Talk:Srebrenica

Neutrality

I dispute the neutrality of this article because:

It does not state/give any hint that the conclusion of a massacre is an opinion. Instead it presents the massacre as fact. Jitse_Niesen gives the reason "in the light of the ICTY convictions". However the neutrality of ICTY is questionable. Therefore I ask either to provide concrete facts or change this article appropriately so it conforms the policies of Wikipedia. --Arsenio 15:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Exactly what would need to happen for you to accept that the Srebrenica massacre is fact? The International criminal tribunal for the Former Yugoslavia and other international organizations all accept it as such. So do foreign governments. So does the government of the Republika Srpska sub-entity itself, which has come out with a detailed list of several thousand specific names. Add to this the mountains of evidence and detailed accounts. Honestly, what more needs to be done for the word "alleged" to stop hoovering around every mention of the well documented murder of thousands of elderly men, children, POWs, and regular civilians? I realize that many would like to think that the massacre is some propaganda or conspiracy, but to say, at this point, that it's just an "opinion" is little better than saying the same about the holocaust. Asim Led 23:55, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately I must tell you that I don't think there is such happening as to prove fundamentally the massacre with the executor solely as the Bosnian Serbs. The reports that are available to the public are simply too vague if it comes to autopsies. Personally I believe there was indeed a massacre, but that is not of importance in this context. The main point is that it is most likely not a massacre solely executed by Bosnian Serbs. So my suggestion is, instead of using the adjective "alleged", to remove for example "by Bosnian Serbs" and let the reader make his own picture reading the article "Srebrenica Massacre". The reliability of the institutions you have stated I am not going to comment now, except with the word "shady". --Arsenio 15:06, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

And if not the Bosnian Serb army, than who did commit the massacre? Asim Led 16:25, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Are you referring to the murders done by Naser Orić's forces? If so, that is not the Srebrenica massacre that is meant by this sentence in the text. The sentence refers to the massacre in July after the enclave was occupied. I've clarified both articles to say so. The Orić stuff, while apparently verified, did not happen at the same time (that was January or so) nor did it appear to have the same scope that we could call a "massacre" in the same manner the aforementioned event is called a "massacre" (at least not based on data from our articles). --Joy [shallot] 23:52, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Massacre

We need a separate page on the Srebrenica massacre. I know there is some controversy regarding the scale of the massacre, with some claiming that it didn't even happen. I don't agree with this view, but clearly we need an article which expands the circumstances of the massacre. Chadloder 20:19 Jan 26, 2003 (UTC)

I added the more detailed non-Serb accord of events now. It should be reasonably clear now. --Shallot 09:59, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

In the meantime, the info about the massacre was moved to its own page. --Shallot 11:36, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Asim Led's new page

This is a copyvio! Why am I having to fight revert battles over a copyvio?! Everyking 05:18, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

What's a copyvio? Copyviolation? Where did user Bosniak get the information? If this is the case I can write a better version by myself. This is not a "Mess" as you say, it is merely doing the same thing as the Jasenovac page. And this was not a "massacre of Bosnian soldiers", it's not as if it was a military battle. There was a good number of soldiers among them, but we're also dealing with boys and old men. Excpect detailed response and changes later.

Asim Led 00:10, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Do a Google search, he took it straight from Encarta. Everyking 06:49, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)