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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Redux (talk | contribs) at 05:35, 3 April 2005 (Thank you for the your kind words). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Hello, please feel free to leave comments or questions. Use the four tildes (~ ~ ~ ~, no spaces) if you want to receive a response.

Hi! You entered it as [http://deanforamerica2008.us/|Unoffical Website]. External links don't use the | character like a normal "piped" Wikilink you'd enter between double brackets. Rather, at the end of the external link, you leave a ''space'', then the text you want to show with it. (If you don't leave any text, it will give it a number like a footnote, the first occurance of such a link on a page being [1], etc.) Anyway, this system reads [http://deanforamerica2008.us/|Unoffical Website] as the url "http://deanforamerica2008.us/|Unoffical", and the title "Website". So I just fixed this, and called it "site" because Web is implied. Only now do I notice the typo in Unofficial - just fixed that too. By the way, to sign your user name and the date and time to a comment, use four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~. And to enter Wiki syntax like I've been doing here, without having it execute that function, just put it between <nowiki></nowiki> tags.

Thanks for adding the link. Cheers! Samaritan 21:49, 10 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • No problem Samaritan, I will be adding more shortly. Zscout370 23:24, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar banner & RAK Barnstar

For going the extra mile without being asked, I, Redux, hereby award you The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar. Congratulations! Redux 02:53, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving me a message and for your offer in my talk page, as well as for all your assistance in the Barnstar project. Indeed I often want to illustrate articles, but there's usually the "copyright hitch", as I call it. The best way around it is to create the images ourselves (when possible), but I've not quite mastered the techniques. I can merge images, but that's about it. And since we're involved in the creation of awards, you've been quite thoughtfull with me, so this one sounds more than appropriate. Thanks for all your help. Regards, Redux 02:53, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks Redux, I am honored (blushes and smiles). Zscout370 03:01, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It was my pleasure. You earned it! Redux 05:54, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Template:FOTW and Template:FOTWpic

Hi Zscout, I see you changed the Template:FOTW template I created to easily link to FOTW pages to a template serving a quite different purpose, explaining image use issues with FOTW. I've moved your image template to Template:FOTWpic while my link template is back at Template:FOTW.--Pharos 05:59, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. The FOTWpic template will appear more often in the next few days, but I am going to look through the pages and see if the flags come from FOTW or the CIA. But I should have seen if there was a FOTW template, and sorry for changing it. Zscout370 13:41, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Minnie

What's wrong with Minnie? :) Thanks. func(talk) 00:17, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

You asked for names that have double meanings. Minnie doesn't, unless it sounds like mini or something else. If so, I will put it back up. Zscout370 02:25, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

New award

I just wanted to thank you again for all the work in the National Merit award, as well as for reloading the image and adding it to the template board. I hope we'll get the opportunity to work together again (maybe even now, in the sportive award?). Now, let us celebrate the "birth" of Wikipedia's newest award! Your friend, Redux 03:21, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

No problem Redux. Sure, we can work together on the other awards. Also, how do you choose to celebrate the creation of this award? Zscout370 12:10, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the Barnstar! I'm honored! :)
And about the new award, the best thing we can do now is actually award it to someone. I've been looking into some articles, trying to find a user that has been contributing in such a fashion as to merit the award. As I see it, the best celebration of the work we've done would be to have other members of the community take an interest in what we have created. Regards, Redux 15:28, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Looks like 172 was a very good choice. I hope we can honor such great people more often. Zscout370 02:37, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Sportive award

Hi. First, sorry for creating so many new subcategories in your talk page, but I do in hopes to keep different topics separated, and thus make it easier to consult. This time, I'm writing about the sportive award that we were designing. Another user has proposed an image that is quite interesting (and free of copyright issues, apparently). So I was thinking we could choose between it and your design of the barnstar with the checkered flag motif. But since you last said that you were still working on it and would upload it later, I was in doubt as to whether you might have discarded the image (maybe it didn't turn out as you thought it would). But if you still have it, I was wondering if you could upload it and post it in the project talk page, so we could take a look at it. Thanks in advance. Regards, Redux 03:48, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Go ahead and choose the one that is already up there. I had the image, but I think I will let others draw barnstars;. Plus, I do not mind if you create many headings in my talk pages. I like things simple :). Zscout370 14:29, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Eagle Scout

You are right that compared with the population of the US, or indeed the world, the number of Eagle Scouts is fairly small. And I'm sure it's a matter of some pride to most Eagle scouts and their families and friends. But at a rate of 300 per day (about 10,000 per year, not 100,000) it's not really a rare occurrence. Even among Scouts, 1 in 25 acheive it, which is hardly rare. Rgds, Rich Farmbrough 00:51, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Rich, your right, my math is wrong. However, in some troops or even in some areas, Eagle Scouts are rare. Yet, in some troops, they produce Eagle Scouts left and right. I was in Troop 82 in MCAS Cherry Point, North Carolina, and from my time there, I saw about 7 or 8 Scouts, including myself, obtaining this rank. Two other Eagle Scouts graduated with me from high school 2004, and once we got the award, we were well known. I credit a lot of people, yet, I still think the number of Eagle Scouts are low in the country overall today. Also, I think the number of scouts have lowered in the past few years, so the ratio is smaller now than in the past. Zscout370 04:09, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Template:PD-user

Hi, Zach. Why did you change Template:PD-user? I'm sorry; I don't always understand how templates and namespaces work. But it looks like the images that were using it now all say "This image has been (or is hereby) released into the public domain by its creator, Image. This applies worldwide." (emphasis mine), instead of the user name like it was before. I don't want to change it back myself in case there's something else going on here that I don't understand. — Knowledge Seeker দ (talk) 07:52, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The template had {{{1}}}:{{{1}}}, which was an incorrect template. It was supposedly to stick the username's name in there. If you want to change the template, fine with me, yet, I am going to try and find a way to stick our Username in there. I think the only option is for each user who makes images for Wikipedia create their own tags/templates. Zscout370 13:21, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I've reverted your change. Correct usage is {{PD-user|Zscout370}}. Lupo 16:40, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Thanks Lupo. Zscout370 19:41, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)


In recognition...

In recognition of your persistent dedication to the community on Wikipedia_talk:Barnstars_on_Wikipedia, I hereby award you with the The Barnstar of Diligence – ClockworkSoul 20:59, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC) (KC)

In recognition of your persistent dedication to the community on Wikipedia_talk:Barnstars_on_Wikipedia, I hereby award you with the The Barnstar of Diligence – ClockworkSoul 20:59, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! Zscout370 21:06, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
And thanks for the thanks! – ClockworkSoul 21:52, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Thank You

Hi Zach. Thank you so very much for the BoNM award! :) I'm honored! And I must say it was a thrill to get that particular award, being that I was involved in its creation. I'll be displaying it in my user page, along with the Barnstar you gave me. Thanks a lot! Your friend, Redux 01:05, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Experts (from 172's talk)

(William M. Connolley 16:41, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)) I would be happy if wiki encouraged experts, and I do indeed decry the "disencouragement". I've experienced it myself. But what I was trying to point out was 172's hypocrisy: he wants to be taken for an expert, but won't accept the same elsewhere. I've read, with interest, Larry Sangers stuff on this; and the responses to it. I can see the difficulties. But 172 needs to be consistent.

If that is the case, then how can someone be "declared" as an "expert" on a given topic? That could be endless talk all by itself. Zscout370 16:53, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

(William M. Connolley 18:00, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)) I felt we were trespassing on 172's talk page with tis so I've moved to here. First let me clarify some stuff: I'm an expert on climate modelling, though I don't use that much, theres just a link to my work page from my user page. And I get a lot of grief from skeptics on the climate related pages. But the structure of wiki means I cannot use my credentials. Now my particular problem with 172 is that he *is* leaning on people saying I-am-an-expert, defer to me - yet he was acting totally against that on the global warming page.

Now onto your question: I guess the problem of verification is one (but probably not the main) reason why there is no "expert" system. Its not insoluble though: identities can be verified with no great trouble. You can verify mine, if you want to. The main "problem" is that there is no agreement that we want to use experts in this way (rather than just relying on the quality of their edits to shine through). Indeed, from the various discussions I've seen, there is a majority to the no-priv-to-experts view. There may well be good reasons for wiki to do this - at the moment, I am agnostic. But certainly, a large number of experts will be put off editing wiki when their edits can be reverted by the ignorant and/or malicious (no I'm not thinking of anyone in particular here).

I do not mind if you moved the talk at all. Thanks for the head's up. Your right, we could use our expertiese on certain are. My subject areas are flags, and other than that, I just draw images for this site. Maybe we can discuss with the other Wikipedians about why we think this way, yet, there are some souls that we cannot move to our side. FYI, I am also agnostic. Zscout370 18:24, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I think the central idea is that everything should be documented sufficiently that an interested reader can come along and understand why a thing is a certain way, or else the description is insufficient. This would be the ideal end result of a system without verified experts, since the only input of expertise comes in the form of documentation and acceptable explanation of the reasons for a thing, rather than from the authority of the editors. — Cortonin | Talk 23:55, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Well, as long as we are not arrogant with it and as long this knowledge is used to benefit everyone who contributes and anyone who visits Wikipedia, I am happy to share it to world. Zscout370 00:43, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)
(William M. Connolley 14:05, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)) As usual I disagree with Cortonin. Not that everything should be documented - thats fine - but that this amounts to the solution to the problems. It isn't. Just look at greenhouse effect (check hist and talk) :-(

Flag of Russia

I noticed that you uploaded a version of the flag of Russia where the proportions are 5 to 3. But aren't the correct proportions 3 to 2 instead? That's what I see in several sources like [1] and [2] and [3] and several other places. Aris Katsaris 14:13, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks Aris. I will redraw the image as soon as I can, not only fixing the proportions, but also to have a slight outline to it, so the white can be easily seen. Zscout370 17:31, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Flag of the Soviet Union

Question, do you think there should be better images for the Soviet flag page? I personally think the hammer and sickles are too small for the flag.

Yes, the images could have been larger, but unfortunately one of them is originally small, and scaling up, e.g., to 300px makes hammmer/sickle ugly.

I also think we could stick the RSFSR and the 14 SSR flags on one page.

But they already are, aren't they? At Flags of the Soviet Republics there are all 15 of them. Or did you mean to add the USSR flag there? 01:57, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I modified an image of one of the SSR flags so I could make the USSR flag. The flag size is 300x600 pixels. I could modify the Soviet Republic flag page so I can add some tables, make it more presentable. While I am at it, do you think the image of the Russian Federation flag ok? Zscout370 02:19, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Flag of the Netherlands

I reverted your edit to the Dutch flag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Netherlands_flag_large.png).

Please! Be careful when editing something sensitive such as a national flag!

The Dutch flag is not just "Red, White and Blue", it is "Vermillion red, White and Cobalt blue". The colours I have specified on the image page (and which were used by the person uploading a slightly larger image) are the official colours. The official government document states: 

   De kleur rood moet zijn helder vermiljoen met de trichromatische coördinaten X=17,2; Y=9,0 en Z=2,6.
   De kleur blauw moet zijn kobaltblauw met de trichromatische coördinaten X=7,8; Y=6,8 en Z=26,7.

If I made a mistake in calculating the RGB Hex colour values, then an edit would be in order. Otherwise, these are the colours that should be used for the flag of the Netherlands.

(you probably meant no disrespect, but unless you are very positive about your changes, national emblems are best left to those that can read the corresponding national directives regarding the appereance of these.)

Out of curiousity; why did you replace the previous version? JeroenHoek 13:59, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I have been going around and trying to fit images into the 300 pixel height range. I also changed the colors to that listed on the World Flag Database. If you feel that these colors are correct, then I will certainly use them, but will you give me to change the image size, if needed? The height will be 300 pixels, yet, I do not know if the ratio is 2:3 or 3:5. If it is 2:3, then it will be 300x450 pixels. If it is 3:5, then it is 300x500 pixels. There is no mistake about your measurements of the RGB hex values. I am not offended at all, and I do not mean to disrespect you or the Dutch people. I had people ask me before about flag changes before, mainly that of Russia. Thanks for pointing it out. To let you know too, I actually have a Dutch flag that was made there, and I can check the ratio of the flag to make the new image, if needed. Zscout370 14:48, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The correct ratio is 2:3. Why would you want to change all flags to a 300px hoist? If 300px is preferred policy then feel free to use this image, (made by myself, Public Domain etc.): ([4])
Of course SVG would be even better, but until Wikipedia is ready for that.. :)
The World Flag Database (The FOTW site right?) seems to have a lot of extensive data, but for a lot of flags the colours seem randomly picked.. Most countries have their national flag's colours documented, but for most of the time this will be in the country's native language. JeroenHoek 15:38, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The reason I am changing the images so they are 300 pixels high because if that is the stanard size Wikipedia wants the images to be in, then that is what I will draw. The World Flag Database is separate from the Flags of the World website, yet, most of the information is shared. The FOTW website has a problem with colours, since we have little information about official colors. I can upload the image you mentioned, yet, I will still credit you for making the image. If there is anything else you want me to do, just ask. Zscout370 16:03, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've uploaded the 300px version. Thank you for your understanding. :) JeroenHoek 23:47, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
  • My pleasure. I am glad we could work this out and I am willing to work with you again on anything you need. Zscout370 01:19, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Flag of Western Sahara

===>Issue: I've mentioned this at Gallery of national flags' Talk page, but I figured I would post it here, too. Where did you get your information about the Western Saharan flag flying differently than other national flags? I've seen several pictures of this flag, and I've never noticed it flying backwards - it's possible the inverse design is different (the crescent and triangle facing the opposite way) on the inverse, of course... Justin (koavf) 16:57, Mar 17, 2005 (UTC)

Kovaf, I do not believe that I even reported information about the facing of the flag. The main issues that I was trying to dicuss at the talk page was to change the galley to include only national flags and a few other exceptions (Holy See, Taiwan). I am also trying to redraw several flags and seeing what else I could do flag wise for yall. Zscout370 17:27, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

300 pixel hoist

Hi, as far as I can figure out, the long ago decision to use a 300 pixel hoist was from when before MediaWiki knew how to resize images (correct me if this is wrong). Therefore, there is no reason now not to use high resolution images, if possible, and specify size in the imgage tag on pages which need specific sizes. Unless this is wrong, and there is an ongoing policy to use 300 pixels, please don't replace the US flag picture. There are some 29-30 of them, anyway, (see Flag of the United States#Historical star patterns), and changing them all to 300 pixels high would be 1. a terribly tragic loss of several high resolution images, and 2. a lot of work.

My personal opinion is that all the flags should be of some reasonably standard large size (maybe 1000 pixels high? or 800, as this one is?) Especially for complicated flags with animals, etc (like Mexico for example), a larger size would be nice. --jacobolus (t) 05:40, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Ok, I will not mess with it. If you feel like it should stay the way it is for the US flag, that is fine. However, with the recent problems with Wikipedia and some image files, I think the entire community needs to figure out of this standard should still exist or not. Zscout370 15:20, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

A possible project

Hi Zachary - I've found a stub article that you'd probably have a good chance of enlarging: Flag Day! :) Grutness|hello? 09:28, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • James, take a peek and see what you think. I know it is far from complete, at least the definitions and explainations are done. Zscout370 14:42, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Looks quite a bit better. Can you think of any other countries that have specific flag days? I couldn't, but there probably are some. Grutness|hello? 00:04, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Edward Mooney has a website called Flag Days, and we could have a link to there from Wikipedia. The list we have is fine right now, then, we can get rid of this stub. Zscout370 02:00, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Small World, Isn't It?

I read that you're from Havelock. I've been down there while visiting my mom who lives in New Bern. The coolest thing down there is seeing the Harrier in front of Cherry Point MCAS. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:14, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

  • Yes, it surely is. I actually live on Cherry Point, and I see the "Airplane on the Stick" everyday from the Havelock Craven Community College campus. Zscout370 18:34, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

VfD

VfD voting is supposed to last for 5 days from the date the article is listed. RickK 20:00, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

  • Ok, thanks. I take it now that particular vote is closed now? Zscout370 20:03, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)
    • It should be. It should just be up to an admin to close it and determine the results. RickK 23:10, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
      • For that particular page, I think it is close on being gone, but I just hope it will not become an edit war. Zscout370 00:52, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikithanks

Please, do not use my wikithanks images as a barnstar. It was specifically done NOT to be used as such, but only to be a little thing to stick on user talk page. I am greatly opposed to the barnstar system, and I feel great pain to see my picture transformed to precisely become what I wanted to oppose.

There are many barnstar pictures, please use them and do not use my little wikithanks to do this. Please.

Anthere

  • I thank you for your concern, however, I wish to point out that the WikiThanks is in a section of "Other Awards." Wikipedia:Barnstars_on_Wikipedia#Other_awards There are some who keep them on the talk pages, some who put it on their front page. I have not put thw WikiThanks on my front page since I did not get one, however, I gave people a WikiThanks before. My suggestion is to talk about this on the BarnStar award page's talk section and we can see what we can do there. Zscout370 14:16, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

No problem; happy to help. I blocked him for 24 hours, so hopefully he will lose interest. — Knowledge Seeker দ 20:05, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I noticed he did this to other pages, and this image was used before for the vandalism. Zscout370 20:10, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)

User:JesusHadBetterBeInYourHeart

Ok, you decided to take the bold step to vandalize my pages. I wish to warn you, and the others who are watching, to do not pull this stuff on me again. Just like with this user, I will make sure you will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. Thank you. Zscout370 01:44, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Table flag

Hi Zachary - yeah, sorry about that :) The story so far: I went in to get a table flag last week, but they were out of stock (there was some form of hold-up in supplies over Easter). I've ordered one; hopefully new supplies should be in any day. Grutness|hello?

How to be an image sleuth

It's easy! You just say you are one, and you are. ;) Seriously, we can use the help, so just jump right in. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 03:02, Apr 3, 2005 (UTC)

  • Alrighty, I will try to add myself to the list first thing tomorrow (my time). After that, I will try to set up my signature just like yours. Zscout370 03:07, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the your kind words

Hi Zach. Thank you so very much for your thoughtfulness. I deeply appreciate your words. You see, you are indeed a worthy recipient of the RAoK Barnstar. Your friend, Redux 05:35, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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