etre en train de bosser sur la bdd...anthere

Ils pourraient prévenir! C'est énervant... :-(

je ne suis pas sure. C est juste une hypothese. Mais, je crois qu ils voulaient faire la migration le 2 ou 3 mai. je n ai pas regarde la tech list depuis 24 heures cependant

Au fait, c'est ton oeil en haut de la page?

vi, y en a d autres ici User:Anthere/Eyes ;-)))). Je surveille ...

J'ai pu accéder à ma page fr en suivant le lien depuis en.wiki, mais impossible d'afficher les modifs récentes: message ésotérique en angliche à la place! Curry

flute. A priori, pas de prob pour moi. je vais jeter un coup d oeil rapide a la mail list, mais y a mon mari qui demande la bécane...

Hi there -- I created WikiLove. Can I withdraw some WikiMoney from your account now? :-) --Eloquence 03:38 May 11, 2003 (UTC)

Of course I did it only for the money. ;-) No, actually I found it quite strange that we didn't have an article about it yet. Let's hope it helps. --Eloquence 16:49 May 11, 2003 (UTC)

I had been loathe to lobby on my own account about my page on the French Wikipedia, but I wanted to respond to your comment ("I think Daniel will be welcome, provided he proves one or two of his books have not been published at his account, plus one or two articles in serious and famous books or other publications. Articles on his grand father will not be welcome I guess.") on Talk:Daniel C. Boyer to set some things straight:

1. My book The Octopus Frets: political poems was self-published; my book The Tailgating Spinster was published by Fiji Island Mermaid Press.

2. My article Are You Crazy?: Mental Illness and Whiteness was published in the journal Race Traitor (No. 9, Summer 1998); this article was reprinted in the book Surrealist Subversions: Rants, Writings & Images by the Surrealist Movement in the United States (you can see its listing on Amazon.com), along with my new article "Seattle 1999: Just the Beginning" and my drawing "The Breakfast Club." I had two articles published in The Salvador Dali Collectors Magazine ("Vinyl Dali," (Vol.5, No.1) and "Dali's Foray into New Medium was 'Smokin" (Vol.6, No.1). My response to an inquiry was published in Groupe de Paris du Mouvement Surréaliste, "Ecoutons Voir: Réponses à l'enquête sur le rêve, le langage et l'image" (supplement to S.U.RR No.4) (this was one of my few things published in the French language), and my response to an inquiry was published in New York Arts Magazine (an internationally-distributed art magazine). In terms of drawings or illustrations my work has appeared in Psycho magazine, The Improper Bostonian, New York Nights, and four of my drawings appeared in Snow Monkey magazine (Vol.3, Issue 2).

3. The irony of the comment about my grandfather is that he was much more well-known than I am; it is difficult to go into any library (at least here in the United States) which does not have one of his books in it. Which would certainly not be true of me.

http://abe.midco.net/baike/800x600project/cereusjbanks.htm

No, I'm not the author; I just found the link somewhere and thought it was cool. I like the ones on grafitti, books, and tulips also. :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Yes, the deletion log is (presently) just a page, so you can take all the text out of the old deletion log and paste it into the new one if you like. (The pages are protected so only sysops can edit them.) The custom here on en.wiki seems to be to move everything out of the deletion log into an archive page each month; if anyone does make an edit, the pre-edit version is saved in the history, so also you could just clear the page. It doesn't really matter from a technical point of view. --Brion 02:13 21 May 2003 (UTC)

That's a good start at local food, Anthere. :-) I tweaked it some; I hope it doesn't appear to advocate local food, but I do think it's a principle of sustainability and I don't know how to say that NPOV. People interested in sustainability are interested in local food. ... Also, should we mention that some people buy local food as part of a bartering system, intending to lower the amount of money they need? I have several friends who do that--some of them poor by choice, others not. Koyaanis Qatsi

Hi, it's a tripod you want. I like your pictures, but especially the third one. :-) Koyaanis Qatsi

Bonjour Anthere!

Est-ce que Tu as lu Talk:List of French Monarchs? (and that's my French capability for the moment -- a hard day, and my speech is not nearly as good as my reading comprehension!) Triton has quoted you! You should feel honored! une autre femme

How are you these days? I've discovered roots music lately and am in heaven, listening to all these old 33s, 45s, and 78s that people have digitized. Koyaanis Qatsi

I can hardly believe it -- but could it be that you are not familiar with the tilde trick for signing (~~~ for signature without timestamp, ~~~~ for signature with timestamp)? Or are you just lazy? :) --Eloquence 00:24 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I've uploaded a flower for you at media:Lavender.jpg. Enjoy :). WikiLove, MB 14:51 3 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I'm fine, thanks. Working on the film still a bit, finishing it up. Watching some films and slowly getting back into reading. :-) Koyaanis Qatsi 20:16 3 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Please, take it easy on the edit wars. These articles are not worth getting in such a huge fuss over. Maybe take a break from Wikipedia for a while... come back to it later when you're not so angry. -- Wapcaplet 00:02 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Sorry Wapcaplet. But did you look at the edits he did ? At the whole paragraphs he removed ? Till the point the article looks like nothing ? He wanted a one article. He got it. Now, he wants to remove anything that is not fitting with his pov. He is stripping the entire article, carefully written by dozen of contributors. He is insulting me. And this is ok ? I do not think so. Anthere

I am not going to take any sides in this... I think you're both being kind of stubborn. I just think if you both take a break you will feel better when you come back to it later on, maybe then we can discuss it rationally. -- Wapcaplet 00:11 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)

This is precisely why I asked several times for the page to be protected. I see that sysops are not very much in a hurry to help users in need. I can't say I appreciate that. I don't ask you to take side. But when you have time, please quietly read the edits he is proposing. I don't necessarily say they are all bad, but some are just non acceptable. Many very important points are removed. Only the scientific point of view is kept. These articles were the result of a work of several people. They stand there many many months with consensus on them. What he is doing is very bad. And his attacks are just as bad. If you care, please do work between his version and the previous one.

I'm not sure I'm cool-headed enough to do any edits on this right now, either :) I know RK's not cooperating, but continual revert-wars are just going to make the situation worse. Maybe if you leave it alone for a while, he'll let it rest too. Seriously! Take a break! Go watch TV or read a book or something. Wikipedia is not everything, and the world's not gonna end if the articles on Gaia theories aren't totally accurate. For your own happiness and sanity, please :) -- Wapcaplet 00:22 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Regarding edit wars: Post to Wikipedia:Current disputes over articles or the Wikipedia:Village pump. MB 01:18 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I've uploaded a flower for User:Angela at media:Trillium.jpg. MB 03:00 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)
(trillium)

Regarding protection of pages, try wikipedia talk:protected page (or the village pump or the page of sympathetic sysops). Unfortunately, by the time I saw the page, it was already a mess of reverts and moves, which didn't help... Martin

I think it's technically a misspelling in this case (although of course you're right about the deity). I took a look at the edit history for Gaia hypothesis and noticed that the first entry was where The Epopt moved the article, with the comment "oops! misspelled it". Took a look in Google for '"Gaia hypothesis" Lovelock' and '"Gaea hypothesis" Lovelock', found 4460 hits for the former and only 18 for the latter (one of which is Wikipedia) so I assume this is the spelling Lovelock himself used in his writing. Apparently the Gaea spelling had just been propagated from the original typo. - Hephaestos 17:01 5 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I accidentally removed a part of your contributions to Knowledge, and I also at first misunderstood some of what you wrote. You may have noticed the recent flurry of editing by me on that article. However, I want you to know that I put back what I mistakenly took out. RK 02:11 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Any chance you could start using the tilde trick to sign you messages? In case you don't know, ~~~ signs like this MB, and ~~~~ signs like this MB 21:22 6 Jun 2003 (UTC). If you want your sig to be ant, you can change that in you Preferences. It's just that if someone wants to respond to you here, or look at your user page, this make things much easier. Thanks. MB 21:22 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi Ant- thanks for the suggestion re. Organic gardening... Sounds agood idea to create a page summarising the subject of 'organic gardening' linked to a kind of 'contents page' for an encylopedia within an encyclopedia on the subject of organic gardening. Could we perhaps merge the list of organic gardening and farming topics pages, although they are different subjects in many ways there is alot of cross-over, and it would make more sense to have a one page List of topics relating to organic gardening and farming rather than 2 seperate lists diverging or replicating the same work. What do you think? quercus robur 11:35 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Merci, Anthère de ta confiance à propos du libéralisme et l'affaire Faré.

D'abord sur la question du nom du user/utilisateur Fare/Faré, j'ai bien l'impression que toutes ces variations ce concernent de la même personne, mais je n'y attache pas de grande importance. Disons que c'est plutôt une question de l'accentophobie qui est si bien rependu parmis les anglophones.

Au niveau de l'entourloupe (=troll??), ça prendrait de demander si c'est quelque chose qui arrive souvent. Encore, il ne faut pas y attacher trop d'importance. Quand ça mène à un lien vide, ça devrait servir d'une façon temporaire ou d'en faire un "redirect" sur l'article anglaise ou d'écrire un "stub" qui donnerait plusieurs liens.

À mon avis il faut se demander quand un problème est vraiment secondaire, pour voir s'il'y a des moyens faciles pour le résoudre. Comme ça on peut se dévouer au vrai problème.

Mon Grand dictionaire Anglais-Français Larousse nous donne les traductions directes liberalism=libéralisme et libertarianism=doctrine libertaire ou même "convictions libertaires", dont ce dernier est toujours au pluriel. J'ai l'impression que le mot "libertarianisme" n'existe pas dans le bon français, ou au moins il ne parait pas dans mon Petit Robert.

Je ne dirais pas que liberalism et libéralisme sont exactement des faux amis, mais ça serait aussi inexacte de dire qu'ils sont parfaitement exacte, l'une à l'autre. La version anglaise et la version française ont chacunes leures propres evolutions. Pour l'anglais on a l'impression que le libéralisme d'aujoud'hui est compris comme le contraire de ce qu'il était anciennement. Je comprends bien la volonté des "libertarians" de se distingués de ce mélanges. L'article actuel liberalism anglais devrait se co-ordonner avec fr:libéralisme. Pour les deux, ils devraient avoir l'objectif de démèler tous les sens de ce mot assez confus.

J'ajoute un peu sur "ilk". Tu a suggéré la traduction "clique", mais ça fonctionne pas. Une clique comprend une groupe de personnes qui travaillent ensembles pour arriver à quoi que soit leur but commun. Les gens ou les choses du même "ilk" n'ont pas besoin d'avoir d'associations personelles ensemble. Je suggererais plutôt "type" pour traduction, comme dans "Ce gars est un drôle de type." ☮ Eclecticology 19:48 8 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Let's start an ilk, Anthere. :-) Anyway, here's a link on biopiracy you may find interesting. Koyaanis Qatsi 22:52 9 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Je viens de regarder le home page de Faré. C'est avec plaisir que je peux bel et bien annoncer qu'il est un des vôtres en 19ème de Paris.

Les liens qu'il donne pour le "libertarianisme" sont aussi bien de la France que du Québec. Il me semble que le mot en français est un anglicisme moderne. Peut-être que l'Académie française n'est pas encore prête pour ce mot, mais ça serait une bonne idée de l'accepter dans le même sens que le mot anglais libertarianism, mais certainement pas comme traduction de l'anglais liberalism.

L'intolérence est tres spéciale comme problème. Il est presque impossible de leur faire controller leurs gueules sans qu'ils commencent à nous accuser de prendre une position complètement contraire à nos croyances. En anglais on a l'expression, "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"

J'hésite naturellement de me mêler dans le débat. De préférence ça prendrait quelqu'un de plus expérimenté que mois dans les subtilités de l'économie politique, mais je comprend que ces gens n'auront pas l'esprit de se combattre avec ceux qui argumentent d'une façon plus libertine que libérale.

Santé! ☮ Eclecticology 20:34 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I read through the biopiracy page with interest. It seems to be mostly your work.

It appears to me to have a rather novel POV and I was thinking of adding some background, but my background is mainly USA so I'm hesitant to change much, especially if it's well researched. Wondering what your opinion is and what level of ownership you feel of the page. Kat 20:30 11 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Hi Martin

Do you think Open Campaign is more acceptable that way ?

It's better. I need to follow the external link you added to find out more, really. :) Btw, sorry if my talk page is too big... Martin

I added some notes wrt world production at Talk:Agriculture. Kat 15:43 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Well, User:Jimfbleak split the ag page the other day, moving much material to USA_Agriculture. I think it's a fine thing to make the scope and perspective of the project more global.

I have maintained for some years now that agriculture is among the most geographically relative of all topics. The growing techniques that work for us will not work on farms a few dozen miles from us where the soil and topography is different. As I travel throughout North America I see farming operations that are quite different than ours even though the same crops and livestock are grown. So having a balanced North American perspective is hard, and having a balanced global perspective is all the more difficult.

Anyway, I have no experience of farms in Europe or the UK, much less Africa or Asia. I correspond with some people in Austraila and New Zeland so I have at least some idea for those places. So, I cannot write what I do not know and hope that you and others who are familiar with these places will fill in the gaps.

Kat 22:20 12 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I originally moved most of the US stuff from agriculture to make it more global, but I left the history bit in because it seemed that the development of farming in N. Am was of global importance. As I said, I've no expertise in this area, but I think it's an arguable case. jimfbleak 06:11 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Anthere, Left a note for you at Talk:Monoculture Kat 17:29 13 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Why do you think you were "rejected" for Adminship on en.wiki? You were already, seconded, thirded, 4th, 5th and 6th before you finally accepted. It is only a technical matter and limited developer resources why your account hasn't been switched to "sysop" here yet. Heck since you stated your request as a side statement inside a longer statement to me there is a good chance a developer didn't ever notice what you said. I will make things clear on our Admin request page. You are a great Wikipedian and will make a great Admin too. :) --mav

You are a sysop now, that's for sure. Have fun! --Eloquence 18:38 16 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I'd congratulate you... but knowing your feelings, perhaps commiseration would be more appropriate? :) Martin

Anthere, stop this harassment and trolling. You may not unilaterally disrupt our Biology articles. I have tried to work with you before, but you refused to discuss anything; you just kept on using reversions. And now you doing this unfriendly activity again? No talk? No discussion? No care about how thousands of other English speakers and scientists use these terms? For shame. We have already explained why these naming changes were being made. In fact, were you a competant English speaker, you already would have known why. English speakers DO NOT use the bizarre terminology that alone use. You can't rewrite every Wikipedia entry on this subject to use a non-existent terminology. This has already been explained to you before by me and by others, but you refuse to even comment on this point. Now you again engage in reversions to force the rest of thr world to go by you? Sorry, lady, but Wikipedia doesn't work that. English speakers do NOT use the terms you use, plain and simple. I have read books on this subject, article on the subject, and did Google searches over hundreds of websites...and your claims are FALSE. No one uses your terminology, and insiting on it only confuses English speaking Wikipedia readers. This isn't the French Wikipedia, its the English one. If you don't like, it go elsewhere. But your disrutpive behaviour, your reversions, and your refusal to even admit that English speakers *might* be misled by your private terminology only proves that you are not a team player. Go troll elsewere. RK 01:41 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Anthere, stop this harassment and trolling.

I am neither harassing you, nor trolling

You may not unilaterally disrupt our Biology articles.

our is "our". That means yours, mine and everyone else.

I have tried to work with you before, but you refused to discuss anything; you just kept on using reversions. And now you doing this unfriendly activity again? No talk? No discussion?

I explained my reversion in the talk page. You didnot explain your move. let's keep thing into the right point.

No care about how thousands of other English speakers and scientists use these terms? For shame.

Yes. I care about users. This is precisely why I did the reversion. You are just confusing theory and Theory. And just censoring the terminology hypothesis, where it is very obvious it is all over the net. Please type "gaia hypothesis" before doing deletions. Please also acknowledge the fact Lovelock has initially written an hypothesis, not a theory, and than both are different. I also note that you obviously don't know the subject very well, since you change the homeostatic article, indicating the theory was , when in reality the theory is homeorhetic and the hypothesis homeostatic. Please try to keep to stick to the topics you know more.

We have already explained why these naming changes were being made. In fact, were you a competant English speaker, you already would have known why. English speakers DO NOT use the bizarre terminology that alone use.

Again, you attack me on my capacity of using english ? You claim "Gaia hypothesis" is a term that doesnot exist and that I invented ? But really, how do you want me to give any credibility in what you say and write ???

You can't rewrite every Wikipedia entry on this subject to use a non-existent terminology. This has already been explained to you before by me and by others, but you refuse to even comment on this point.

this has been explained by you and you only. Not any other one.

Now you again engage in reversions to force the rest of thr world to go by you? Sorry, lady, but Wikipedia doesn't work that.

that is gonna work that work sorry, because clearly you are in a destructive pattern, and I won't let you damage our wikipedia again.

English speakers do NOT use the terms you use, plain and simple. I have read books on this subject, article on the subject, and did Google searches over hundreds of websites...and your claims are FALSE. No one uses your terminology, and insiting on it only confuses English speaking Wikipedia readers.

Yes, of course, no one use the "Gaia Hypothesis" term. This is enough. You are having a deep problem with your sources.

This isn't the French Wikipedia, its the English one. If you don't like, it go elsewhere. But your disrutpive behaviour, your reversions, and your refusal to even admit that English speakers *might* be misled by your private terminology only proves that you are not a team player. Go troll elsewere. RK 01:41 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

This is precisely the LAST time I talk to you here on this topic. User:anthere

Everyone, a little WikiLove, please! We're all here to make Wikipedia a better resources, remember. --Brion 01:57 29 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Henceforth, until you hear from me otherwise, you may sign Pizza Puzzle alongside your name in any argument u might have with RK. Pizza Puzzle