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Servers handling of URLs has died

Well, up until a few days ago, I would get to any article by simply putting in the address bar "www.wikipedia.com/[topic]" and it would work... However now it just displays this real dumb 404 error. It is pretty useless and it reduces some of the simplicity of working the site. (comment was from User:Floydian (Talk - moz.)

Are you sure that wasn't "www.wikipedia.com/wiki/[topic]", which should work? -- Jmabel | Talk 18:31, Feb 26, 2005 (UTC)
You need to put en.wikipedia.com/wiki/[topic] in your address bar. You have always need the wiki, but although using en instead of www was always correct, the handling of www changed about the beginning of this year. You also need to put underscores in if [topic] has spaces in it, eg en.wikipedia.com/wiki/Current_events. -gadfium 18:36, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Try .org instead! Noisy | Talk 10:35, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I know that now you need the /wiki part... But about a week ago I could do it without the /wiki
Its not really annoying to me as its 5 characters... However, it seems pointless that the backend couldn't just add that /wiki in the same way that it changes %20 to an underscore. - Floydian 22:37, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Of course, if you use Firefox, you only need to type wp [topic]. Smoddy (t) (e) 22:56, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)
That is incorrect - typing that will merely bring up the first hit on Google for wp [topic], which doesn't have to be Wikipedia.
wikipedia [topic] should work as you want, but only providing that the article exists and that it has been indexed by Google. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 00:55, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It does work. Not putting any article name goes to %s, which is a redirect to the main page. Any other phrase is automatically converted to the URL. I don't know where you got that Google stuff from – I am talking about in the main address bar... Smoddy (tgec) 16:49, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it has ended, and I find it severely annoying. Up until bouta week or so ago you could just type wikipedia.com/article. --Alterego 18:12, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

With IE, you can modify the registry to rewrite your URL for search engines - and the way Wikipedia works, it's a great thing to use the feature for. This can be done manually, or through TweakUI for XP. However, I would assume it will work on version of Windows with IE6, and possibly some earlier versions too. Haven't tested, though.
All you have to do is create a key in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchUrl. Name this key the same as the keyword you want to use (for example wp). In this key, set the standard value to the URL you want to use, typing %s instead of the variable part (for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%s for the English Wikipedia). Create additional string values to map special characters, such as space. If created through TweakUI, there will be four values by default: " "->"+", "%"->"%25", "&"->"%26" and "+"->"%2B". These should be created.
Regardless of which method you used (manually or TweakUI), change the first one to " "->"_" to allow articles with spaces in their names to show up properly. Once you're done, you can type wp [topic] in your address bar (substituting wp for the keyword you chose), and IE will take you straight to that article.
For those of you that use Firefox, I'm sure there's an extension or search engine wrapper somewhere, if you're not satisfied with the automatic Google search. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 16:44, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
For Firefox, you can define a bookmark like this: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%s", and assign it a keyword like wp. Then you type "wp article" in the address bar and off you go. Alfio 14:53, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

linking/integrating Wikipedia search results

Hello!

-I would like to create a search tool that sends a query to Wikipedia's integrated search (among other sites), and creates a single results page that integrates the results from the various sources (as links back to those sources, of course). Is this possible/allowed, and do you know if anything along these lines has been done? Any guidance you can offer is a big help.

Thanks in advance, Dieter

Well, for one thing, you will have to comply with the limitations on bots. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:23, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough -- I'm happy to do so. I wasn't talking about anything automated; this would be user-driven, where a person enters a search query on a website, the site in turn submits the search to a number of engines (including Wikipedia), and then shows the combined results on a page. Do you think this is possible/allowed? -- dieter.randolph | Talk
You might want to look into http://clusty.com - I know they mirror wikipedia content, and AFAIK their search is up a lot more than the local Wikipedia search. JesseW 01:59, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Category Intersection

Is there a way to perform the set intersection operation on two categories in wikipedia?

For example the page on Monkey Island is a member of the category '1990_computer_and_video_games'. It would be favourable to have such a page as a member of the categories '1990' and 'computer and video games'. The fact that the game is a video game from 1990 would be inplicit in it's membership of the two categories. If a user performs the set intersection operation on the two categories '1990' and 'computer and video games', a list of computer and video games from 1990 would be generated.

Also consider the page List_of_Irish_poets. If poets were categorised in the category 'poet', and Irish people were categories in the category 'Irish', by performing the set intersection of the categories 'poet' and 'Irish' a list of Irish poets would be dynamically generated.

This has been proposed before, and everyone agrees it would be a good idea, but there is no software support for it yet. I'm not sure where it is on the list of priorities. Does anyone know if there's a list of features to be added to MediaWiki with an indication of priority? I know about the Roadmap but it's so out of date as to be useless. Enhancement requests are supposed to go here, but that requires a login even to browse. This would appear to be Bug 1106 there.-gadfium 03:32, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Yes I did propose it before. But wikipedia does not goes where we simple editors volunteers want. It goes where the developers volunteers wants. It's sorta "great idea, do it". can you program in php? 'cause I don't.--Alexandre Van de Sande 20:20, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Although my time is limited, and I'm not (yet) an official "developer", I'm interested in looking into this. One big question that comes up is one of user interface. Exactly how will the user select the two categories to be intersected?
Of course, once we have the intersection of two categories, it will only lead to requests for more than two. And the union of any number of categories. And category subtraction (in A but not in B). And...?
So, anyone with user interface ideas (keep in mind that we want to maintain the MediaWiki look and feel), please contribute to meta:Category math. -Rholton 22:20, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

Smoothest way of tagging all articles

In advance of a more complex rating/metadata system, I'd like to start tagging all articles with one of 9 or 10 classification-tags, describing roughly its state of development. I want to do this in a way that automatically generates a list of articles in each class -- for instance, by using templates (via what-links-here) or categories (via the cat pages).

Putting a template in 100k articles is bad; hard on the server. How about having a category that contains 100k articles? How should one do this so that it is minimally stressful on the db? +sj + 23:27, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Generally, it is underirable to have more than 500 articles in a category – remember, the categories are generated, to a certain extent, on the fly, so it also puts a strain on the servers doing this too. What was it you were intending to do? Are you talking about grading the articles? Smoddy (t) (e) (g) 23:36, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

That's a terrible idea. Somebody would surely come along behind you and remove them. RickK 05:32, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

I think tagging the article development status is not good. Having stub and featured article tags is enough. There is, however, a related project on the german wiki de:Wikipedia:Personendaten, using metadata for biographies. This may be useful for database purposes. -- Chris 73 Talk 05:50, Mar 11, 2005 (UTC)

Tagging like this is a very bad idea. Much better to have a per article voting mechanism where those data would be stored separate from the article. --mav 21:06, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Chris 73. Stubs for "really needs work"; featured articles that are "great". Every other stage of development in between is too subjective, and some folks might take any label personally. I haven't seen 'em yet, but I'll bet there have already been nasty wars over stub tags. I support the status quo. --Xiong 18:26, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)

Can't find the category

The article Quinquagenarian is in categories stub and number-stub. I can see the template for num-stub but I can't see why it is listed for category stub. Can some look at this and spot it for me, please? RJFJR 03:36, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

It includes {{incomplete}}, which is a redirect to {{stub}}, which includes the category. JRM 03:48, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)

How to change article name

I just started an article for Denton Welch, but didn't capitalize his last name. Can I change this?

Golden Eternity

Yep, you can use the "move" tab on your screen to move the page to a new name. Just type the name correctly into the box at the bottom of the page. Joyous 04:43, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
Very new users cannot use the "move" tab, as a vandalism-reduction measure. The appropriate action for such a user, or anyone who finds the "move" functionality scary, is to request a move at wikipedia:Requested moves.
I note that the article Denton welch is currently under suspicion of being a copyright violation. You should follow the advice in the notice on the page before you request a move.-gadfium 05:05, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is it possible to have a comment associated with 'Move article'? This works well for edits. Bobblewik  (talk) 21:08, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Markup in galleries and image use on Commons

I have two questions:

  1. Can Wiki markup be used in the captions of images that are in gallery tags? I tried italicizing something and just got two pairs of apostrophes. Links work though.
  2. Is there any way to tell what articles on various language Wikipedias are using a certain image on Commons? Or does one have to go to each language that one is considering and run a search there?

Thanks! — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:50, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have two answers:
  1. No, it isn't. Right now it's using the mini-parser used for edit summaries. See bug 1015
  2. No, there isn't. I'd tell you to see bug 1394, but it's not terribly informative.
-- Cyrius|✎ 16:47, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, Cyrius, for that fast and helpful answer. Hope we can see them as future improvements then. — Knowledge Seeker দ 18:22, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is "E-mail this user" broken?

I'm wondering if the e-mail function on Wikipedia is actually working. I sent some messages to other users and to myself, but nothing got delivered—even tough I have correctly set my e-mail address in my preferences. Has anyone sucessfully sent an e-mail recently? --Plek 14:15, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Hmmm... Someone just sent me a test mail (thanks!) I guess that answers my question. Apparently WP is dropping emails to one's self, but is working normally for everything else. --Plek 16:50, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Instant Guaranteed Magic Fix for Server Performance Problems

Click this and put your money where your mouth is. --Xiong 19:41, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)

Nothing's instant when it comes to specing out and ordering big expensive servers. We've got money to spend on such things at the moment, although you're more than welcome to give more. -- Cyrius|✎ 20:07, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Bizarre screeshot/PNG bug

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I uploaded this screenshot and could not see it: only a blank spot on the page. When I linked to it in the project image gallery, I saw an empty frame of the appropriate size (144x144px). I assumed it was a WP problem and fooled around several times trying to re-upload the image. Clearing the browser cache, quitting, even rebooting,waiting several hours (hoping WP would get right) all had no effect.

Turns out it has nothing to do with WP; I cannot see the image (as I originally uploaded it) in my browser (Mozilla 1.2.1 for Macintosh OS 9.2.2) even when I open the file directly from my local hard drive. Oddly, I can see it with other browsers. (!) I took the screenshot with Ambrosia Snapz Pro 2.0.1, which seems to add some nasty kiss-of-death scrap of code to the image which is preserved through edits and saves in PNG format; I tried Adobe Photoshop 4.0.1 and GraphicConverter 4.0.8. Nor does it seem to matter which kind of interlace or prefiltering is used. (!!) However, saving into GIF works fine. (!!)

I finally hit on the idea of opening the bad file and copying the image out (cut-and-paste) into a new file; this takes the bitmap of the image while leaving the KoD nastiness behind. This laundered image file displays fine both locally and after upload to WP. (!!!)

Even more bizzare: Other screenshots taken with Snapz Pro and saved directly (presumably with the nasty bit included) show up fine in Mozilla; but it's not only this one image that gave me trouble, but three in a row, all similar, but slightly different. (!!!!)

I'm fortunate that it was my browser that had the bug; if I'd seen the screenshot I'd have charged straight ahead and it might be ages before a frustrated reader had reported not being able to see the image(s).

You may be able to explore this bug by looking at older versions of the upload using the page's history. Please let us know what you see.

Recommendation: Workaround this problem proactively: Open all screenshots in an editor, copy the entire image, and paste into a new ("virgin") file/window, then save in PNG format; then upload to WP.

--Xiong 19:52, 2005 Mar 13 (UTC)

Looking at the oldest file with sng, I can see it's a file with alpha channel, and also that all pixels are fully transparent. The most recent file does not have an alpha channel. Taking the oldest file and hand-converting all pixels to fully opaque made the image display correctly.
Some browsers are unable to correctly display transparent PNG files; all pixels are treated as fully opaque. Most modern browsers display them correctly, which results in a fully transparent graphic.
The image editors you used probably preserved the alpha channel. They probably have a function to remove it; doing so would also have fixed the problem (and resulted in a smaller file).
cesarb 20:55, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is search broken?

I haven't seen the in-house search facility for a long time. Is it broken? Bobblewik  (talk) 21:10, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It says Wikipedia search is disabled for performance reasons. You can search via Google or Yahoo! in the meantime. Just disabled because of load; perhaps it will come back when they have purchased new database servers. Thue | talk 21:32, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Now there is a funny thing. I have a mozilla search engine for wikipedia both in my home pc and my workplace mac. Sometimes, someplaces (i can't tell which exactly) i see the "search is disabled" warning other i just get e normal wikipedia search result. In any case, clicking the "Go" button always takes me where I really want (i want no search, I know wikipedia has all articles in the world). I wish that search thing for mozilla was just a "go to article" button.--Alexandre Van de Sande 20:26, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What would be more useful is if, instead of just displaying a page telling you search is disabled and giving you Google and Yahoo search boxes, is if it automatically redirected to Google (or Yahoo) search results. But i guess that violates some agreement with Yahoo!.

Rollup of section stubs

Curious: Do section stubs rollup anywhere? — Stevie is the man! Talk | Contrib 21:22, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • I, for one, have no idea what you mean by "rollup". -- Jmabel | Talk 21:26, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
    • Simple. Most stubs "rollup" into stub category pages that list all the stubs. — Stevie is the man! Talk | Contrib 21:29, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • In that case, no. The template doesn't have a category in it. --iMb~Mw 17:00, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Any WP constructs for showing and checking off todo lists?

I was just wondering if anyone has done any work with regards to showing their todo lists (perhaps on their user pages) in any special way. It would be nice if there were some kind of wiki construct that made doing this more usable and trackable, esp. from the sense of an encyclopedia-wide rollup of everyone's todo's. After all, if somebody wants to beat me to working on one of my todo's, so much the better. — Stevie is the man! Talk | Contrib 21:27, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:To-do list. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:04, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks! — Stevie is the man! Talk | Contrib 03:42, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Binary/Octet-Stream Error

Every once and a while I get Firefox 1.0 trying to download a page instead of displaying it. If I try again it usually works fine. Is this a Firefox bug or is Wikipedia's server glitching out? WhackaWhackaWoo 23:21, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Happens in Mozilla too so must be something to do with the Gecko engine. Started a few days ago and doesn't occur in IE or any other pages using Firefox/Mozilla. Andypasto 03:34, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki Installation goes nowhere

I return here in my quest to upgrade my PmWiki to a nice Mediawiki. Thanks everyone for the help.

I successfully went throught all steps of the installation process. In the end the install tutorial even said " installation succesfull, now visit your wiki!" But when I do visit the wiki nothing happens. I mean, really nothing, the page loads, stop and it seems I am still in the same page I was before. I tested in a pc (Firefox & ie) and a mac (safari & mozilla). Only safari did something different that was to give me the following error message: 

Safari can't open the page.
Safari can't open the page:
"http://www.wanderingabout.com/kiwi/index.php/Main_Page"
because it could not load any data from this location.


I am completely lost, any tip? If it helps, the only warning output was about my "register globals" being activated which seemed a minor security issue, and the information that the problem persisted even afetr I changed folder permissions (chmod) back o normal.. --Avsa 20:05, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You'll have better luck reaching people who can help you through mediawiki-l. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:32, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The server isn't returning any response for that page; this is typically a sign that the web server process handling that request has crashed, closing the connection. Crashing web servers indicate a bug either in Apache, in PHP, or in some PHP module (such as a caching/acceleration module), which might be triggered by some but not all PHP code. If you have access to Apache's error logs, that might or might not help you.
The PHPTAL template system used for the MonoBook skin in 1.3 has been implicated in triggering cache-module-related bugs for some people; you might try installing MediaWiki 1.4rc1 which uses a different template subsystem. If that doesn't improve things, post what information you can in mediawiki-l or see if anyone can help you in the #mediawiki channel on irc.freenode.net. --Brion 10:27, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

Can't access page

For some reason, starting Sunday I was unable to access the page List of features on the Moon. When I try to go there the browser just sits and cycles, but never times out or resolves the page. Any idea what's gone wrong? Thanks. — RJH 21:33, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Still can not get access even after the restart yesterday. — RJH 16:26, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • It works fine here. Have you given the old standbys (clearing cache and all those fun things) a try? --iMb~Mw 16:40, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
      • Yes it seems to work fine now. Whatever the hangup was must have cleared up. Thanks. — RJH 23:35, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
        • It does seem, though, that wikipedia in general is getting increasingly less robust. Errors are becoming more frequent and pages don't get created in a timely manner. Perhaps the database back-end is hitting the skids in terms of scalability? — RJH 20:28, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Persistent "Database error" trying to access talk page.

For the last several hours I've repeatedly tried and failed to access Wikipedia talk:What_is_a_featured_article, getting the page: 

Database error
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Internal error

Can anyone else access this page? Paul August ☎ 22:08, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

Works for me. Depending on your browser, you might have to push the 'shift' or 'ctrl' key along with the reload button to make it really reload. --Brion 22:52, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, now it works for me too. Paul August ☎ 04:28, Mar 16, 2005 (UTC)

phpbb/wikimedia integration

hi,

does anyone know of a way to integrate wikimedia with a phpbb user database?

thanks, will.

Move

I'd like to have Denton welch moved to Denton Welch. I put comment in discussion, but must not have done it correctly. --Golden Eternity 07:00, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

See Village pump#How to change article name.-gadfium 07:52, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Category recursion problem

Category:Notability and inclusion guidelines for WikiProjects seems to be a subcategory of itself, yet when I go to edit the category to remove its own name from its list of categories, it isn't listed as one of the categories that it is in.

Um... I think that parsed OK... Any ideas? Grutness|hello? 11:42, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It was probably created twice - an admin will have to delete it and recreate it, I think. --SPUI (talk) 11:58, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

A null edit fixed it. —Korath (Talk) 17:32, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

Unable to save result set

Hi,

I just got the following error when accessing the URL http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_computer_scientists&diff=prev&oldid=11152042. 

Warning: mysql_query(): Unable to save result set in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.4/includes/Database.php on line 324
Error in numRows(): MySQL server has gone away

Backtrace:

   * Database.php line 502 calls wfdebugdiebacktrace()
   * User.php line 452 calls databasemysql::numrows()
   * SkinTemplate.php line 254 calls user::getnewtalk()
   * OutputPage.php line 417 calls skinmonobook::outputpage()
   * OutputPage.php line 614 calls outputpage::output()
   * Database.php line 360 calls outputpage::databaseerror()
   * Database.php line 309 calls databasemysql::reportqueryerror()
   * Parser.php line 3005 calls databasemysql::query()
   * Parser.php line 195 calls parser::replacelinkholders()
   * OutputPage.php line 230 calls parser::parse()
   * DifferenceEngine.php line 147 calls outputpage::addwikitext()
   * Article.php line 709 calls differenceengine::showdiffpage()
   * index.php line 127 calls article::view()

--S.K. 15:20, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Stuff like this happens intermittently. Usually if you try again you'll be fine. -- Jmabel | Talk 23:13, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)

Count on Special:Contributions?

Can we get a count of contributions on the Special:Contributions page? Something like "showing 50 of 394 contributions" or something would be great.

Is there some easy of getting these data already?

Demi T/C 18:19, 2005 Mar 18 (UTC)

You can get a total count with Kate's tool, which is back up. (Huzzah!) —Korath (Talk) 02:47, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
This would be really useful to have on the contrib page. Hope it gets considered. Kaldari 21:30, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Do these two templates actually do anything? Their ostensible purpose is to provide the Googlebot, among others, with ready access to new pages, orphaned articles, and categories. However, all the links are of the form http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Newpages, rather than Special:Newpages, and Wikipedia's robots.txt file contains these lines:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /w/

so can a search engine that's behaving itself actually follow any of the links on these templates? —Charles P. (Mirv) 18:44, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is move page broken?

I'm trying to move the page imattocanna but the system tells me I'm not logged in every time I click the move link.

I've tried a couple of different browsers but it doesn't let me.

I know very new accounts can't move pages, but what constitutes very new? This account is several days old now - is the limit a week or what?


Cheers, AndyT

No, it's not broken, it's just switched off for new accounts thanks to a vandal who discovered that by page moves he can create a lot of work for admins to clean up the mess, much more than with any other kind of vandalism. Currently it is set to something like the latest 2% of accounts, but this may change without notice, even though it's likely that vandal knows very well about the internals of this site and probably reads the technical mailing list as well. Simply list the move you want to have done on Wikipedia:Requested moves. andy 16:12, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks - I'll do that. It would be good if there was a better error message though. I wasted a fair bit of time trying different things like checking my cookie rules, trying another browser etcetera. before I realized the fault probably wasn't on my end. Most of the documentation just assumes it'll work so it takes a while to figure out there's a new user restriction. --Lordpixel 16:35, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The messages are at Mediawiki:Movenologin and Mediawiki:Movenologintext if someone with the power to do so is willing to clarify them. —Korath (Talk) 19:22, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)


ca & es wiktionaty SITENAME

Could somebody change the template names {{SITENAME}} of ca.wiktionary and es.wiktionary?

The requests are:

  • ES: Wiktionary -> Wikcionario
  • CA: Wiktionary -> Viccionari

Thanks. Llull 21:47, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Enter multiple redirects in a single operation?

In my experience, it is often quite difficult to find things that are in Wikipedia.

The most recent actual example of this occurred just last week. I happened to be emceeing a performance of our barbershop chapter at an event called Irish Night, and for a song introduction i wanted to say something about the legendary giant of Irish folklore, Finn McCoul.

After searching in Wikipedia on Finn McCoul, Fin McCoul, Finn MacCoul, and Finn M'Coul, I gave up, Googled for Finn McCoul, and found what I wanted elsewhere on the web. I found it hard to believe we didn't have anything about the legendary giant of Irish folklore, but that seemed to be the case, so today I started to compose a stub.

When I checked to see that I had linked properly to Giant's Causeway, I noticed that Giant's Causeway links to "the giant Finn McCool (Finn McCool)" and that in turn led me to the article we indeed have.

Notice that Finn MacCumhaill itself is a redlink!

To make it link, the article pipes Finn MacCumhaill it to Finn McCool, [[Finn MacCumhaill|Finn McCool]] which redirects to Fionn mac Cumhail!

Now, apart from the question of whether the article should really be under Fionn mac Cumhail, 4550 hits, rather than Finn McCool 13000, the point is that I was utterly unable to find what I was looking for—because the string I was searching on, McCoul, simply does not appear in the article.

This is true even though the article has a section entitled "other names," which includes no less than 11 variations:

  1. Finn
  2. Finn mac Cool
  3. Finn mac Coul
  4. Finn mac Cumhail
  5. Finn mac Cumhal
  6. Finn McCool
  7. Fionn
  8. Fionn mac Cool
  9. Fionn mac Coul
  10. Fionn mac Cumhal
  11. Fionn mac Uail

Whoever constructed the list went through all of the likely variations on Cool/Coul/Cumhal/Cumhail/Cumhaill, but did not go through all the combinatorial ways of combining them with M', Mc, or Mac, with the result that strings such as McCoul do not appear anywhere in the text and are not found in a global search.

I have added redirects for all the specific spellings I had personally searched for—Fin McCoul, Finn McCoul, Finn MacCoul, and Finn M'Coul. It is, in fact, quite laborious to add four or five redirects. To adequately cover Finn McCoul, we'd need more like twenty or thirty of them. (I went through this once before, with Alexander de Seversky, where the various combinations of de Seversky, DeSeversky, and just-plain Seversky, together with the presence or absence of the middle initial P and/or the middle name Procofieff mean that there are easily half-a-dozen variations that are actually seen in use.

Now, I don't want to get into anything terribly high-tech or fancy-schmancy in the way of Soundex or fuzzy matching or synonymies or anything like that... but it seems to me that in the case of foreign names, it would be extremely helpful if there were a way to enter up to a couple of dozen terms on a single screen as a list, that would allow you to create redirects from all of them to the canonical form in a single operation.

I don't know whether that's the best answer. All I know is that as of today, the chances of missing an article that is actually in Wikipedia are really quite high. Dpbsmith (talk) 23:03, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

God mode monobook.js

After a lot of hesitation, I finally decided to publish a portion of the help scripts I use when RC patrolling. The part I am releasing is very simple: it is a piece of Javascript that emulates a sysop's [rollback] button. New links will appear on a user's Special:Contributions page, or when showing the most recent diff of an article's history, and clicking on them will revert the last modification. To benefit from it, put the following line in your monobook.js (or just copy the contents of this script, it is safer if you don't trust me, but you will not benefit from bugfixes): 

document.write('<SCRIPT SRC="http://sam.zoy.org/wikipedia/godmode-light.js"><\/SCRIPT>');

Of course it is only useful on wikis where you are not a sysop. I hope it can be useful to someone, at least to people who RC-patrol and are fed up with three-click reverts. It should be pretty safe and secure, but any comments or enhancements will be appreciated. Sam Hocevar 17:04, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You shouldn't have. Don't encourage people to revert.
Yes, yes, I know what you're saying: it's only a convenience, anyone could write this, you don't know who's already using something like this, etc. All true. I could have written something like this myself. Still, I'd like to believe there's a reason only admins are given the rollback button. Clearly it has little if anything to do with technical concerns. We might have a discussion on how (in)appropriate it is to restrict the ability to admins, that's fine; is there a particular point to opening the bottle and thrusting the genie in our faces like this? Is your "hesitation" written down somewhere? I'm not questioning your good intentions, mind you, but... hmmm. JRM 17:17, 2005 Mar 20 (UTC)
I would also advise everyone -- admin or not -- that "rollback" should be used with caution. It's an appropriate way to deal with outright vandalism, and borderline appropriate with anonymous newbie error, but because it doesn't allow you to write an edit summary, it is very blunt and does not lead to clarification in areas of honest disagreement. -- Jmabel | Talk 20:04, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
The particular point is to help RC patrolling. We have more and more vandals and we have people who are willing to help but do not want to go through the hassle of the adminship procedure. I thought it would be rather safe to post a tool that is both very helpful and incredibly less dangerous than pywikipediabot. Sam Hocevar 23:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Automated scripts using XMLHTTP like that are Wikipedia:Bots and should be subject to the same policy. Goplat 20:20, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If automated script are not allowed monobook.js should be disabled phe 23:06, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

This is not a bot, it just provides the user with a kind of macro control over normal http functions. No sense in treating it as a bot. It should be used with caution, but then again so should page move and the like. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 20:31, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Be happy : it will be 1 request to revert against 3 requests to server, when servers are slow it helps a lot. FoeNyx 22:53, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

In fact it does just as many requests as a three-click revert. It just does it automatically (and is a lot more error proof). Sam Hocevar 23:47, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This is useful for non-admins who do the occasional battle with vandals on RC. However, when used on an article that you are watching, it appears to take it off your watchlist. Is that expected or is it just me? - BanyanTree 19:40, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Ah, this is indeed a bug. I will try to fix it. Sam Hocevar 22:10, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This bug is now fixed. Sam Hocevar 19:52, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Cool. The rollback tool was basically the only reason I became an admin in the first place. I haven't tried yours. Does it just put a link somewhere you can click on? I'd love if the revert tool had a few different links I could click on which would both revert and automatically put the desired test/test2/etc. message on the anon user's page. - Omegatron 01:09, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
Yes, it just adds a new link. As for pre-recorded messages, that is an excellent idea. I will try to find some time to implement it. Sam Hocevar 19:52, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

When trying to rv anon vandals, I get Error: Talk is not the last editor! --Alterego 03:43, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

How do I edit a stub?

The corp-stub function introduces into a every page in which it is used a link to the word company - which, as you can see, leads to a disambig page, leading to many more links to the company disambig. So how do I fix this? Please respond on my talk page. Cheers. --BDAbramson 05:10, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Fixed. All I did was edit Template:corp-stub and replace the company link with company. — Stevie is the man! Talk | Contrib 11:30, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

User page redlinks

This irritates some people, and they will sometimes change a nonexistant userpage to a blank one so the links won't be red (I have done this once). Maybe a potential solution is to add a feature whereby nonexistant userpages automatically redirect to the user's talk page. [[User:Ingoolemo|User:Ingoolemo/Sig]] 19:46, 2005 Mar 23 (UTC)

I encourage people to do this; see User:Alphax/user-talk. User:Alphax/sig 05:09, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

changing attributions to articles

Hi, I have a new account, but I've been contributing occasional edits anonymously for some time, using several IP addresses on dialup.

I went to the page "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Changing_attribution_for_an_edit" and read the Procedures there but I am completely baffled as to how to enter my list of IP addresses used. Do I edit an existing subsection, or what? And where and how do I list multiple IP addresses? And why do I have to log out before entering them? Etc etc etc.

Kalimac

(Also, why is it that, though I am logged on - there's my username at the top of the web page - I don't get a name and timestamp like other posters in this topic do? This may be relevant to my experience trying to Move a page, which kept giving me an error message saying I needed to log on, even though I kept repeatedly logging on.)

type four tildes (~~~~) for a name and timestamp, thus: rbrwr± 20:58, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC). Moves are restricted for brand new accounts because they have been used as a sort of vandalism; this is a new feature, so the messages you get when you try might not have been honed into good shape yet. I have no idea at all about your main question. --rbrwr± 20:58, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The logging out business is so that you can help prove that you are the anonymous editor for whose work you are claiming credit, that's all. Yes, you want to make a new section for your own addresses. If you want to add it on by editing another section, that's fine too; as long as you add your own header, yours will automagically become a separate section whe you save. --iMb~Mw 21:42, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)
You are probably out of luck claiming edits done from a variety of IP addresses. In principle, it could be done, but only by a developer and they simply have more important things to do.
I would suggest that you mention on your user page articles where you have done significant work and wish some sort of recognition (you can even link a particular diff in the history of the article if you want to) and you might (might) want to drop by the talk pages of any articles you worked on heavily and say, "Hi, I'm the anon who did such-and-such, I have an account now." -- Jmabel | Talk 22:38, Mar 23, 2005 (UTC)

Lost History

Two pages which I have been involved in editing seem to have lost their histories. See:

Is this a known bug and how much of a problem is it? --Philip Baird Shearer 10:53, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

What's the best way to wikify family trees?

Is there a good wiki way of creating family trees in such a way that the family members can be clicked? For example, I've made a couple in Dream of the Red Chamber using ascii art, but the wiki source is a disgusting mess to edit and maintain. Any better ideas? Lupin 14:08, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Tipping the tree on its side and doing it with a wiki-table is probably your best bet right now. There are extensions being developed elsewhere which will allow direct entry of trees for all sorts of things (WikiTeX amongst others) but don't go holding your breath. --Phil | Talk 17:06, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)
This seems make the tree structure a lot harder to understand at a glance, unfortunately. Also I see no good way to distinguish between children and children-in-law with this method. Anyway, not a bad idea for simple trees! Lupin 02:25, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I couldn't resist. Here's my first attempt at a tree template: (calling template tree with parameters in Ahnentafel order, 1-15) {{tree|Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha|Ernest I von Saxe-Coburg-Gotha|Louise of Saxe-Coburg-Altenburg|Franz Friedrich of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld|Augusta von Reuss-Ebersdorf|August II of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg|Louise Charlotte of Mecklenburg|Ernst Friedrich of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld|Sophia Antonia of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel|Henry XXIV Reuss zu Ebersdorf|Karoline Ernestine zu Erbach-Schönberg|Ernst II of Saxe-Gotha|Maria Charlotte Amalie of Saxe-Meiningen|Friedrich Franz I of Mecklenburg-Schwerin|Louise of Saxe-Gotha}} produces:

Ernst Friedrich of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Franz Friedrich of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld
Sophia Antonia of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel
Ernest I von Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
Henry XXIV Reuss zu Ebersdorf
Augusta von Reuss-Ebersdorf
Karoline Ernestine zu Erbach-Schönberg
Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha
Ernst II of Saxe-Gotha
August II of Saxe-Gotha-Altenburg
Maria Charlotte Amalie of Saxe-Meiningen
Louise of Saxe-Coburg-Altenburg
Friedrich Franz I of Mecklenburg-Schwerin
Louise Charlotte of Mecklenburg
Louise of Saxe-Gotha
suggestions? - Nunh-huh 18:04, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This seems to be a binary tree template - what if there's more than one child? Lupin 02:25, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I think you're reading it backwards. It's showing Albert's ancestors, and therefore has to be binary (well, more or less). -- Cyrius|✎ 04:32, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Can the rendering be reversed, so that Albert appears on the right? That would be a more intuitive display. What about top-down, which would be the most natural?
Will this template work if we know more generations on one branch than on another? I guess the blanks could be filled with "unknown", or "-", or "?", or simply left blank. —Michael Z. 2005-03-25 06:47 Z
Here are some varieties. I don't know if there's a way to fix the spacing in the top-to-bottom/bottom-to-top ones when there are unknowns. Does someone know a way?

Template:Tree31

I don't know that left-to-right is any less intuitive than right-to-left, but bottom-to-top is clearly more intuitive than top-to-bottom. - Nunh-huh 15:19, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Simply because it follows the standard conventions for family trees, the penultimate table (ancestors above descendents) is the clear winner for me. It remains to see how a table could be used to effectively display more complex trees, eg involving multiple offspring, marriages and so on. I tried one fairly simple tree at User:Lupin/stone with a table and was not too pleased with the result. Lupin 16:03, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
FYI, both the bottom-to-top (that is, with the descendant at the bottom) and the left-to-right (descendant on the left, as in the original tree) are traditional. The former is more commonly seen in Europe, while the latter is more usual in America. Eugene van der Pijll 19:07, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Can I suggest that, once this discussion is done, these examples are moved to somewhere more permanent (e.g. wikipedia:family tree which can capture some of the possible ways of doing trees (and have existing stuff, like Image:SwabiaDukes.png and Family tree of the Greek gods as alternate approaches). Given that none of these options are entirely satisfactory, and the subject matter is one you'd expect to find a lot of in an encyclopedia, it might be in order to start thinking about what we might like a mediawiki family-tree extension to do. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 15:35, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The houses of Lancaster and York during the Wars of the Roses

None of the examples above look like family trees. While they might do for now, I think that what we really need is image map support, so that we can draw proper trees, like the one on the right, and still be able to click on a family member to go to their article. Gdr 19:51, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC)

How do they look if drawn without the borders? How about if each cell had a small "joining lines" graphic inserted above the name; this may also help widen tiny table cells.
Can MathML render a family tree? —Michael Z. 2005-03-25 20:16 Z
Rather than imagemaps I was hoping for somethink akin to easy timelines, where the syntax allowed one to define basic relationships (married, child, adopted, etc.). Then the extension would render that to whatever format. Possible formats would include a PNG with nicely rendered text like Muriel's examples (with imagemap links), a text-graph (like Family tree of the Greek gods) suitable for text browsers, one of the table types above, and later stuff like clickable SVGs. By representing the data in a more abstract form (family tree rather than imagemap) we can change the behavour, make improvements, and support new modes out output without having to change all the pages that use the syntax. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 00:10, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Ideally this would be done by some extension for this purpose that allows the logical relationships to be expressed, but the most practical thing in the short run is to use tables. For simple family trees, I like the first example above, because it's compact and clearly expresses the relationships. Families with extensive interbreeding are a rarer and more complicated case to deal with — in the short run good image-map support may be the most general, useful solution, since it can also be applied to many other problems (such as a clickable United States map linking to each state or a clickable periodic table). Deco 01:30, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Here is the family tree I did for House Baratheon: 


                   Steffon==+==? Eastermont
                            |
                   +--------+------------------+
                   |        |                  |
     Cersei==+===Robert  Stannis==+==Selyse  Renly
   Lannister |     |              | Florent 
             |     |              |
   +----+----+     +------+       |
   |    |    |     |      |       |  
Joffrey | Tommen  Mya   Edric  Shireen
     Myrcella    Stone  Storm

This works pretty well. The relationships are clear, and it is clickable. It can be scaled and printed, edited, and re-used. Within the current limitation, this scheme works better than most, and breaks down only for the really intricate trees like the Wars of the Roses or House Targaryen.

The biggest problem is really that it is ugly. The monospaced typeface is acceptable (and could be replaced by something less jarring than courier), but the worst thing are the lines and intersections. This could be remedied to some extent (and with minimal programming effort) if the software selected a correctly monospaced font for the Box Drawing range of Unicode characters, which are adequate for this purpose. Here's what that would look like: 

┌────┬┄┄┄┄┐
Bob    Paul    Mary

Problem is, I cannot convince the rendering engine to use the same typeface (and hence monospaced character width) for the entire construction, so the tree is impossible to line up. (Especially over browsers, skins, and sizes.) However, all that is needed is really to have the underlying software select the same font. I have tried to force that with CSS, but couldn't make it dance. 130.235.16.196 11:05, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have played around with the Box Drawing characters a bit more. On a Windows box under IE I can get the machine to select both the text and the Box Drawing characters from the same font (Courier New), provided I stay within a small (but useful) subset of the Box Drawing range (see Box Drawing for a list of characters supported by Windows codepage 40 or so). That way I can produce pretty good-looking trees. However, try as I might, I cannot convince the Mac to do the same, under Safari and Firefox it insist on selecting the Box Drawing characters from some other typeface (hard to tell which), resulting in a terribly aligned mess. The "Courier New" on my Mac doesn't even seem to have the Box Drawing range. Arbor 08:15, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Edit Interlock

I'm sure this is answered somewhere, but I haven't found it yet. So rather than drive down another street, I'm going to stop and ask directions. When two people want to edit the same article at the same time, what happens? Is the second person refused? (I've never seen this happen) Or does MediaWiki somehow merge the changes so that both people get what they expect? Or do we just get an error message when we try to save the edits? Shoaler 16:57, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki will first attempt to merge both edits, and if that fails it will then give the second person the "Edit Conflict" screen. -- Cyrius|✎ 17:04, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thank you! Shoaler 13:27, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

New articles not being reported on user contributions

Maybe this is a known bug, but I just now noticed that when I create a new article is created, unless it's a redirect or a move, it sometimes does not have the label "(New)" next to it on the Special:Contributions. For example, picking a random example from Recent Changes, see [1]. There should be a "(New)" label next to Jhumri Tilaiya and Koderma, no? Why isn't there one? —Lowellian (talk) 04:52, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

You can only see that if it's the only revision of the page. The table of current revisions has a "cur_is_new" flag that's set if it's a new page, but there's no corresponding flag in the old table, perhaps because it would have the unfortunate name "old_is_new". Goplat 04:13, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Major search bug

There is a BIG bug in the way search tersm are passed to google -- the underscore must be converted back to a space. Eg, search for "wolf spider". The wikipedia search disabled page gives you "wolf_spider", and hands this on to google when you click the button. Google doesn't like this; you get more results with "wolf spider". Please could a kind soul report this to the bugzilla, my email si still out. -- Tarquin 14:07, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia has an article called wolf spider so I tried "wolf bug" with the Go button and "wolf spider" with the Search button and both worked fine (no underscores anywhere)! Brianjd | Why restrict HTML? | 09:47, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
I also just tried typing in "wolf bug" and pressing ENTER, which also works fine. Brianjd | Why restrict HTML? | 09:48, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)

I use the classic skin and I get two "donations" links in the toolbox at the left. One is quite enough! Where should I report this minor bug? Lupin 16:55, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Have you got user stylesheets running? Have you tried switching skins, then switching back again? Cheers, Smoddy (tgeck) 17:23, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I tried switching to monobook and back to classic, and there are still two links. My toolbox on the left looks like this:
Main Page
Community portal
Current events
Recent changes
Random page
Help
Donations
My watchlist
My contributions 
--
View project page

Discuss this page
Page history
What links here
Related changes
--
Upload file
Special pages
Contact us
Donations
I'm not sure if I have a user stylesheet - I remember messing around with stylesheets a long time ago but have totally forgotten what I did or how to see what I did :) Lupin 17:37, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Switching to Classic view, I get a double donations listing as well. I have been through all the files I can think of (an it's a lot), but I cannot find why the two have both appeared. Sorry. Smoddy (tgeck) 23:17, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages

When a page has a link that refers you to a disambiguation page but the link can refer to a particular page already listed on the disambiguation page then should I go ahead and fix the link to bypass the disambiguation page? I hope I worded this correctly. Jaberwocky6669 08:40, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, you should fix links to disambiguation ("dab") pages so they skip the dab page and go straight to the appropriate page. Ideally, dab pages should have {{disambig}} (the disambiguation notice template) in them, which actually tells you this advice, but many of them don't. — Jeff Q (talk) 08:55, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Ahh, goodie, I already began to do this, but it occured to me that I may be causing a lot of confusion! Thank you. Jaberwocky6669 09:15, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

MySkin

When using MySkin, the pages use the following file as one of the stylesheets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Brianjd/myskin.css&action=raw&ctype=text/css

No matter what I put in User:Brianjd/myskin.css, the above address gives the same content - I think it's the same as MediaWiki:Monobook.css. This appears to be a massive bug. Brianjd | Why restrict HTML? | 09:44, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)

It's a caching issue, probably in your browser. User CSS files are given tags intended to make browsers reluctant to re-download them. Try clearing your browser's cache. -- Cyrius|✎ 13:24, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I just tried this on a school computer and it worked OK so I'll have to try clearing my browser's cache. Brianjd | Why restrict HTML? | 03:07, 2005 Mar 30 (UTC)

Archive policy

Can I put a notice that the archive policy applied at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Miscellaneous_archive also applies here? Currently, there does not seem to be a clear policy. If I don't get any objections within a week, I'll do it. JesseW 04:55, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi, I'd like to put a link to the current day's VFD listings (using the link [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/{{CURRENTYEAR}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}|Today's VFD entries]]. I use the CologneBlue skin. How do I go about doing this? Is it possible? Smoddy (tgeck) 10:50, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

See my js file for the general technique (it's for the classic skin, and adds links to the top). Where do you want the links to show up? —Korath (Talk) 18:34, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
What is the filename for the skin? I can't work out where to put it! (I don't know where cologne blue is, either...) Smoddy (tgeck) 18:54, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
OK, I have worked out where the file has to go. I'm afraid, though, that I have not the first idea how to add the stuff in with JS. I don't really care where it goes, but if it could go in the My pages section of #quickbar, that would be great. I can handle HTML, CSS, PHP and MySQL, but I have never managed JS. Cheers for any help, Smoddy (tgeck) 21:37, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
User:Korath/cologneblue.js does what you want. Mostly. It links to Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Log/Today instead of directly to the day page, since {{CURRENTYEAR}} and so on are already parsed long before the javascript kicks in. —Korath (Talk) 22:39, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)
Wonderful. That is exactly what I want. Thank you very much for the help. Smoddy (tgeck) 22:47, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

checkuser

On m:Special:Log/rights, I see a new "checkuser" right. This is not mentioned in Wikipedia:User access levels, nor in m:Help:User levels. Does anyone know anything about it, or where information about it might be found? —Charles P. (Mirv) 14:58, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It is a sockpuppet check feature for the arbcom. It is not active yet. [2] —Charles P. (Mirv) 18:23, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Two different 404 pages

When I type in a missing page name, I get a different result than when I click a red link. This is needlessly confusing for new users. Why shouldn't both ways of getting there yield the same results?

I think empty articles should always display the edit field, so I can just start typing. They should also have search, Wiktionary, and Commons links which appear on empty pages.

Actually there is also a third 404-style page - if you directly type in an URL to an article that doesn't exist, there is another page entirely. The one you get from clicking "Go" is useful because it has an "Index" link which lets you see all other articles with names alphabetically similar to the one you searched for. Very useful. But I see your point. - Mark 06:19, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Future dev

Does anyone know what is going to be added or changed in future MediaWiki versions? And when it is going to be done? Or where to discuss these things and have them noticed by the IMPs? Radiant_* 10:38, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)

A good place to ask is the #Mediawiki IRC channel. The developers tend to hang out there. - Mark 06:16, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Klingon is not Thai

The Klingon main page [3] is currently redirecting to the Thai main page [4]. Apparently it's resolving "tlh" to "th," although other articles like tlh:tlhIngan Hol work. can somebody fix it?

Eh, works for me. -- Cyrius|✎ 06:06, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The main page was changed to a redirect to the Thai wiki at some stage, in this diff: [5] — It has been corrected now. If you clear your browser cache by holding control then refreshing, it should work now. - Mark 06:12, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Template sigs (refresh - reply →)

I know using templates for signatures is bad, but what can be done about those that already exist? Alphax τεχ 15:04, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I used to have a template sig, and when I discovered that (and why) it wasn't a good idea, I did a search'n'replace on the popular pages I haunt (VP, helpdesk etc). I did my own talk page, but not others' (figuring they wouldn't welcome a "you have new messages" just for that). Frankly, you could just search for {{templatename|Alphax}} or whatever, and just change it to {{subst:templatename|Alphax}}. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 15:26, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Hrm... I've been doing this a bit since I discovered why they were bad, using Special:Whatlinkshere, and it seems like as good a time as any to refresh the {{anon}} tags on IP talk pages. (Oh, and I don't trust nowiki tags for braces, hashes or tildes. Too many bad experiences.) Alphax τεχ 16:47, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, I don't have new messages

Is anyone else getting this error: The "You have new messages" bar appears at the top of every Wikipedia page regardless of whether any message there are actually new? It's been happening to me since at least this morning. -- Antaeus Feldspar 22:46, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • The new messages are on your "user talk" page (reached by clicking the "my talk" link in the upper right hand corner of each page. (The message will go away once you visit your talk page until someone else edits it). RJFJR 01:21, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
  • Yes, a day or two ago I got the same "sticky" problem; it seems to be one of the interesting things that can happen when the system is sluggish. Editing your own talk page usually fixes it. -- John Fader (talk | contribs) 01:29, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • Ah! That works; thank you. (RJFJR, that is indeed how the talk page usually works; however, if you'd look at the header of this section you'd see that this has nothing to do with there being new messages on my user talk page, but rather that I am getting that message when there aren't. Next time, you may wish to check to see whether the person you're talking to has been a contributor for a long period of time and therefore would certainly know how a talk page is supposed to work.) -- Antaeus Feldspar 03:21, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Watchlist

My Watchlist causes server errors. What is going on? JFW | T@lk 01:30, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm having the same problem. No idea. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 05:07, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

duplicate content in articles

I've fixed several instances of massive duplication in articles in the past few days (most recently WP:HD which was duplicated twice, e.g. 4 times its normal size!). I've occasionally seen this in the past, but it seems to be happening much more often now. Anyone else noticing this? Perhaps a bug, or is there some user action that might be causing this? Other affected articles I've seen include Denver, Colorado, List of Celtic mythological beings, and WP:CFD. -- Rick Block 03:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've been noticing this has been happening more than usual as well. -- Cyrius|✎ 03:37, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
There always seem to be consecutive edits by the same user at the point where this happens. At a wild guess, could it be from trying to reload the submit page when it comes up with an error, even though the edit actually took? —Korath (Talk) 05:03, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)
That seems consistent with what I have seen. -- Cyrius|✎ 05:52, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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