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For your tireless work in making Wikipedia better, for keeping Template:Feature up-to-date, for doing the grunt work of cleaning up Wikipedia:Featured article candidates, for mediating in disputes, for adding lots of really nice pictures, and for still finding the time to work on articles! In a few months you've already become a highly valued member of the community. Stay with us and don't burn out, please. --Eloquence Apr 10, 2004


Jenna Jameson featured?

Hi - I notice you just promoted Jenna Jameson. I believe Worldtraveller's comments remain unaddressed, and I entered some comments in a similar vein (perhaps after you decided) that certainly remain unaddressed. I don't know if you ever change your mind due to "late breaking" comments on the FAC page, but my guess is that promoting this article in its current state will help to solidify Worldtraveller's opinion that WP is broken. I don't actually care about this specific article. I do care about losing editors of the caliber of Worldtraveller. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:02, 17 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I'm sorry, but that complaint ("too long for a porn star") is one of the two complaints that I just can't fulfill without destroying the article. One of the Wikipedia:Featured article criteria is "comprehensive", and it doesn't say anything about "comprehensive, except for porn stars". As is, I will confidently assert we have the best article on this subject on the Web, and that includes some pretty good articles, the ones we use as sources: New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, Rolling Stone, etc. If we eviscerate it, we won't. Do note, however, that Wt's comparison to Gandhi, Margaret Thatcher, etc., is incorrect, those articles are far longer, even if you don't include the sub-articles, and especially if you do. WP:SIZE, which Wt quotes in one one his edit comments, specifically excludes references from article length for comparison, and those make up half the article body. The other objection that I just can't resolve completely is "no fair use images whatsoever" - that's clearly not the way we do things here. I'd be very happy to address other issues, nothing is perfect.
Anyway, responding to that is not quite why I'm here - I wanted to ask about the "main page?" concerns discussed on Wikipedia_talk:Featured_article_candidates/Jenna_Jameson. Raoul/Mark, is it correct that this article will never be on the main page? Or do you think it is qualified? --AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:43, 20 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
In reply to Rick, I agree with AnonEMouse's characterization of the objection - I do not consider "too detailed" to be a compelling objection. As far as putting this article on the main page, I am undecided, but leaning a bit towards 'no'. IMO, 'History of erotic depictions' was close to the line, but still a few steps inside the boundary. I'm not so sure about Jenna Jamison though. Raul654 02:51, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My issue was not "too detailed" (I entered a list of specific, detailed comments on the FAC page - which I think simply suffered from bad timing) and based on a comment on his talk page I believe WT meant to leave a more detailed critique (but was otherwise occupied - and I suspect "too detailed" is not an accurate summary). This is not a big deal in my book and enough time has passed that it is now clearly moot (more specifically, I think what's done should remain done). The only thing about this that concerns me at this point is that I seem to have entered comments on the FAC page after the article was promoted (the bot update of the FAC page lagged your edit of WP:FA sufficiently to allow this - I've checked the time stamps). Perhaps this may argue that the bot should work the other direction (i.e. you close the discussion at the FAC page and have the bot update WP:FA). It is a trifle annoying to have spent time composing comments that weren't considered. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They weren't considered because you made the post almost an hour after I closed the nomination and removed it from the FAC. [1][2] The FAC page is the authoritative listing of what is and is not currently nominated. If something is not there, then it is not curretly a nomination. The whole point of using the bot is so I don't have to hand-close 50+ nominations a week. Raul654 03:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is this [3] the edit that queues the bot, or this [4]? It doesn't really matter, the point is that the FAC page looked open (albeit from a direct link, rather than from the transclusion at WP:FAC). It may not come up often, and you're certainly free to say "tough shit", but there does seem to be a window. Finding a way to close it seems like a good idea to me. Perhaps you could run a "close" bot that does both. BTW - I can't really tell, but it seems like you're annoyed. I'm not, and I don't mean this to come across as whining. Bots are good. Leaving a window open is bad (especially if it was open for more than an hour). And again, I don't care about this article in particular. I appreciate your utter selfless devotion to what you must surely sometimes think is a tremendously thankless task (I, frankly, occasionally wonder about your sanity). -- Rick Block (talk) 04:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, I'm not annoyed. Sorry if I came off that way :)
I'm pretty sure the bot looks at the promotion and archive logs, so the edits that trigger it would be this and this. Raul654 04:47, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Too detailed" is not entirely what my objection was, but even if it had been, why is that not a compelling objection? What is criterion 4 of WP:WIAFA for? I have to say that this is just the latest of several articles have been promoted over actionable objections that I've made. I make objections based on the FA criteria, the author denies that there is a problem, the article gets promoted anyway. On similar grounds I objected to Chetwynd, British Columbia - excessive detail, incredibly boring writing, opinions from references being quoted as fact. Similarly, Halo 2 was grotesquely verbose, I gave examples of how the text could be cut in half or better without sacrificing any detail. But the author denied this, and the article got promoted. This, too, goes into ridiculous detail for such an ephemeral person. I'd suggest that if objections based on criterion 4 are always ignored, then the criterion should be scrapped.

Worse, probably, than the excessive length in this case, is the writing in a deliberately favourable tone and quoting from her autobiography as if it is fact. Look at the quote in the section on early life; is this regurgitation of an opinion from a source, presented as fact, an acceptable way of writing? Similarly, She remembers telling Wicked Pictures founder Steve Orenstein... is not acceptable, in my opinion - it is writing deliberately favourable to the subject, and more akin to a magazine article than an encyclopaedia article. Also, the list of awards is not encyclopaedic - it seems like just another example of the author's evident pro-Jameson attitude. I have to say I can't really understand why the article was promoted. Worldtraveller 00:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not compelling because with few exceptions, what is and is not worth including in the article is inherently subjective (it's basically AFD in miniature). Every article clearly has some things that everyone can agree should be mentioned. When there is a disagreement as to the rest, I am inclined to err on the side of having our featured articles be too informative versus being not informative enough. (So when someone objects that something important is missing, I take those objections quite seriously) On the other hand, when someone objects that an article is too long, I check to see the length, and unless it's above the usual range (in the neighborhood of 30-80 kb, I think) I usually take such objections with a grain of salt. Obviously, someone thought it was important enough to merit mentioning in the article. Raul654 00:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As to the issue of using autobiography as a source: Generally speaking, "X says this" sentence constructions should only be used in cases where there are conflicting accounts of some factoid. This is common in an article on, for example, global warming (although in that case, much of the disagreement is created by certain organizations with a vested economic interest in manufacturing dispute). I can't speak per se on the issue of directly quoting her autobiography, but unless someone else has critizied and/or published a conflicting description of some particular event or set of events, I see no problem with taking her autobiography as an authoritative source on her life. Granted, this doesn't strictly extend to opinions and interpretation of events, but definitely for straight factual matters Raul654 00:30, 22 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I guess there's really no point arguing the merits of this nomination now. I suppose we can list this on FAR in a few weeks. The important thing for me to know, though, is this - I spent a lot of time commenting on the three nominations I've mentioned, and if I'd known in advance that my objections were going to be ignored whatever happened, I wouldn't have made them. Am I always going to be wasting my time when I criticise an article's writing style, tone and verbosity? Will they always be promoted regardless? Worldtraveller 23:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about that, World, but I do know you can't, or shouldn't, list it on FAR in a few weeks. There's an understanding that three months is the minimum waiting time before you get to put a featured article on WP:FAR. (Don't know if it's written down anywhere.) Bishonen | talk 17:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Bishonen is correct about the three months, and yes, that is included in the instructions at WP:FAR. I, too, am troubled that I often take time to type up my objections yet articles are promoted in spite of multiple actionable objections— curious why that happens, but perhaps that should be taken to the talk page of WP:FAC. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, didn't realise it was as long as three months. I should have looked back on what happened with Chetwynd, British Columbia, where I was slightly controversial by listing it on FARC (as it was then) seven weeks after it was promoted. Well, let's just say that when I said 'a few', I meant 'about twelve'... Worldtraveller 18:58, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Before you rush to relist, please do note that of your actionable objections at the FAC, the only ones that have not been acted upon are "60kb on a porn star is ridiculous, and 106 references is absurd beyond description." and "The list of awards is not necessary; it just reinforces the impression that the author is a huge fan." Rush, of course, meaning about twelve weeks... While I can't meet all your objections, I would far prefer working with you to improve the article than just counting who else agrees. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 19:13, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/West Indian cricket team in England in 1988

Hi Raul654. There seems to be no real dissention on the quality of this article. Do we need do any more to secure FA status? Cheers, --Dweller 13:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How utterly uncharming of me not to return here sooner and thank you. Thank you for promoting the article. (How do you get through that workload alone?!?!?) --Dweller 21:07, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. The workload is high but not overwhelming. And I do get vicarious pleasure whenever someone is happy to see their work on the main page, which makes it all worthwhile. Raul654 07:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gimmebot question

The bot runs when the operator is online and has time to babysit it. This time, for instance, there was one page where the fac template was gone, another where it had been changed to a facfailed (though the article was promoted...), and another where someone had already updated the talk page. Other things come up all the time. Dealing with the ArticleHistory template is a few orders of magnitude more complicated than replacing a fac template with a featured or facfailed, the original intention of the bot. Gimmetrow 02:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I understand completely. Raul654 02:40, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Good thing the bot didn't jump on the recent archives :)
Sandy seems to be floating the idea of GimmeBot taking over the FA count. For various reasons, I'm not interested in doing that task at this time. Gimmetrow 04:30, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hrm. Is anyone else interested in doing it? Raul654 22:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ironically, I realized I was only a couple lines of code away from more or less doing this. So right now the bot counts the number of unique article-namespace links on WP:FA, excludes shortcuts (since WP:FAC is namespace:0), then compares that to template:FA number. The "more or less" is that this isn't an hourly check like the other bot. Gimmetrow 00:07, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note below the question about the FFA/GA status. This seems to be causing some editors problems, and it can be avoided. I also thought of a decent way to handle the merging into WP:FA, though it would take a fair amount of coding. I have to wonder, why haven't you automated this during the last couple years? Gimmetrow 00:23, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FA bot

We sort of talked around this a bit above, but what do you think about the idea of you running a FA bot to close any windows between declaring an article to be FA and the closing of the FAC page? I haven't actually written a bot yet, but it's sort of on my list of things to do sometime (or perhaps Gimmetrow might be willing). The idea is you run a program that gets told (somehow) which articles are promoted and which are rejected, then it moves the transcludes around as appropriate, closes the relevant FAC pages, adds the articles to WP:FA, etc. Given that Gimmebot does at least part of this already, it seems like having you run it would be more direct (and more timely). Just a suggestion. -- Rick Block (talk) 04:58, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The order I usually do it in is:
  1. Copy and paste the older FA noms to a subpage in my userspace (but I don't save them. I just preview)
  2. Using a text editor, I sort the noms into three sets - the ones that are still indeterminant, the ones to be promoted, and the ones that have failed. I save the list of promoted ones in the FA promotion archive, the failed ones in the archive, and on the FAC I replace the entire nom set with the indeterminant ones.
  3. I copy the succesful noms onto goings-on
  4. I merge the promoted set with the list of featured articles
  5. I update the count.

The merging into the FA list and the count updating could be done entirely automatically. Gimmebot, as Gimmetrow just said, does require supervision, though, so fully automating it would be a bad idea. Raul654 05:04, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How could merging into the FA list be entirely automatic? They are listed in categories on WP:FA.
Most of the source of non-automation comes from dealing with the article talk page. It would be possible to split the FAC discussion tagging from the talk page updating, but that would create other problems. I should note that the last batch, which was quite short (and almost all promotions take less work), still took 10 minutes for the bot. Frankly, I don't really see a problem here with this "window" - it always existed when people did the job. Perhaps, if all this info were metadata that editors could not edit, the bot could be fully automated. There would still need to be some lag to allow for human error closing a discussion. Gimmetrow 05:33, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How could merging into the FA list be entirely automatic? They are listed in categories on WP:FA. - I envision it as a command-line bot which takes the location of a file. That file is formatted something like articlename catname [optional alphabetizing parameter, if it's not the first one] The alphabetizing parameter indicates which word to alphabetize with. Raul654 05:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the window Rick speaks of used to be on the order of minutes for some articles (the time it took for me to go from archiving all the FAC noms to tagging the promoted ones) and hours/days for others (I left doing the failed ones to BoG and later Sandy). Now, they are all going to take hours. Raul654 05:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Btw, gimmetrow - are you aware the rate limit for bots has been increased to 15 per minute? Raul654 05:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Creation of that job file isn't automatic. It could be done while the nomination is in process, but it strikes me as yet more work. As for the rate limit, yes I know it has been increased.
If the window is such a problem, you could go back to changing fac->featured, and I'll have the bot check for the featured template again. You wouldn't need to update project assessments, though, as the bot could still catch any that were not at FA when it updated articlehistory. Gimmetrow 05:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's a lot less work for me to create a file containing the names of promoted articles (which I already do anyway) and their categories than it is for me to do a alphabetized merge between a list of 10-20 and a list of 1000.
As far as the window, I'm not all that concerned. I think it's something people will learn to live with. Raul654 05:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
About the "window" - as it stands there's a distinct window between the time Mark decides to promote an article (and does his thing) and when the FAC page is closed. This window allows additional comments to be added to the FAC page that aren't considered in Mark's decision, aren't responded to, and end up in the "closed" version of the FAC page (for one example, see Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Jenna_Jameson - look at the timestamps related to Mark's promotion decision, my comments, and the closing of the FAC). Doing this manually, I'd close the FAC pages first, then move the transclusions around (and closing the FACs is a pain, so that's not how it's currently done). What I'm suggesting is that Mark run a tool (bot) that closes the FACs, moves the transclusions, and does whatever else can be automated, all in one step. There's always a window between Mark's decision and additional comments, but artificially increasing this (by having the FAC closure be done by a bot run at some random interval after Mark makes his decision) doesn't seem like the best way to do this. -- Rick Block (talk) 05:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, another person has asked over at User talk:GimmeBot about having the bot add the article template with the star. Perhaps you would like to respond to this one? Gimmetrow 22:29, 23 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm. What's going on here? Do we need a policy on what's hidden and what's not? I can see a well-meaning editor renominating Talk:Jane Fonda for GA. Also I thought the display:none hack was rather discouraged? Gimmetrow 07:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, and then there's these. Not surprising I suppose. A scan for this brought to light that FA Premier League and MDAC have been renamed, so perhaps the link from WP:FA should be updated? Also found one featured list using {{featured article}}, and a bunch of user pages. The question was asked at Template_talk:Featured_article#False_usage what to do about these. Gimmetrow 07:29, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Saw you tidied up Talk:Jupiter. In addition to the approach at Talk:Jane Fonda, there's yet another approach being used at Talk:Queen (band), see Template:Small templates created a few days ago. Gimmetrow 19:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About the template, see [5] - I like that the template hides everything, but I think it might go a bit too far. I'm also concerned about balkanizing the way we do it.
I have been against template:featured article since day one. It's redundant, and it violates the principle of separating articles from metadata. That's why I won't do it, and I don't think a bot should either. In fact, I would prefer it was deleted today, but I suspect I'm probably in the minority in that.
I'll look at Queen in a bit. Raul654 19:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't going to have the bot add the FA template, but for other reasons. Anyway, I've already done some organizing on Queen. Mostly pointing out yet another technology with a hide/show box for talk page templates. Oh, you might get a laugh out of Talk:Galileo Galilei - I rather like it how it is so I'm not changing that one. Gimmetrow 19:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That talk page is absurd. Ridiculous. And, actually, the FAOL's are starting to irritate me to no end. When the FAOL template was created, it was EXPLICITLY to be removed when an article was promoted to FA. And yet, there it is. Raul654 20:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Also, what have you heard about the WPCD and 0.5/0.7 templates being merged into a single smaller template? If this isn't done soon, I think we should consider putting the functionality into the ArticleHistory template. Raul654 20:09, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Would only take a couple of lines of code to remove FAOL on promoted articles. The interwiki links identify FAs, which an editor likely to use a foreign text probably knows. I mentioned V0.5 weeks ago. The template would have to be programmed, and it would add more than a couple lines of code to the bot. Unless someone else is going to write the bot to handle the CD templates, this project needs some sort of limit. Perhaps after {{featured}} and {{formerFA2}} are obsolete, the CD templates can be considered. Gimmetrow 21:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've added the couple lines of code to remove FAOL for future promoted articles. Also, was thinking, is there a good reason for the FFA/GA combo status in ArticleHistory? It can be avoided. Gimmetrow 04:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I thought we added it so that the count at FFA could be verified? If we remove it, I won't be able to track FFA tally vs. cat. Unless I'm missing something. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:49, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Sound/list

re: Wikipedia:Sound/list

all the music is CC, as any music, even that in the public domain, requires some kind of a license. So, even a public domain work can have creative commons license, just one that dedicates it to the public domain.

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/


therefore, it should be titled CC only, with PD being the only determinant that music has dedicated to be PD. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.35.119.54 (talk) 06:12, 24 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, music copyright is complicated that way (e.g, that the music can have one copyright status and the performance another). The licenses column there indicates the most restrictive of the set. Therefore, if both the performance and the music itself is public domain (typically because the copyright on the recording has expired), the licenses column indicates it is public domain. It is incorrect then to say all the music listed on that page is in the public domain. Raul654 18:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Main page requests

I don’t know weather you’ve noticed but the main page request page currently has four sports articles all with request dates within a week of each other. Bill Russell (March 12th) Cricket World Cup (March 13th) Chelsea F.C. (March 14th) Sydney Roosters (March 18th) I assume therefore that only one (if any) of these requests will be successful. Buc 09:52, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Buc, how could you forget to mention the 10th anniversary of Buffy (March 10 2007). I first mentioned it on Wikiedpia when I was getting the Buffy the Vampire Slayer article featured on 5 October, but added it to the requests page in January. Here's the original mention (from the (1st nomination).
ADDITIONAL: I forgot to mention, that my hoping was that if this article becomes featured, that it might appear on the front page on March 10 2007. That date marks the 10th anniversary. There won't be another date as important to the series until March 10 2017, and humanity might have destroyed itself by then! -- Paxomen 18:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
'Syndney Roosters' is the only other article which has a rounded date:
Sydney Roosters (Request for 18th or 19th of March) = will commence its 100th season on Monday the 19th of March.
Other requests around mid March are non-rounded anniversaries which come around every year:
Act of Independence of Lithuania (Request for March 11) = 89th anniversary
Bill Russell (Request March 12) = apparently the day that commemorates the day his jersey was retired by the Celtics franchise, but this date is not mentioned in the article
Cricket World Cup (Request for March 13) = Opening day of the tournament
Chelsea F.C. (Request for 14 March) = 105th anniversary of founding
-- Paxomen 14:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a sports article and has nothing to do with what I was saying Buc 08:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I didn't realise you were just talking about sports articles - opps, but it was spelt as 'spots' :) -- Paxomen 18:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Block of User:71.31.47.77

Hi! I'm confused - why did you hardblock User:71.31.47.77 for a month after one edit and only a {{test}} warning? Your block reason was just "vandalism", but there must be something more to it to warrant a one month block... --Tango 16:57, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like you've missed my question, so I'm just posting here so you get notified again. Thanks! --Tango 18:00, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, I guess I overreacted a bit. I really don't like people vandalizing my artilces ;) Raul654 18:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Just a bit... I strongly suggest you follow standard policy with your blocks in future... (And I'm sure I don't need to remind you of WP:OWN ;)). I assume you're going to unblock the address now? --Tango

I've just reviewed some more of your recent blocks. I suggest you take another look at:

And that's after only a quick check of your most recent blocks. You do understand our blocking policies, don't you? We warn IP addresses at least once, normally multiple times, and we issue short blocks unless they've already received recent blocks. IP addresses are often dynamic, meaning multiple unconnected users can use the same IP address meaning a long block is more likely to affect innocent editors than the guilty one. We also assume good faith - a single edit blanking a page is assumed to be a test, not vandalism. --Tango 18:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Several of those blocks were issued against IPs vandalizing the main page featured article, which it is generlaly acknowledged is an exception to the standard rules about warning prior to blocking. Raul654 18:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For 24 hours, maybe. Not for a week or month, as you've blocked in those cases. There is no point blocking IP addresses for that long unless you know it's a static IP. Surely you know that? --Tango 18:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I wouldn't count 2 out of 4 as several. --Tango 18:30, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


If you use reverse DNS on them, you'll see that 3 of the 4 of those were static or essentially static (chagning once every few months):

  • 129.67.128.222 - Oxford University computing center - static
  • 67.173.128.146 - Comcast Cable modem - virtually static
  • 68.220.23.234 - BellSouth ADSL - virtually static
  • 72.254.8.200 - STSN general holdings - unknown Raul654 21:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
3 out of 4? And yet I see you haven't unblocked the 4th... I'm seriously concerned about your inability to respect policy, so I'm going to WP:AN/I - I suggest you explain yourself over there. --Tango 20:03, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chicago Bears main page image

Thank you for putting it on the main page but I'm puzzled by your choise of image as it's not free use and there are free use images in the article. Buc 08:02, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


It's a point that I considered at length. Yes, there are two free pictures (Image:Bears 1924.jpg, a 1924 team picture and Image:SoliderFieldAug2004.jpg, a picture of an nondescript wall at Soldier Field II). However, neither of these are illustrative -- if you took away the caption, nobody would have any clue what the featured article was. That left only copyrighted, fair use images. I picked the one I felt was most illustrative (although the helmet was also something I considered).

If somebody changes it, I won't edit war over it, but I don't think any of those other pictures are particularly illustrative. Raul654 19:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whats up again

You put a block on our small company's IP without any understandable explanation. I think this may have been a mistake. Can you please look into your actions and consider lifting them? Thanks. I am referring to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:208.57.149.253 I wrote to you last week but did not see any acknowledgement from your actions.

Test a VIDEO

Could you test to see if a VIDEO I uploaded in Segway works for you? I have some people tell me it does, and others NOT. I am confused. It works on my PC with Windows. "Segway in a 4th of July parade." Thanks. I'll check back here for an answer. --Doug talk 19:49, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It works fine, assuming one has the right software, which most Windows systems don’t have. Have people who are having problems with this video read Wikipedia:Media help (Ogg). —xyzzyn 20:11, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
What he said Raul654 07:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! That's the answer!! The ones that have the proper software, it works just fine. Great.... Thanks for help. I'll make sure these others that are having problems install this additional software. --Doug talk 20:48, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction

I noticed you said the following on AN/I: "Deleting large chunks of cited material from an article is vandalism (or, in the most optimistic light, very POV editing). Raul654 23:19, 26 February 2007 (UTC)" This is exactly what the EK1 case was about, if you recall, although I was not as radical as you, because I don't consider such deletions to necessarily be vandalism, or even POV editing. It appears that you have been condemning me for ages for acting against something that you yourself condemn even more harshly than I do. What am I supposed to think about this? As an arb, would you now be willing to reconsider EK1 in light of this viewpoint? Everyking 10:38, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You make an interesting comparison. However, the two are not quite analogous. The difference in this case is that the anon was deleting sourced material that was highly relevant to the subject of the article (he basically deleted half of the 'alleged bias' section from the O'Reilly's article. As anyone who has ever heard O'Reilly speak can attest, he's extremely biased). The people you were in a dispute with were deleting, well, trivial information (week-by-week album sales in Canada, 'etc). There is a disinction between relavant and trivial information, as is illustrated in Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information Raul654 18:40, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
"Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information" does not cover any of the kinds of things the dispute was over; look at the list yourself. The dispute was over far more important information than week-by-week album sales in Canada, anyway; during the dispute I was amenable to removing genuinely trivial and redundant things, and indeed, I had already trimmed the article significantly during and following the FAC, before the dispute even started. They were, on the contrary, deleting huge chunks of information, sometimes up to whole sections of the article, including things like short summaries of the reviews the album received from The New York Times and other indisputably notable sources, information about the making of the album, about individual songs, about album promotion...at the most extreme phase of all this deletionism, which occurred when I was blocked, the article was reduced by about 80% and was barely more than a stub. I believe a dispute like that could never happen today; it was an anomaly even then, and I think the sort of radical deletionism that inspired that controversy—some of my opponents did not even think an album article should exist, and voted to delete the articles on the singles—is virtually extinct by now. Two years have passed since the dispute, during which the articles have contained a large majority of the information these people were trying to remove, and yet there has been no serious move to restart the controversy in all that time. Everyking 21:16, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FAC Question

Hi, Raul654. I work mostly in es.wiki and I have been reading how do you select FA (we use a completely different method and we are thinking in modifying it). The only think I can not find about the procedure followed in this wiki is ¿How do you select the FAC Director? ¿Do you have a link to the procedure or something alike? I am sure that you can answer these. Thanks Chabacano 21:01, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There's no easy answer to that question. Well, I sort-of fell into the role, so to speak.
In Feb 2004, when we switched over to the 4-pane main page style, the featured article was being changed hourly. I thought that was crazy, so I stepped in and started doing it myself every 24 hours. After a while, everyone was content to just sit back and let me do it. My position as FA director was [6] about 6 months later, after a troll revert-warred with me over a main page FAdecision I had made.
So there you have it, in a nutshell. There was no formal process, I ended up doing it, and people were happy with how I did it. The system has worked pretty well for 3 years now. Most of the time, it entails three parts:
  • Determining whether a particular objection is valid or not. This is especially common when a controversial nomination occurs.
  • Determining whether there is or is not consensus, or if an article has significant outstanding objections.
  • Picking the articles to appear on the main page.

Other, less common jobs I have done in my capacity as FA director are/were:

  • Setting up and maintaining FARC (although for the most part, Marskell and Joey have taken this upon themselves)
  • Determining and interpreting the FA criteria

I'm not sure if you are looking at someone whose only job will be to pick the main page featured articles, or for a more general job (as I have just described). Either way, my suggestion to you is that you find someone who is dedicated, and who has already been active in the process. Raul654 21:17, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, thanks for the detailed answer :) Sorry, I should have specified more, but I did not know all the roles of the director. My concern was about the consensus (as we are [too] used to vote). Very useful answer! Chabacano 00:11, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

how long will my IP be blocked

re: the block you put on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:208.57.149.253 Please reply this time.

That class B network (208.57.0.0-208.57.255.255) was used by Cplot to vandalize Wikipedia repeatedly. Anonomyous editing and account creation is disabled. You, however, are not blocked (as your message on this page indicates). Raul654 01:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't you think it is a little excessive/ridiculous? You have blocked the anonymous IP of a company of adults to chase your nemisis? Let me guess, you voted for Bush. Please let me know where/how I can take steps to resolve this. This kind of crap is melting away my admiration for wikipedia.

Kiarostami: FAC/ask for a favor

Dear Raul654,

I nominated Abbas Kiarostami for FA assessment. I will be moving to another country soon and I will be busy with packing, changing my flats etc. FAC page asks us to be online and active in responding comments. I've done it up to now but I am not sure I can continue this from this weekend onwards. Would that be possible that you invite a highly critical reviewer to review the article so that we can close it faster (either successful or unsuccessful)? It would be a great help to me. Thanks. Sangak 09:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just had the same problem; I'm blocked without a reason; or so I thought untill I started reading about some psycho Cplot who was using my IP; can someone help me with this problem; how do I clear my IP and free myself from Cplot?

CC: of comments to Luna regarding his defense of your block of our IP

Your comments on our discussion page suggest we go to a library or a friend's house to circumnavigate the block you put on our IP range. You put this massive block on to disrupt the vandals of spammers and the spam of vandals. But couldn't then those rogues take the same advice? And post their treason from libraries? You said it is too much work to un-block our valid,fixed IP from the blocked range. And you think it is not too much work for us to register from libraries. And yet you think it is too much work for cplot to do that. And you think all of this makes perfect sense and our appeal is not vaild. Do I have this right?

There is a free image that could be use to illustrate the featured article tomorrow for the chicago bears. I've put forward the suggestion in Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/March 2, 2007 Borisblue 00:53, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's OK, I found another free photo that is more illustrative, and put it in the template. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Borisblue (talk • contribs) 01:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]
MUCH better. Raul654 01:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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FA date

Hiya, I know that I may be jumping the gun here, but I wanted to check with you on a timing issue. I'm currently working on the Knights Templar article, pushing it through the various steps towards FA. It's definitely not there yet (it's still pending a GA nomination at the moment), but I'm going to keep pushing. If/when it *does* make FA, its clear "anniversary date" as far as showing up on the front page, would be October 13th, since it was exactly 700 years ago, on October 13, 1307 when King Philip IV of France simultaneously had many Templars arrested and tortured.

Anyway, do you think it's a reasonable thing, to shoot for getting Knights Templar to FA status in time for an October 13, 2007 showing on the 700-year anniversary? Or is that being wildly optimistic in terms of how long it takes to get an article to FA status?

Any advice appreciated, Elonka 03:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jenna Jameson took 6 months, and I was slow. 8 months should be more than enough time. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 17:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with AnonEMouse - you can usually get an article up to FA status in a week if you work hard. Raul654 17:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Graph of number of FA in English wiki

Dear Raul654

I added a graph to Wikipedia:Featured article statistics. Sangak 10:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's not really necessarily - one of the German wikipedians keeps a pair of updated graphs - image:De-en-exzellent-anzahl.png and image:De-en-exzellent-anteil.png. The former is the absolute count, and the latter is the proportion. Raul654 17:31, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PS - I have updated the page as such. Raul654 17:34, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Fine! Thanks. Sangak 20:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Collingwood

Hello Raul654, could I be impertinent enough to draw your attention to Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Paul Collingwood where hopefully you'll find a community consensus to promote the article to featured status. If you feel more needs to be done, then please don't hesitate to let me know. All the very best, The Rambling Man 13:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A few of us at WP:CRICKET have worked really hard over the past couple of weeks to promote this article, the intention to be to raise its profile before the 2007 Cricket World Cup in a week or so. We'd like to continue and encourage this kind of group collaboration so if you could give us your opinion on the article and the consensus thusfar achieved, the project would be extremely grateful! Cheers. The Rambling Man 18:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
All good, many thanks for your time and effort! The Rambling Man 19:52, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ID

Could you maybe give me a head's up on the talk page a day or two before the article is featured(if you decide to actually put it on the mainpage). I expect that it will get a lot more vandalism and other problems than other topics. JoshuaZ 18:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User:SmithManly is usually very good about tagging talk-page articles with the main page date within a few hours of me scheduling them. I'll try to schedule it with enough lead time that you see his edit. Raul654 18:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
PS - I just looked at the article again. I don't really know what I'd use for a picture. Someone should give that some thought. Raul654 06:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"small"

Hello Raul, I was wondering why you undid my edit to Scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming. Since there's no objective criteria to decide when a number is "small" I don't see what purpose it serves to have that word in there, except to express a POV on the issue. Readers can simply count up the (overwhelming) number of scientists on one side of the issue and compare them to the (much smaller) number of scientists on the other side, and form their own opinions. Just because you or I have our own opinion on the relative merits of each side of the argument, that doesn't mean we should introduce that opinion into the wording of the article. I'd have similar (and probably stronger) objections if somebody had phrased it "a significant number" or something similar. I think "a number" is the most neutral way of putting it.

I'm heading home now, and don't want to have any activity on my work account's talk page anyway, so please respond here or on the talk page of my personal/home account. Thanks, --Ltbx.com 21:24, 1 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The "small" wording has been discussed at length. In short, saying that "number of scientists actively disagree with the second and third points" gives vastly more weight to the disagreement than actually exists. Raul654 07:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No it doesn't, it just reports the facts neutrally. Saying "a significant number" or "a considerable number" or "a substantial number" or something similar would be giving undue weight. Saying "a number" is entirely neutral and indisputable fact. I can only find a few mentions of the phrase on the talk page, and the longest thread involves the grammar of the phrase (is vs. are).
I'll suggest changing the wording to "a smaller number" since I think that preserves the character of the statement while still being objective (the number of scientists actively disagreeing is definitely smaller than those that agree with the mainstream view). My point isn't to add weight to the arguments of the anti-global warming folks, but just that "small" is a matter of opinion, not fact. It doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article, whatever the subject matter. --Xoom.org 15:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

April fools main page article

Hey Raul, think we desperately need help with the April fools main page article, theres 4 weeks left and I really doubt we're going to get the stubs that have been suggsted up to featured status in time. Have you got any ideas of good or A grade articles we could use? I'm more than happy to do a solo mission on it because interest seams to have been lost - just getting a stub up there isn't going to happen! Cheers RyanPostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 00:12, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If all else fails, use Toledo War - it's listed at WP:ODD and it's already FA. Gimmetrow 00:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I agree, but I was hoping for something slightly more original than that, I think the article should be more unbelievable RyanPostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 00:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking over the unusual articles list, and I found several that could be turned into FAs pretty quickly:

I didn't look through the list exhaustively, so there might be others. With the exception of Burn a million quid (for the reasons I noted), I'd be happy using any of these on the main page on April 1 Raul654 06:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I just snowballed the vote on the april fool featured article page and said we're going for Human penis size, this is fairly close to featured status already so its definately going to be possible to achieve, think this is the best bet RyanPostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 10:35, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

main page FA question

Hi, I have a couple questions about main page articles. Would there be any problems with this image being used on the main page? And second, would there be any chance of an episode article like Cape Feare (which is close to being promoted) making the main page? Thanks for the time, Scorpion 01:18, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To answer your first question - a show like the Simpsons isn't likely to have any free images available. So no, I wouldn't have any problems using that image.
As to your second question, the question of whether individual TV episodes should be on the main page -- I haven't made up my mind. Raul654 06:05, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
There are currently 2 (hopefully 3 soon enough) episode FAs and neither of them have made a request to be on the main page? -- Scorpion 06:15, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The house pilot has been requested for the main page and is slowly winding its way down the requests page. But as I said, I have not yet decided. Raul654 06:43, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How long does it normally take for the process to work? Some of the articles on the request page have been there for months. -- Scorpion 06:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It varies based on the article's subject. Some subjects shoot straight to the main page (math-related FAs, for example) while others take a while (war, video games, pop culture in general, etc). Raul654 06:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
On what basis would an article be rejected for the front page? -- Scorpion 06:52, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I decide that on an article-by-article basis. I said I wouldn't feature Wikipedia as the main page FA because it was too self-aggrandizing. Out of the current set of featured articles, I'm concerned Jenna Jamison might be too risqué, and that individual TV shows (the house Pilot is currently an FA) might be too... uh... trivial? I'm not ruling them out, I'm saying that at this point, I am undecided about them. Raul654 06:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Alright then, thanks for the help. -- Scorpion 07:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


'Buffy' on March 10

Hi Raul, I noticed Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 10, 2007, and that the article 'Mini Moke' is currently in that slot. Is there any possibility that the 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' article could be used in this slot instead? That date is exactly ten years since the Buffy series first aired, and there will not be another date as significant for the series until March 10, 2017. I got the 'Buffy' article featured several months back so that it might have a shot at making it onto the front page on this anniversary date, and it has continued to make minor improvements since. Could 'Mini Moke' be moved to any other date (e.g. March 11)? I noticed that the request for Mini Moke did not request any specific date. It was incredibly hard to make everyone happy about getting the article featured (see: original nomination, and then when this got too long the immediate start of a 2nd nom). The final result of such a long debate is a very high quality article. Having it on the front page at the right time would really mean a lot to me. -- Paxomen 04:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have done so. Raul654 05:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Big thanks. -- Paxomen 14:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where next?

I have (reluctantly) started a discussion of this at User_talk:Stephan_Schulz#RFC? William M. Connolley 09:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

March 11 FA

Hello, sorry to bother, but could you please switch featured article for March 11? WP:LITH wrote and promoted Act of Independence of Lithuania solely because we wanted to see this article on the front page on March 11, the day when in 1990 Lithuanian SSR declared independence from the Soviet Union. Thank you! Renata 15:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Chelsea F.C.

Is there any chance you could put Chelsea on the main on the 14th. With the cricket WC on the day before I know it seems illogical to have another sports article on. But this is the most sensible date to have it as it was the date they were founded. Buc 19:44, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to reject this request. I've already scheduled and rescheduled the FAs for that week three times, and the only way to fulfill this request (without compromising someone else's) is to have two sports articles back to back, and that's not something I am willing to do. Raul654 19:46, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kiarostami

Dear Raul654

Would you please take a look at Kiarostami FAC? Any comments? Thanks. Sangak Talk 20:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Free picture request on Commons

Hey, I saw your request for "A picture of the field of Aceldama" on commons. I was wondering whether this request was still active and if so whether you knew where this place was in Israel so I could try and fulfill it. Thanks, Yonatan (contribs/talk) 20:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's still active - I want that picture :)
It's near Jerusalem. The article Akeldama says "The Akeldama (Hakl-ed-damm) of to-day presents a large, square sepulchre, of which the southern half is excavated in the rock, the remainder being built of massive masonry. In the center stands a huge pillar, constructed partly of rough blocks and partly of polished stones. Much of its clay was taken away by Empress Helena and other prominent Christians, for sarcophagi. It lies on a narrow level terrace on the south face of the valley of Hinnom."
PS - I just noticed the Hinnom article has pictures, but I have no idea if those are Aceldama or not. Raul654 01:22, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ESB FAC

Hey, Raul. Currently Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back has 13 support votes and 2 opposes, both of which I've opposed (and of course, you have the final word). I was wondering if this could be promoted as it seems pretty much unanimous to me. :) The Filmaker 23:06, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]


how long will my IP be blocked

YOU blocked our IP. 208.57.149.253 Is this permanent? Please let me know before you get back to discussing the April Fools Page. -signed Jacquese

Disrepute

We earlier conversed about your comment elsewhere:

  • ..that would seem to me to be a violation of our ruling that people should not bring the project into disrepute.

Do you recall in what case that ruling was made? -Will Beback · † · 23:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Was this it? Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war#User pages -Will Beback · † · 23:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. So strictly speaking, I suppose I should have said "user pages" instead of people. Raul654 01:14, 3 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unblock 67.167.130.247

Please unblock 67.167.130.247. This person NEVER did anything wrong and HAS contributed productively and meaningfully. Blocking this person only HURTS wikipedia. Please unblock now. Why block THIS PERSON just because SOMEONE ELSE with a similar gateway ip was bad???????????

He tries to do good things to contribute to wikipedia(just look at the history of contributions!), but does not want register becasue of internet security and public network computer issues. You sensor him for NO REASON of HIS doing???????????

Is it tyranny, censorship, or a personal vendetta??????? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Unblockmenow (talk • contribs) 05:16, 3 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

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Fuzzy memory

As an arbitrator, you should have a good understanding of past cases or you shouldn't be talking about them (why does that sound familiar?). Wik wasn't permabanned for his user page "hit list"; he was permabanned for the vandalbot attack. Everyking 11:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, he was banned by Jimbo over the hitlist. He then gave Jimbo an ultimatum, and threatened the vandalbot attack. The ban became permanent after he carried through on his threat. Raul654 19:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I said, the permaban was for the vandalbot attack. I also don't recall him being banned by Jimbo over anything prior to that; he was the subject of an ArbCom penalty and then started up the vandalbot. The ban was certainly not permanent beforehand; I recall many people urging him to accept the penalty in good grace and return to editing before he launched the attack. Everyking 20:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since you've taken a stand on the issue of "hit lists", I should report that I have found another editor with a "hit list" (albeit a short one), User:Jtrainor. This user also has a user page full of nasty anti-Wikipedia comments. Perhaps something should be done? Everyking 12:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to WP:WIAFA

Raul, you'll notice I altered the WP:WIAFA page to point explicitly to Wikipedia:Attribution, the new policy, as the citation standard. I wanted to be bold and let people look at the page with the edit made. I'm damn tired of "where appropriate" and the debates surrounding it, but understand if you want to revert back pending more talk (though note we shouldn't point to WP:V any longer, as it's been superceded by ATT). Marskell 19:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Kiarostami

Hi Raul654

I've nominated Abbas Kiarostami (recently promoted to FA) for TFA. Thanks. Sangak Talk 19:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote in the TFA page, there is a big celebration event for Abbas Kiarostami from 1-19 March 2007. It would be interesting to have him on the first page. Take care. Sangak Talk 20:19, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding some blocks

Since you set a number of the Cplot rangeblocks (thank you, by the way), thought you might want to see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Time to release the Cplot blocks?. If you'd prefer off-wiki discussion, no problem by me. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:54, 4 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Spread-the-funny and-slighty-random-love day!

:) pschemp (talk) 00:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures and FAC possibilities

I was wondering if the pictures on either Irfan Pathan and Andrew Symonds are good enough for use on the Main Page for an FA? Blnguyen (bananabucket) 05:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Battle of Ceresole

Thanks! Kirill Lokshin 02:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Essjay

To be sure is this actually User:Essjay Picture can you provide some proof ? Did he identify himself to you ? Headphonos 02:57, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's not user:Essjay. It's user:Sj (as the caption on the subpage clearly says). And having stayed at Sj's house overnight following both the Boston meetup and Wikimania '06, I can say with some degree of certainty that he wasn't kidding me :) Raul654 03:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image use controversy at Wikinews

There is some question at en.wikinews.org as to who is the person pictured to the right in this image. The news story is Jimmy Wales asks Wikipedian to resign "his positions of trust" over nonexistent degrees. Can you shed some light on this photo from 2004?

Thanks. You can best reach me on my talk page. -Edbrown05 03:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

Could you move Talk:MDAC so it matches the article? The redirect has edits. Gimmetrow 04:16, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Raul654 04:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ref Desk, Printing classical art

You might want to take another look at a response[7] of yours on the misc. desk. Were you thinking "dots per square inch"?—eric 08:21, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete

I just read Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion#When_should_we_delete_a_redirect.3F and I am not sure why you deleted Speedy delete your rational "(content was: '#REDIRECT Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion' (and the only contributor was 'Jeepday'))" does not seem to be mentioned. The article has a history, and I for one find it helpful for finding the page it redirected to. As I see it pretty much everything under "avoid deleting such redirects if" applies here. Jeepday 04:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-namespace redirects are considered harmful and are to be shot on sight. The list of redirects to be deleted is at User:Interiot/cross-namespace redirects Raul654 04:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Odd. I was just looking at WP:FFA, and Wikipedia FAQ became a redlink. Didn't that have some edit history? And do you want the links on WP:FFA to go to the project pages now? Gimmetrow 05:41, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia FAQ was a redirect for over 5 years. Perhaps the FFA page should list Wikipedia:FAQ? Raul654 16:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll change that. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

FA and FFA bot counters

See note on Marskell's page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So you don't have to read the entire discussion (unless you already have :-), the long and short of it is that we are back to incrementing and decreasing the tallies directly on the pages, WP:FA and WP:FFA, just as we did before the bot business. Something was done with includeonly tags, so that the numbers are picked up in the other places that use them. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:37, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ugly but clever. Raul654 18:59, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of cross-namespace redirects

Hello. I noticed that you deleted the cross-namespace redirect NPOV. As far as I can tell there was no deletion debate. The page currently has thousands of incoming links which are now broken. Although I agree that cross-namespace redirects are generally bad, I have not seen a change in the speedy deletion policy regarding their deletion. Can you confirm whether or not a change in the redirect guideline or speedy deletion policy has been made? Thanks. Khatru2 09:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TFA Question

Hey Raul. I'm sure you get a lot of questions about 'Today's Featured Article', so I'll try to make this brief.

I was wondering whether the Gilberto Silva article could be scheduled for the front page this month. The 24th and 27th of March 2007 were the dates I was thinking of, because they are both days on which a huge number of international friendly soccer matches take place.[8] Brazil will play Chile and Ghana respectively, and Gilberto has been included in the squad for both games.[9] Since there are no other international related soccer pages on the request page, I think the article would be fittingly topical on either of those days.

I know the article is quite a recent addition to the Front Page queue, so if it's not possible, then that's obviously understandable. I will resist in saying how good a job you are doing with the front page stuff, since that might look like grovelling.

All the best, GilbertoSilvaFan 14:49, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Gilchrist

All done and some time since an oppose. We'd be grateful for speedy promotion, so it's ready in time for the (now) imminent World Cup. Thanks! --Dweller 16:13, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Inappropiate Buffy image?

Howdy, I noticed that the Buffy article features Image:Buffy The Vampire Slayer cast2.jpg as it's lead one on the front page. Whilst I understand it is always preferable to use free images when possible over fair use images, in this case I feel that Image:Buffy logo 0001.jpg is much better, and can be used with real justification (it has a convincing rationale for it's association with the article. The image Image:Buffy The Vampire Slayer cast2.jpg features many members of the cast, but significantly, it does not include the actress Sarah Michelle Gellar who plays the title role, Buffy Summers. Is there any possibility the images be switched so that the logo image is on the front page? -- Buffyverse 22:39, 9 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy-deleting redirects

Good evening, Raul654. Please be more careful about the redirects that you are deleting. Not only have a number of the recent ones not been valid speedy-deletion candidates, in at least one case I've found so far (here), you speedy-deleted a page which only recently received a clear keep consensus.

There is no consensus that cross-namespace redirects are speedy-deletion candidates except when from the mainspace to the user or Talk spaces. Redirects in and out of the Wikipedia space are individually discussed. Rossami (talk) 06:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Dien Bien Phu

Hi. I added a request for Battle of Dien Bien Phu on the TFA request page. You might want to take a look at the paragraph. :) — Deckiller 07:00, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for arbitration: "Bad"ministration

Just to let you know that I have begun a "Requests for arbitration: "Bad"ministration" in which you will be involved. This will include what I feel was an inappropriate comment and interpretation of policy again me.[10] --Iantresman 23:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Talkpage archiving

Just doing the rounds of talkpages previously archived by EssjayBot III. Just to let you know that Misza13 has created MiszaBot III to perform the same function. You can request this Bot's services at User:MiszaBot/Archive requests. WjBscribe 01:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thank you for fixing my FAC. It was my first nomination, and I didnt know what I was doing. Cman 19:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald Reagan

I know you're busy; this isn't urgent, but an IP and possibly one user only has registered four or five (the only) support votes at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ronald Reagan. A flagrant abuse, I'm tempted to remove the nom myself to put us out of its misery. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC) PS, wasn't there a sockpuppet a few months back doing similar? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Checking now. Raul654 19:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Replied by email. Raul654 19:50, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

General FA procedure

Raul,

I am in the FA pipeline with a pretty good candidate. You may even be aware of Campbell's Soup Cans given your role on WP. I was looking at next steps and saw the huge backlog and attempted to analyze the process and the evolution of wikipedia. My suggestion is not an attempt to usurp your power as I had no idea your directorship existed. I merely think that some productive researchers might get discouraged if there is not a procedural reason to explain why there articles keep getting passed over. My suggestion was an attempt to respond to that concern before it becomes my own. Please respond at my talk page or the WP:FAC talk page where you previously responded. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 20:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I run a much smaller but highly productive corner of wikipedia entirely by democratic process at CHICOTW. I think it works well. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 20:56, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
P.P.S. I just posted the stats about the exponentially growing list of promoted articles awaiting FA dates on the WP:FAC talk page. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 22:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's a bad idea on multiple levels: First, it's clear that you are attempting to radically change a process that you are patently unfamiliar with. You have, without any prior discussion, gone straight to a vote on it, which is not how we do things on Wikipedia. And you have not notified anyone involved in the FAC process of this proposal besides me. Your proposal makes no effort to address the previous proposals to move to a daily-voting regimen for the main page FA (I don't know where they are archived, but look up the contributions by User:Drbalaji md), or the numerous objections that were registered thereto.

Comment the user you directed me to above has no contributions since 2004-07-14. Discussion on the topic I am raising were discussions looking into a Crystal Ball at that time. Many topics are rejected out of hand because they are speculation. 3 years ago it was speculation that the FA procedure would be such a success that FAs would standards would continue to be raised and nonetheless FAs would eventually be produced at a rate of more than 30/month. Any discussion before 9 months ago was speculation. Now, we are at a time where the issue should be reconsidered. If wikipedia is going to grow and FAs grow in tandem, we need a process that will
  1. fairly accomodate an FA production rate of more than 30/month;
  2. fairly accomodate a large backlog of promoted FAs;
  3. fairly accomodate a continually increasing FA production rate;
  4. fairly include a desirable pool of selectors for main page FAs;
  5. be a positive experience for as many participants as possible (by introducing them to other articles, introducing them to new techniques such as wikitables, etc.);
  6. appease those whose hard work in the FA promotion process does not result in a main page FA.
  7. retain the integrity of WP:FA, WP:FAC, and WP:FAR.
  8. uphold the collaborative values of wikipedia (especially pursuit of betterment of the encyclopedia).
  9. ratain the support of the majority of those involved in the process and not just a select few trying to WP:OWN the process.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 17:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Furthermore, the proposal attempts to fix a non-problem. Having featured articels that have not appeared on the main page is a good thing. We WANT to produce featured articles faster than we can put them on the main page. This is a sign of a healthy FA production rate.

It's clear to me that this proposal is a non-starter. If it gets a consensus of FAC-goers (Sandy, Aloan, etc), I'll reconsider it, but that's just not going to happen. Raul654 22:33, 11 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It's snowing out :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
A voting system for the mainpage would generally favor pop-media articles. WP is already criticized for those, it doesn't need more of them to appear on the MP. Gimmetrow 00:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It seems you missed several of my points and I missed several of your points. I will thus respond point by point in hopes of achieving clarity.
you are attempting to change a process that you are patently unfamiliar with.
First, is patently a WP:AWW? That aside. Given my track record here your statement is consistent with my successes. I attempted to overhaul CHICOTW in December. I stumbled through a terrible (in terms of verifyable sources for improvement) first selection and little understanding of what would motivate people to help. Now, 3 months later it is better than it has ever been. Regardless, of whether I have full understanding of the process, the process is not flawless. Since it is not flawless it should be open for reconsideration of some sort.
You have, without any prior discussion, gone straight to a vote on it, which is not how we do things on Wikipedia
Many things are resolved on Wikipedia by vote and comment. In fact, both WP:FAC and WP:FLC procedures I am involved in now are resolved in such a manner. In addition, I am often involved in various WP:XFD that are resolved by vote.
you have not notified anyone involved in the FAC process of this proposal besides me
I have been discussing it on the WP:FAC talk page where you removed my notice of my proposal. I am not trying to sneak it by anyone.
Your proposal makes no effort to address the previous proposals to move to a daily-voting regimen for the main page FA
If any change were to occur, I would want it to meet with majority approval and address the majority of all reasonable concerns. I was not aware this had been propounded previously. When I can find prior discussions, I will consider them and incorporate them.
the proposal attempts to fix a non-problem. Having featured articels that have not appeared on the main page is a good thing. We WANT to produce featured articles faster than we can put them on the main page. This is a sign of a healthy FA production rate.
Your statement suggest that I am attempting to curtail production of FAs. The problem I am addressing is the backlog of FAs on Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests as shown by the chart on the proposal page. I.E., the number of FAs awaiting main page dates is growing exponentially. Basically, your response says we are happy we are producing many high quality articles. I am saying that we should also address the disappointing reprocussion of this success. I.E., that many FA class articles are hopelessly vying for main page status.
I project the list of articles awaiting FA dates will be in the neighborhood of 365 (a full year of FAs) by the end of the year. I also think it will more than double in the following year.
It's clear to me that this proposal is a non-starter. If it gets a consensus of FAC-goers (Sandy, Aloan, etc), I'll reconsider it, but that's just not going to happen.
It's clear to me is I believe a set of weasel words used to pass of a personal opinion as fact. Isn’t that in one of your list of dozens of rules somewhere. non-starter is I believe some other type of discouraged term on Wikipedia. These issues aside is it a new policy that a procedure is suppose to pass by an administrator and those he works closely with. I do realize you are well equipped with authority and cadres to squelch my proposal without due consideration. However, I am asking you to understand that the problem is not the successful production of quality articles, but the reprocussions of this success.
In answer to Gimmetrow a random procedure for main page voting might favor pop-media articles. My proposal would not. My proposal would favor articles of interest to those whose articles have been involved in the FAC procedure. I believe that the majority of voters under my proposal would be main page FA nominators and reviewers. I am unaware whether other main page voting procedures have used this type of method. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 07:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Tony, you've now brought this up in numerous places, and there is a page for the proposal; since many people follow Raul's talk page, why not confine your comments to the proposal page, so this discussion doesn't keep cropping up in numerous places on people's watchlists? In other words, please keep it off Raul's talk page. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:02, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I hope Raul will join us over there and chime in with his expertise. TonyTheTiger (talk/cont/bio) 20:01, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

User template

Is it OK to move a user-template from template to user space? (This one.) I left a note about a month ago asking the user to do it themselves, but nothing has happened. Gimmetrow 00:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If it's something on that one user is interested in, then yes, that's OK. Raul654 00:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's a template of the contributions of that one user. Could you delete the redirect? Gimmetrow 01:30, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sydney Roosters FP

Hey Raul,

I was just wondering if you could reconsider the listing of front page article for March 18th or 19th. I hope you don't take it like I'm whining about it, I'll accept the decision either way...its just that the Sydney Roosters will be celebrating their 100th season on the 18th of March. They are the first australian rugby league team to do so and it will be a momentus occasion. The people that have worked hard towards making the article FA status have been working within this time period to make it a frontpage article on this date a reality.

The article requested would be great if it could appear on the front page of wikipedia to coincide with this historic event, I also have major rugby league sites on standby to promote the front page when and if the Roosters make it on there.

I hope you can re-consider, this is a very rare event and it would be special if we could have this coincide with the 100th season.Sbryce858 06:41, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any way to revert the decision, its very important to our fans.Sbryce858 07:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll consider it. I've been requested by the primary author of the Ian Thorpe article to hold it until the 25th. So I'm debating whether or not to feature 2 cricket articles in 5 days (I don't think I will), as well as how many sports related FAs to have on the main page in a month. Raul654 18:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what this is about, but Thorpe is not a cricket article (he's a swimmer), and even if he was a cricketer, it would be best move it to the 25th to spread things out anyway. Grumpygrumpy 00:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My comment above (I'm debating whether or not to feature 2 cricket articles in 5 days (I don't think I will) means I am considering the request for the 18th (in place of Ian Thorpe, which I will be moving to the 25th per request of the author) but I probably won't replace Thorpe with a cricket article because I already featured World Cup of Cricket on the 13th, 5 days earlier. Raul654 00:49, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Raul, it would mean alot to the rugby league community if it could get front page on the 100 year anniversary. Keep up the good work. Sbryce858 20:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
FYI, the complaints about there being too much cricket on the main page have already started Raul654 09:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Barbarians! Grumpygrumpy 00:31, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is a rugby league article though, is there any way to get an 11th hour decision made on it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.231.10.208 (talk) 04:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Speedy Promotions?

Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Christ_Illusion, you gave a speedy promotion, with it being in FAC status only for 5 days. Don't you think before promoting an article to FA status you should atleast keep it in FAC status for 2 weeks. Just to get extra pair of eyes, to review the article and comment? --Parker007 07:28, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No - 5 days is the standard. There was nothing unusually fast about this promotion. Raul654 23:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ira-welkin block

I think that you blocked him for a little too long. While he was certainly doing something bad, he had no block log, and only did it twice. He definitely should have been blocked - but a month seems really excessive. I know it doesn't matter, since his block has ran out, but just saying, since this month block will probably affect him more than a 24 hour block or even a week block would. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:17, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not particularly sympathetic to Colbert-inspired vandals. Raul654 23:22, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

owner

are you the owner? Favi4et 20:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Gilchrist

Hey, not wishing to be annoying but since the Cricket World Cup starts tomorrow, could you consider elevating the above article to FA? We have 100% support (10 support, including 2 strong) besides one editor who has been inactive for five days (although his comments are always worthwhile and well-considered, so we acted on them and believe his concerns were all addressed on a point-by-point basis pretty much immediately). The FA nom can be found here. Thanks for your continued contributions to WP and the time and energy you put into the FA process. All the best The Rambling Man 21:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just wondered if you could have a look at Gilchrist sometime soon? Cheers! The Rambling Man 07:16, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm actually working on that right now, and I've already slated it to be promoted. Raul654 07:18, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Raul, much appreciated! The Rambling Man 08:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

TFA

Dear Raul654

I noticed that we have nearly 30 new Featured article each month. If this is the case, almost all of these articles must be featured on the main page, as there are 30 days in a month. I think the articles from non western countries (excluding india) are under represented on the first page. The number of articles about Non western countries (+ English speaking india and Japan) that reach FA status per month in quite low. Even these very few FAs do not seem to have any chance to be featured on the main page (unless they are extremely important like the article on Turkey). English wikipedia is an international collaborative project, while most wikipedias in other languages are not. I think we need to promote worldview in English wikipedia as much as possible. Thanks anyways. Take care. Sangak Talk 08:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We have a net of 30 new articles; but we actually promote closer to 40, of which 10 are being defeatured (and thus most of which have run on the main page). So in reality, we have closer to 40 new main-pageable FAs per month.
As far as non-Western topics - it's a concern, but there's really not a whole lot we can do about it. People write about what they are interested in, and you can't force them to write about something they are not interested in (--Raul's 3rd law) Raul654 08:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Image with Featured Article on main page, 14/3/2007

I have to say I question out of the images that appear in Same-sex marriage in Spain whether a little boy holding a homophobic banner, even if it is written in Spanish, is appropriate to have on the front page as the one linked to the article's box? The more relevant, if not more appropriate image, would be either the people celebrating at the Spanish Congress or pride revellers holding rainbow flags. Especially as rainbow flags are pretty much an internationally recognisable symbol for homosexuality/gay pride events, therefore the image bearing more reference to the content.

A main page image should convey the topic of the FA even if you took the all the rest of the text away. I was looking for an image that would, at a glance, convey "same sex marriage" and "Spain". A picture of a protester holding up the Spanish flag with the words "Marriage = Man + Woman" does that well. The article's other two images are too generic - by itself, Image:Same-sex marriage celebration Spain.jpg is utterly meaningless without a caption, while Image:Gay March celebrating 2005 Pride Day and Same-Sex Marriage Law in Spain.jpg (although slightly better than the congress pic) could be any gay-related march. Raul654 00:42, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

just for the record...

despite your characterization of it, my edit to Intelligent design is the removal of some of the blatent POV in the intro (which i have repeatedly justified in the talk page), and is not POV pushing. i realize that you do not agree, but i just want to clarify any mischaracterization about it immediately. best regards, Mark. r b-j 03:39, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Are are three differences between your version and Kenosis/my version:

  • The removal of Adam's wiki-text helpers (so as to make it easier to edit the article). This removal is detrimental.
baloney, it's clutter. but put it back if you want, that invisible clutter is not the real issue. POV in tone and insinuation for/against a particular side is. there are clear WP guidelines about that and your/Kenosis's version runs afoul of those guidelines. r b-j 03:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • (1st sentence) - your versons removes "is an argument for the existance of God"
    • I'm open to discussion on this point. Intelligent design says it is "an intelligent designer", at which point the intelligent desiger is either God or Aliens. If it's the latter, it's simply a matter of begging the question - who made the aliens? That's why nobody - not even the DI people - dispute this point.
of course they mean God, but they don't define ID as such. first, let people say who (or what) they are, and then if there is factual dispute of who they claim to be, then deconstruct it. deconstructing a claim before it is even made betrays the bias of the article. that, Mark, is truly what poisoning the well is. r b-j 03:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Your versions adds "Opponents claim this is a disguised strategy to reintroduce Creationism to the science classroom after being banned from state supported public education by the Edwards v. Aguillard ruling.
it's not misleading at all. you might claim it's not complete, and feel free to complete it (but i think the article does a pretty good job of it already). you are misrepresenting what i say (or type). r b-j 03:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

just FYI, i am clicking the unwatch tab. we can discuss this at Talk:Intelligent design, where it should be. regards, r b-j 20:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ArticleHistory

At this point {{featured}}, {{formerFA}}, and {{formerFA2}} are not transcluded in article talk pages. The replacement seems to be a magnet for vandalism though. Gimmetrow 05:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Def Jam: icon

Raul on def jam icon we have a problem on the discussion of def jam icon i wanted to know why weird al isnt in there but chewy told me to shut up and there was arguments and then Ac2565 said to me that


Now I see why Chewy said shut up. You are annoying and post stupid topics. This is not a talk page. Sorry Chewy for backing this guy up. Next time I will know better than to back up idiots.

so there was a problem. Favi4et 12:48, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

commons:Template:Motd

You might want to fix it. I've switched the main page to use commons:Template:Motd2 in the meantime. [[media:blah.ogg|[[blah]] is a blah.]] doesn't work properly if there's a linking in the description (like [[blah]]). Thanks, Yonatan talk 18:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You might also want to change Image:House large seal.gif to Image:House large seal.png in Wikipedia:Today's featured article/September 5, 2006 as the former is going to be deleted soon (it's a protected page). Yonatan (talk) 22:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re Apophenia

Well geeze, I could have told Klaus Conrad that! ;) --Monotonehell 04:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Categories versus lists

In discussing biota by country, and whether they should be lists or categories, a user mentioned that categories had been started because there were too many long lists. I notice you have the first post on the current WP:Categorization. Know anything about the reasoning behind implenting categories? Thanks. KP Botany 00:38, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A request from on old FAC contributor

I know its been a while since I've been a regular FAC contributor, but I have a request to make. I know there's probably a page to formally request this, but I can't find it. I have a friend in real life who has a lot of issues. Because his favorite movie is the Boondock Saints, could you please make it the FA for August 19th, which is his birthday? It's an FA, and if it still meets the mark, it would mean a lot to me, and my friend, if that were the day's FA. It would be a great gesture. Let me know. Either way, thanks a lot, not only for hearing my request, but for all of the work you do. RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 00:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

ArbCom activity

Hi. We have you listed as currently inactive for calculating the majority in pending ArbCom cases. I saw that today you offered proposals and voted in InShaneee. Please advise if you want us to move you back to active status in the other pending cases that are in the evidence or voting stages. Thanks, Newyorkbrad 01:17, 19 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Autoblock of 208.57.179.100

Hi, I had sent two emails back in February but haven't received a response regarding an autoblock of an IP. I've reproduced them below:

  • There's an IP (208.57.179.100) that was auto-blocked as being used by "Cplot", who's apparently a user who had been banned earlier in the year. I'm a registered Wikipedian & sometimes login from work; this happens to be the IP that comes up from my work address. Looking at the modifications made by 208.57.179.100, however, I don't think it ever had anything to do with Cplot...? Perhaps it was misidentified?
  • ...from looking at your page, it seems that you guys blocked the entire Class B subnet that "Cplot" was using, so that's where the block comes from. I believe that XO Communications sub-leases portions of the Class B from MPower, although I don't know how much. Can this be pared down to the appropriate class C subnet, for example?

And, actually, looking above, it seems that other people have also complained about the block of the Class B as well. Thanks in advance. --Diogenes00 00:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Final Fantasy VII reverts

Hey, you might want to keep a closer eye on your reverts; you did this three times reverting today's FA. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 01:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the first time I did that, I went back to an earlier version and reverted, but apparently that revert to a legitimate version got edit conflicted out by some damned anon blanking the article. After that, it wasn't too difficult for me to keep reverting to the same bad versoin. Raul654 01:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for catching my mistake. Raul654 01:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hehe. No problem. I was confused by all the edit conflicts I was getting. Easy to see what happened after looking at the history. --Onorem 01:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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